Jason Quick is an idiot

[Blaze01]

Jason Quick on the radio this AM, comments that POR needs to turn the page on Oden...says the team will not (should not?) give him a qualifying offer (arond $9mil).


Really?


Yeah, let's go through all of the bullshit that has been the Greg Oden injury circus parade, and then cap it off by letting him walk for NOTHING...let another team sign him and god forbid he blows up or even comes back as a respectable player on another team....to slap POR mgmt and fans in the face every time they see him with another jersey on....


No fucking way you let that happen...


I don't know if he will ever play agin....He is only 22 years old however, plenty of years to come back, if he chooses to do so....To let him walk for nothing would be asinine at this point....This is exactly why Quick should stick to his fucking day job, and stop playing sunday morning GM....and another thing, so what if the qualifying offer is $9 million, it is not like this team will be under the cap anytime soon will it? You really think Paul Allen is going to flinch at paying $9 million for one year to see how this sad play finishes out?

I don't....nor should he, the team has suffered long in regards to Oden, no reason not to suffer another year, the alternative is just not palatable...not to POR fans, and certainly not to POR mgmt...


One more thing, I do believe that this team has to rebuild, start it over....

So what if you scrap your way into the playoffs as a 7th\8th seed to be playoff fodder?...big fucking deal....

This team has some players that would have value to other teams namely Camby, Przybilla (specifically his contract), Miller (same as Przybilla)...Use those players and contracts to stockpile as many young players and picks as you can...You don't get a do over here (see Raef LaFrentz)...

What would you as fans ( or Allen as an owner) rather have? A team on the margin of the playoffs with ZERO chance of winning a title? Or a team that misses the playoffs for a few years (a distinct possibility to occur anyway) and rebuilds through draft\trades while starting this process over?

That is big league sports people...if you aren't on your way up (building towards a title run), then you need to be in full rebuilding mode...The sooner the Blazers come to grip with that reality, as it certainly stands now...the closer they will get to actually competing (let alone winning) an NBA title....

Shouldn't this news regarding Oden, along with the news about Roy make it clear what POR needs to be focused on from here on out? I mean can anyone say Roy will live up to his max deal? More likely he is a max-priced shadow of his former self? and no team will take him, not until the last year of his mega contract....

Rebuild...There is not other viable (or realistic) alternative....

 

[HailBlazers]

I agree with your sentiment. Cho is a genius, I have hope he will do the right thing, ignore the pundits and fragile Blazer fans, to look long term

 

[RR7]

So you want to rebuild, and while rebuilding, spend 9 million dollars one someone who will likely not play for us. And then you mock Quick for offering his opinion. Ok.

 

[maxiep]

Nice post. In decision making, you don't make decisions in the heat of the moment if you help it. We have months to decide whether or not to offer the QO. There's no reason to make that decision now.

 

[maxiep]

So you want to rebuild, and while rebuilding, spend 9 million dollars one someone who will likely not play for us. And then you mock Quick for offering his opinion. Ok.

We've wasted more money on players with much less upside.

 

[RR7]

I don't want to get rid of him either. I also don't see rebuilding, though.

 

[maxiep]

I don't want to get rid of him either. I also don't see rebuilding, though.

It's not like its a choice. Our plan was built on creaky knees. No plan survives first contact with the enemy, so we'll just have to adjust.

 

[Blaze01]

So you want to rebuild, and while rebuilding, spend 9 million dollars one someone who will likely not play for us. And then you mock Quick for offering his opinion. Ok.

Eventually I think the team will have to rebuild, yes

I didn't say $9 million a year for five years did I? I stated that you cover your bases and sign him to a 1yr qualifier of $9 million...

This team is not going to miraculously get under the cap and dump all salary in 1 year....sorry, not going to happen...

Having Roy at max alone, with his knees....makes him near untradeable IMO....

You give Oden the qualifier to protect yourself, see how the rehab goes, remember his 22 years old...and chances are if he does come back from it, positively, then you would likely be able to resign him for pretty cheap I would wager...

Now if another team offers him a 4-5 year deal (highly unlikely IMO) well then that is another story....


This team as constructed is just not an NBA title contending team, and if you believe that is the case, and I do, then the sooner you start to move pieces around (Canby, Miller, Przybilla) around to rebuild, the better off the team will be...


two seperate issues I was commenting on in my OP...

 

[tlongII]

I agree we need to give Oden a QO and then match anything within reason that he gets as a RFA. I'm not so sure about the rebuilding part. I'd like to see how this season plays out. I don't want to dump contracts just for the sake of dumping them.

 

[Draco]

If we gave Wesley Matthews $35 million to play off our bench we can give Greg $9 million to see how one extra year goes.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

I give Oden the QO depending on what our doctor's recommend.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I give Oden the QO depending on what our doctor's recommend.

I would do exactly the opposite of what our doctor's recommend

 

[Ed O]

I agree we need to give Oden a QO and then match anything within reason that he gets as a RFA. I'm not so sure about the rebuilding part. I'd like to see how this season plays out. I don't want to dump contracts just for the sake of dumping them.

I agree with the original post, and I also agree with tlong's post... especially the bolded part.

Moving Miller/Camby/Joel can be moved FOR VALUE, rather than in an effort to save money, and I hope that they are. If we get rid of two or three of those guys, though, with Roy and Oden out, this team is going to be struggling big-time the rest of the year, so it becomes a rebuilding situation by default.

Ed O.

 

[BBert]

Blaze, maxie, tlong, I'm with you. Greg is only 22 years old. I am not ready, as most fans and observers seem to be, to conclude he will never play again or that he will never play for the Blazers if he does. If Greg is going to play again, it may as well be for us, in whatever role he is capable. If there is ANY hope he will play basketball, and I think there is, I would lock him up with the QO for a year then see what happens.

 

[BBert]

I agree with the original post, and I also agree with tlong's post... especially the bolded part.

Moving Miller/Camby/Joel can be moved FOR VALUE, rather than in an effort to save money, and I hope that they are. If we get rid of two or three of those guys, though, with Roy and Oden out, this team is going to be struggling big-time the rest of the year, so it becomes a rebuilding situation by default.

Ed O.

The Blazers have to consider all options. The rebuilding (read "tanking") option is one to look at. That can easily be accomplished by taking Oden off the table (done), taking Roy off the table for the year, and trading a couple of players (i.e. Miller, Joel, Camby, Rudy) for future considerations and backups. No need to ask the remaining players (LaMarcus, Batum, Matthews, Johnson, etc) to do anything other than play hard. Mediocrity and losing sucks, but rebuilding with young players with "potential" is always exciting!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Quick is very bitter and upset this year. The Blazers have made a huge effort to plug all the media leaks from the KP era. It was a full 24 hours before we heard about Elliot Williams injury. And now this latest Oden saga was kept completely off of the radar until the Blazers announced it. Quick has had no scoops this year. Everything he has reported has been reported to him by the Blazers.

 

[hasoos]

We've wasted more money on players with much less upside.

So how does one mistake justify another?

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I don't think we will know enough after a year to make a better decision so i would not shell out 9 million dollars.

 

[oldmangrouch]

The smartest decision Al Davis has made in the past decade, was to cut JaMarcus Russell.

Yes, he was THE #1 pick.
Yes, he had some "potential".
No, he was never going to be an NFL player.

They kicked him to the curb, turned the page, however you want to phrase it - and the team got better! Even Quick couldn't miss that lesson.

 

[hasoos]

The smartest decision Al Davis has made in the past decade, was to cut JaMarcus Russell.

Yes, he was THE #1 pick.
Yes, he had some "potential".
No, he was never going to be an NFL player.

They kicked him to the curb, turned the page, however you want to phrase it - and the team got better! Even Quick couldn't miss that lesson.

Yea I know. My buddy is a Raiders fan and I told him about halfway through Russels first year he was going to have to hold on until management saw fit to cut him. Sometimes you just have to cut loose and move forward with a clean slate.

 

[Hey]

Russell was a druggie who did not care to be in shape, nor did he ever play well on the field at all.

 

[mercykersey]

Jason quick sucks.. Oden will recover from this microfracture just like his exact same injury on the opposite knee recovered nicely from it. Hes proven it works for him, that dominant stretch last year was after microfracture.. You make the QO and see what the kids got after hes fully healed a year from now.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

After reading some more; if I have this right, making the 8.8 million dollar qualifying offer really only gives us his services for a year in which we know he probably won't be playing effectively (if at all). He is then an unrestricted free agent. So it seems the only reason to give it to him would be the hope that he would be grateful and willing to sign with us after the one year (assuming we would want to sign him.) That just doesn't seem like a very good deal to me, for the Blazers.

 

[RR7]

After reading some more; if I have this right, making the 8.8 million dollar qualifying offer really only gives us his services for a year in which we know he probably won't be playing effectively (if at all). He is then an unrestricted free agent. So it seems the only reason to give it to him would be the hope that he would be grateful and willing to sign with us after the one year (assuming we would want to sign him.) That just doesn't seem like a very good deal to me, for the Blazers.

He will be a Restricted free agent. So other teams will be making him offers at this time, potentially. Making him that qualifying offer gives us the opportunity to match any offer he may receive. If we don't make the QO, he is unrestricted.

 

[e_blazer]

After reading some more; if I have this right, making the 8.8 million dollar qualifying offer really only gives us his services for a year in which we know he probably won't be playing effectively (if at all). He is then an unrestricted free agent. So it seems the only reason to give it to him would be the hope that he would be grateful and willing to sign with us after the one year (assuming we would want to sign him.) That just doesn't seem like a very good deal to me, for the Blazers.

Not exactly. The Blazers have to make a qualifying offer if they want to have Greg be a restricted free agent next summer. They then would be in a position to match any offers Greg gets for a multi-year deal. Greg only accepts the qualifying offer if he really wants out of Portland, is willing to accept the risk of playing on a one-year deal, and is willing to accept the gamble that somebody will offer a better deal after the one year he plays on the qualifying offer.

 

[Blaze01]

Moving Miller/Camby/Joel can be moved FOR VALUE, rather than in an effort to save money, and I hope that they are. If we get rid of two or three of those guys, though, with Roy and Oden out, this team is going to be struggling big-time the rest of the year, so it becomes a rebuilding situation by default.

I am in total agreement with this.... I do think POR is better off to look at trading Camby, Miller, Przybilla and Rudy now if they can...PROVIDED they can get value...

I think Camby has value to any team looking at adding pieces before the playoffs...

Both Miller & Przybilla have value as players and as expiring contracts...

Given the age, thier abilities\usefulness as players and expiring contracts (Miller & Pryz)....They don't fit in with the team long term anyway...I definitely don't think they should be salary dumps....but for young players and draft picks? IMO, that should DEFINITELY be on CHo's priority list starting today....

I wouldn't considering dealing Batum at all, unless it is an obvious upgrade....I think Matthews is a keeper as well and who knows with Johnson\Babbit\Williams, hold them if you can but if the deal is right, not deal breakers IMO....

Start there...add in Roy, who it appears may degrade as time goes on, will certainly have to change his game, but with his contract isn't going anywhere....Maybe Aldridge, maybe you keep him or if a great deal came around trade him...and build (again) through the draft and trades with a priority of PG and C....

I just don't see any other avenue for this team at this point....

 

[maxiep]

So how does one mistake justify another?

Why do you assume re-signing Oden will be a mistake? I'm just saying we've taken fliers *cough* Theo Ratliff *cough* on players with similar injury histories and much less upside at significantly more money. It's a risk/reward calculation, and I think you take the risk.

 

[maxiep]

The smartest decision Al Davis has made in the past decade, was to cut JaMarcus Russell.

Yes, he was THE #1 pick.
Yes, he had some "potential".
No, he was never going to be an NFL player.

They kicked him to the curb, turned the page, however you want to phrase it - and the team got better! Even Quick couldn't miss that lesson.

And if Greg Oden played like JaMarcus Russell, then you'd have a point.

Right now, GO is more like Bob Sanders.

 

[Natebishop3]

I personally have pretty much given up hope on Greg, and at this point I don't think anyone can fault those of us who feel this way. Greg has had three (?) knee surgeries in less than four years. That's terrible. I think the blind faith in Oden needs to stop.

 

[maxiep]

Jason Quick on the radio this AM, comments that POR needs to turn the page on Oden...says the team will not (should not?) give him a qualifying offer (arond $9mil).


Really?


Yeah, let's go through all of the bullshit that has been the Greg Oden injury circus parade, and then cap it off by letting him walk for NOTHING...let another team sign him and god forbid he blows up or even comes back as a respectable player on another team....to slap POR mgmt and fans in the face every time they see him with another jersey on....


No fucking way you let that happen...


I don't know if he will ever play agin....He is only 22 years old however, plenty of years to come back, if he chooses to do so....To let him walk for nothing would be asinine at this point....This is exactly why Quick should stick to his fucking day job, and stop playing sunday morning GM....and another thing, so what if the qualifying offer is $9 million, it is not like this team will be under the cap anytime soon will it? You really think Paul Allen is going to flinch at paying $9 million for one year to see how this sad play finishes out?

I don't....nor should he, the team has suffered long in regards to Oden, no reason not to suffer another year, the alternative is just not palatable...not to POR fans, and certainly not to POR mgmt...


One more thing, I do believe that this team has to rebuild, start it over....

So what if you scrap your way into the playoffs as a 7th\8th seed to be playoff fodder?...big fucking deal....

This team has some players that would have value to other teams namely Camby, Przybilla (specifically his contract), Miller (same as Przybilla)...Use those players and contracts to stockpile as many young players and picks as you can...You don't get a do over here (see Raef LaFrentz)...

What would you as fans ( or Allen as an owner) rather have? A team on the margin of the playoffs with ZERO chance of winning a title? Or a team that misses the playoffs for a few years (a distinct possibility to occur anyway) and rebuilds through draft\trades while starting this process over?

That is big league sports people...if you aren't on your way up (building towards a title run), then you need to be in full rebuilding mode...The sooner the Blazers come to grip with that reality, as it certainly stands now...the closer they will get to actually competing (let alone winning) an NBA title....

Shouldn't this news regarding Oden, along with the news about Roy make it clear what POR needs to be focused on from here on out? I mean can anyone say Roy will live up to his max deal? More likely he is a max-priced shadow of his former self? and no team will take him, not until the last year of his mega contract....

Rebuild...There is not other viable (or realistic) alternative....

Blaze, I appreciate this lengthy, well written and logical post, but you really didn't need to post anything but the title of this thread.