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[Minstrel]

How about getting this thread back on track? Who could POR be dealing Miller for? Another PG, according to Jay Allen? Is that what he said? So who is out there who has been rumoured to be available?

Ray Felton is available right?
Jameer Nelson?
Tony Parker may be out there?
Brandon Jennings has been mentioned to be available

Rajon Rondo? I would (happily) find that hard to believe

Mo Williams? Please...no.
Baron Davis? A pick from CLE (#4) better be involved...
Monta Ellis? Technically not a PG IMO, but I would love if it were so...
Mario Chalmers?
Goran Dragic?
Jonny Flynn?
Chris Paul!!!! Fat chance

Steve Nash? I highly doubt it...
Beno Udrih? yawn....
Jose Calderon? Possible...

Devin Harris? UTA trading with POR, really??

Rajon Rondo and Chris Paul exist in the life-isn't-that-sweet category.

I'd say that Tony Parker and Steve Nash are the most likely pie-in-the-sky possibilities. Most likely not, but not impossible.

I think Ray Felton and Devin Harris are the likeliest possibilities. Maybe Jameer Nelson if Orlando decides that Howard is gone and it's time to liquidate.

 

[Draco]

When judging Andre Miller people often look at Steve Blake's 08-09 season, the problem with doing that is it was an abnormal career year for Blake. He greatly overachieved beyond his career norms, just as Sasha Vujachic did the year he got a bloated contract from the Lakers. Blake has never repeated that level of output, he didn't sustain that level of play in 09-10 before we traded him away. He was a below average NBA backup while playing with us in 09-10. He has been an underachieving backup with the Clippers and the Lakers. The Lakers along with Miami are probably the only two playoff teams in the NBA with a far worse PG situation than us.

Miller needs to be judged against what Blake would provide from 09 onward and what other options we had at PG. Sadly those options were absolute crap, so even though Miller has some glaring weaknesses (outside shooting, defense, overdribbling) his overall impact to our team was far greater than the replacement options available.

 

[Natebishop3]

Because I think it's a stupid question.

Would the Blazers have made the playoffs without the Camby trade in 2010?

Yes/No

You think it's a stupid question because it doesn't support your bullshit statement that Miller didn't make a difference on this team.

 

[PapaG]

Do we make the playoffs in 2009-2010 without the Camby trade? I want to say yes, because we were scrapping, but I think Camby gave us a boost so my gut says no. I don't think we make the playoffs.

So what was your point again? Mine might be this. The Camby trade, by your own answer, was more important to the Blazers making the 2010 playoffs than the addition of Andre Miller. Because, as you just posted, without Camby, the Blazers don't make the playoffs.

 

[Minstrel]

Well, by using deductive reasoning, then the Blazers wouldn't have made the 2010 playoffs based solely on Miller alone.

Yeah. I don't even think it requires the deductive reasoning of your thought experiment to realize that Andre Miller couldn't have made the playoffs alone. Teammates would have been required.

 

[PapaG]

You think it's a stupid question because it doesn't support your bullshit statement that Miller didn't make a difference on this team.

In terms of results, he didn't make a difference.

Plus, as you just posted, without the Camby trade, the Blazers don't even make the playoffs in Miller's first year as PG.

Those are your own words.

 

[PapaG]

Yeah. I don't even think it requires the deductive reasoning of your thought experiment to realize that Andre Miller couldn't have made the playoffs alone. Teammates would have been required.

Thus the absurdity of the Yes/No ultimatum. I'm sure you'd agree, except it's me pointing it out.

 

[Minstrel]

In terms of results, he didn't make a difference.

Plus, as you just posted, without the Camby trade, the Blazers don't even make the playoffs in Miller's first year as PG.

Those are your own words.

Would the Blazers have made the playoffs without Miller? Maybe it required both guys. Could that be possible? Please advise.

 

[Minstrel]

Thus the absurdity of the Yes/No ultimatum. I'm sure you'd agree, except it's me pointing it out.

I don't think anyone said Miller was solely responsible. I think what Nate was saying was that the same roster (plus the midseason acquisition of Camby) wouldn't have made the playoffs if you remove Miller. In which case, Miller made a difference.

Of course, if Nate meant that Miller could have made the playoffs by himself, with no teammates, he can correct my restating of his position.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think Patty Mills will be the starting pg for the Miami Heat by the end of this season.

 

[Minstrel]

I think Patty Mills will be the starting pg for the Miami Heat by the end of this season.

He doesn't have any talents to take to South Beach.

 

[Natebishop3]

In terms of results, he didn't make a difference.

Plus, as you just posted, without the Camby trade, the Blazers don't even make the playoffs in Miller's first year as PG.

Those are your own words.

Okay, so you think the Blazers would have made the playoffs without Miller the past two seasons. Gotcha. I'll keep that in mind.

 

[PapaG]

Would the Blazers have made the playoffs without Miller? Maybe it required both guys. Could that be possible? Please advise.

Well, using NateBishop's yes/no logic, the Blazers would not have made the playoffs without the Camby trade.

So, how can I assess a yes/no on Miller, when NateBishop threw a variable in the yes/no question?

 

[Minstrel]

Okay, so you think the Blazers would have made the playoffs without Miller the past two seasons. Gotcha. I'll keep that in mind.

He didn't say that. Dumb post.

Clown town.

 

[PapaG]

I don't think anyone said Miller was solely responsible. I think what Nate was saying was that the same roster (plus the midseason acquisition of Camby) wouldn't have made the playoffs if you remove Miller. In which case, Miller made a difference.

Of course, if Nate meant that Miller could have made the playoffs by himself, with no teammates, he can correct my restating of his position.

LOL

Throw out the lifesaver!!

Hilarious.

 

[Minstrel]

I'm trying to keep both of you afloat, because I'm a good person.

 

[PapaG]

Okay, so you think the Blazers would have made the playoffs without Miller the past two seasons. Gotcha. I'll keep that in mind.

I never posted that at all.

Here is the solid veteran Minstrel trying to help you out, and yet you still are flailing about trying to find a point.

 

[PapaG]

I'm trying to keep both of you afloat, because I'm a good person.

Your brain must be aching by NateBishop's dumb questions.

But, you can't admit it...

 

[Natebishop3]

Well, using NateBishop's yes/no logic, the Blazers would not have made the playoffs without the Camby trade.

So, how can I assess a yes/no on Miller, when NateBishop threw a variable in the yes/no question?

Wait wait wait... I didn't understand the question. Do the Blazers have Andre Miller in 2009-2010 or do they not? If they do not have Andre Miller, they don't make the playoffs, with or without Camby.

You never told me if they had Andre Miller. If they did, they make the playoffs. If they didn't, they don't even sniff the playoffs.

 

[Natebishop3]

Your brain must be aching by NateBishop's dumb questions.

But, you can't admit it...

Are you sure you're not a lawyer? You're talking yourself in circles trying to avoid my question, which you still haven't answered. I don't think it was a hard question, I don't think it was a complicated question. It was fairly simple and you don't want to answer it. My opinion on Camby or Miller has no bearing on this. Your opinion is what's being called into question. You refuse to answer the question because it makes you look dumb.

 

[PapaG]

Wait wait wait... I didn't understand the question. Do the Blazers have Andre Miller in 2009-2010 or do they not? If they do not have Andre Miller, they don't make the playoffs, with or without Camby.

You never told me if they had Andre Miller. If they did, they make the playoffs. If they didn't, they don't even sniff the playoffs.

Welcome to the club!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'm trying to keep both of you afloat, because I'm a good person.

Yet you shoot down my Patty Mills prediction?!?

 

[Minstrel]

Your brain must be aching by NateBishop's dumb questions.

But, you can't admit it...

I don't know about all that. I'm more interested in your theory as to why Andre Miller, despite being productive, causes his teams to lose playoff series despite being favored each time.

Also, why was Roy so much better before Miller joined the team?

 

[Minstrel]

Yet you shoot down my Patty Mills prediction?!?

Your post was dumb.

SlyPokerDog is just a dummy.

 

[Natebishop3]

Welcome to the club!

What's not to understand? You're intentionally playing dumb.

Would the Blazers have made the playoffs if they had never signed Andre Miller?

What's so complicated about that?

 

[PapaG]

I don't know about all that. I'm more interested in your theory as to why Andre Miller, despite being productive, causes his teams to lose playoff series despite being favored each time.

Also, why was Roy so much better before Miller joined the team?

I never said Miller causes his team to lose in the playoffs. I said he loses in the playoffs.

I thought Mr. DOS was upgraded to understand this level of logic. Guess not.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Your post was dumb.

SlyPokerDog is just a dummy.

 

[Minstrel]

I never said Miller causes his team to lose in the playoffs. I said he loses in the playoffs.

I'm asking you WHY. I'm asking for your opinion. Can you render your opinion for me? Please?

I thought Mr. DOS was upgraded to understand this level of logic. Guess not.

I disappoint you a lot.

 

[maxiep]

He doesn't have any talents to take to South Beach.

His talents are likely only good enough for Bondi Beach.

 

[PapaG]

Would the Blazers have made the playoffs if they had never signed Andre Miller?

What's so complicated about that?

Thye made the playoffs without Andre Miller. It's a dumb question, and can't be answered.

Have you recently been kicked in the head?