Jay Allen Reporting on 750 The Game

[PapaG]

Life's unfair sometimes. Sometimes God rewards completely undeserving cancers with assists.

I never called Miller a cancer. Dumb sentence.

Well, as long as you learned something from John Stockton. He has a lot to teach.

I loved John Stockton's game. He's my favorite PG in history, as I've posted for years.

 

[Natebishop3]

I did answer the question. Miller has made no difference, IMO. Same results as the season before the Blazers got him, and with fewer wins and lower seeds.

That's not what I asked you though, is it? You won't answer the question... why is that?

 

[Minstrel]

I never called Miller a cancer. Dumb sentence.

I never said you called Miller a cancer. Dumb response to my sentence.

I loved John Stockton's game. He's my favorite PG in history, as I've posted for years.

So we agree that he has a lot to teach.

 

[PapaG]

That's not what I asked you though, is it? You won't answer the question... why is that?

I did answer your question. It was a stupid question without a definitive answer, though.

 

[PapaG]

I never said you called Miller a cancer. Dumb response to my sentence.

So you called Miller a cancer that was rewarded with assists? Why did you mention cancer?

 

[Natebishop3]

I did answer your question. It was a stupid question without a definitive answer, though.

I think it was pretty black and white. Would the team have made the playoffs without Miller the past two seasons? Simple yes or no question.

 

[Minstrel]

So you called Miller a cancer that was rewarded with assists? Why did you mention cancer?

I was brainstorming to try and help us understand why a productive player like Miller would cause his teams to lose playoff series when they were generally always the favored team.

Isn't it possible that he was a cancer that demoralized his teammates and made them play below their capabilities? Roy, for example, was much worse in this year's playoffs as compared to the playoffs before Miller joined the team.

 

[PapaG]

I think it was pretty black and white. Would the team have made the playoffs without Miller the past two seasons? Simple yes or no question.

How can this question be answered? It's a dumb question, as I've already posted, and there is no definitive answer.

The fact is the team stagnated, at best, with Miller as their PG. That's my answer.

 

[PapaG]

I was brainstorming to try and help us understand why a productive player like Miller would cause his teams to lose playoff series when they were generally always the favored team.

Isn't it possible that he was a cancer that demoralized his teammates and made them play below their capabilities? Roy, for example, was much worse in this year's playoffs as compared to the playoffs before Miller joined the team.

Roy was much better in the Houston series, though.

I still don't get your "cancer" smear of Miller.

 

[Natebishop3]

How can this question be answered? It's a dumb question, as I've already posted, and there is no definitive answer.

The fact is the team stagnated, at best, with Miller as their PG. That's my answer.

I think it's really easy to answer. You can either say "yes".... or you can say "no". The team was either good enough to still make the playoffs without Miller on the team, OR the team wasn't good enough to make the playoffs without Miller on the team. I don't see how you're so confused by the question. I think you're dodging it because it blows your stupid assertion that he didn't make a difference out of the water.

 

[Draco]

Miller hasn't been a playoff failure, he's been a regular season failure. He has never been on a team that got home court advantage.

The old Roy had home court advantage and couldn't get his team out of the first round.

 

[PapaG]

I think it's really easy to answer. You can either say "yes".... or you can say "no". The team was either good enough to still make the playoffs without Miller on the team, OR the team wasn't good enough to make the playoffs without Miller on the team. I don't see how you're so confused by the question. I think you're dodging it because it blows your stupid assertion that he didn't make a difference out of the water.

Honestly, I think it's an unanswerable question based solely on opinion.

I'll deal with reality, and you can construct your little fantasy land.

 

[Minstrel]

Roy was much better in the Houston series, though.

That's exactly what I said. Re-read it. I said Roy was much better in the playoffs BEFORE Miller joined the team. That would be the Houston series. I was pointing out that Roy played much better in the playoffs before Miller came along, as a data point that Miller makes his teammates worse.

I still don't get your "cancer" smear of Miller.

It's not a smear. I'm just brainstorming. What's your theory on why a productive guy like Miller makes his team lose playoff series where they're favored, like this year's Portland/Dallas series?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I said Devon Harris is a cancer.

 

[Draco]

The fact is the team stagnated, at best, with Miller as their PG. That's my answer.

If we didn't have Andre Miller as our starting PG we would've had Patty and Armon playing nearly 48 combined minutes a game. Yes I'd love to get an upgrade over Dre but it's delusional to think the team would be just as competitive with those two scrubs running the show.

 

[Natebishop3]

Honestly, I think it's an unanswerable question based solely on opinion.

I'll deal with reality, and you can construct your little fantasy land.

There you go, dodging the question again. You must play for the Los Angeles Dodgers. You probably live in Dodge City. You mostly likely drive a Dodge Ram. There's a very good chance you love playing Dodge Ball.

Your point that Miller didn't make a difference is a statement based solely on opinion, so what's stopping you from answering this question that you think is based solely on opinion?

 

[PapaG]

That's exactly what I said. Re-read it. I said Roy was much better in the playoffs BEFORE Miller joined the team. That would be the Houston series. I was pointing out that Roy played much better in the playoffs before Miller came along, as a data point that Miller makes his teammates worse.

Ah, got it. Or not, since you just edited you post.

That's exactly what I said. Re-read it. I said Roy was much better in the playoffs BEFORE Miller joined the team.

I'm having trouble keeping up with three conversations. Editing makes it more difficult.



It's not a smear. I'm just brainstorming. What's your theory on why a productive guy like Miller makes his team lose playoff series where they're favored, like this year's Portland/Dallas series?[/QUOTE]

 

[Rhal]

Roy was much better in the Houston series, though.

I still don't get your "cancer" smear of Miller.

Roy wasn't injured in the Houston series and the Phoenix one he was coming back early from surgery and well the Dallas one with the exception of one game he was a shell of his former self.

Miller and LMA have carried this team on there backs the last two seasons, that is my opinion. You don't have the same opinion PapaG (at least with Miller), that's okay fans are allowed to disagree with each other, its what makes forums fun to post in.

Back onto the topic of the forum MILLER FOR CP3 DO IT CHAD!

 

[Chuck Taylor]

Something tells me we're going after Tony Parker. First off, Harris has been on the block for a while now and we didn't want him enough to get him. And secondly, WoJo just wrote that Parker was being shopped. Obviously I am just guessing, but my guess is we want Parker.

 

[Minstrel]

Your point that Miller didn't make a difference is a statement based solely on opinion, so what's stopping you from answering this question that you think is based solely on opinion?

PapaG doesn't like subjective opinions. That was his position about Outlaw's basketball IQ or lack thereof. It was subjective and therefore invalid.

That's why PapaG never makes subjective statements. He just provides facts and he can't help it if they're odd (and troubling?) facts.

 

[PapaG]

If we didn't have Andre Miller as our starting PG we would've had Patty and Armon playing nearly 48 combined minutes a game. Yes I'd love to get an upgrade over Dre but it's delusional to think the team would be just as competitive with those two scrubs running the show.

Bayless was an option, as well as unknown trades.

How is this a yes/no question? I feel like I'm in Crazy Town.

Do the Blazers make the playoffs without the Camby trade in 2010? yes/no

 

[SlyPokerDog]

There you go, dodging the question again. You must play for the Los Angeles Dodgers. You probably live in Dodge City. You mostly likely drive a Dodge Ram. There's a very good chance you love playing Dodge Ball.

Your point that Miller didn't make a difference is a statement based solely on opinion, so what's stopping you from answering this question that you think is based solely on opinion?

If you can dodge a wrench you can dodge a NateBishop3 post!

 

[PapaG]

There you go, dodging the question again. You must play for the Los Angeles Dodgers. You probably live in Dodge City. You mostly likely drive a Dodge Ram. There's a very good chance you love playing Dodge Ball.

Your point that Miller didn't make a difference is a statement based solely on opinion, so what's stopping you from answering this question that you think is based solely on opinion?

Because I think it's a stupid question.

Would the Blazers have made the playoffs without the Camby trade in 2010?

Yes/No

 

[Minstrel]

How is this a yes/no question? I feel like I'm in Crazy Town.

I thought you were aware that it's clown town around here.

 

[Blaze01]

How about getting this thread back on track? Who could POR be dealing Miller for? Another PG, according to Jay Allen? Is that what he said? So who is out there who has been rumoured to be available?

Ray Felton is available right?
Jameer Nelson?
Tony Parker may be out there?
Brandon Jennings has been mentioned to be available

Rajon Rondo? I would (happily) find that hard to believe

Mo Williams? Please...no.
Baron Davis? A pick from CLE (#4) better be involved...
Monta Ellis? Technically not a PG IMO, but I would love if it were so...
Mario Chalmers?
Goran Dragic?
Jonny Flynn?
Chris Paul!!!! Fat chance

Steve Nash? I highly doubt it...
Beno Udrih? yawn....
Jose Calderon? Possible...

Devin Harris? UTA trading with POR, really??

I don't see any other realistic possibilities....Anyone else see someone who I am missing?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Because I think it's a stupid question.

Would the Blazers have made the playoffs without the Camby trade in 2010?

Yes/No

I'll play!

NO!!!!!!!!!!

 

[PapaG]

I thought you were aware that it's clown town around here.

Clown Town is One Center Court.

Crazy Town is this board.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

How about getting this thread back on track? Who could POR be dealing Miller for? Another PG, according to Jay Allen? Is that what he said? So who is out there who has been rumoured to be available?

Ray Felton is available right?
Jameer Nelson?
Tony Parker may be out there?
Brandon Jennings has been mentioned to be available

Rajon Rondo? I would (happily) find that hard to believe

Mo Williams? Please...no.
Baron Davis? A pick from CLE (#4) better be involved...
Monta Ellis? Technically not a PG IMO, but I would love if it were so...
Mario Chalmers?
Goran Dragic?
Jonny Flynn?
Chris Paul!!!! Fat chance

Steve Nash? I highly doubt it...
Beno Udrih? yawn....
Jose Calderon? Possible...

Devin Harris? UTA trading with POR, really??

I like Felton, Parker and Jennings in that order.

 

[Natebishop3]

Bayless was an option, as well as unknown trades.

How is this a yes/no question? I feel like I'm in Crazy Town.

Do the Blazers make the playoffs without the Camby trade in 2010? yes/no

Unknown trades! Ah yes, who knows what would have happened in this alternate universe, maybe the Blazers would have traded for LeBron or Dirk or someone would have carried the day.

Do we make the playoffs in 2009-2010 without the Camby trade? I want to say yes, because we were scrapping, but I think Camby gave us a boost so my gut says no. I don't think we make the playoffs.

However, I think we still make the playoffs without Camby in 2010-2011.

 

[PapaG]

I'll play!

NO!!!!!!!!!!

Well, by using deductive reasoning, then the Blazers wouldn't have made the 2010 playoffs based solely on Miller alone. It took the Camby trade to actually put the team in the playoffs, by this train of thought.