Jaynes + Vecsey = the truth?

[OddEnormous]

So I guess when a story gets written that may or may not contain new information that could potentially change the conventional wisdom it's 'parroting' to discuss that story's merit?

You're right, better to keep toeing the "KP is is your god" line blindly, that's much better.

:sqwak:

I think KP is a god?

That's interesting.

This is not conventional wisdom. This is one article by Pete V, and a pretty bad at that.

You're the one who said it was conventional wisdom. Meaning every one knew it was Patterson.

That's absolute bullshit and you know it is.


And none of it is "new information." There's no information in it at all.

There's no story of how Patterson ran that draft. No details. It's just another wank Anti KP article from "sources" with nothing of substance in it.

But you and the others will eat this shit up like a giant saltine fucking cracker.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I think KP is a god?

That's interesting.

This is not conventional wisdom. This is one article by Pete V, and a pretty bad at that.

Amongst Blazers fans? So I guess the term 'pritchslapped' was some kind of New York media invention?

None of it is "new information." There's no information in it at all.

There's no story of how Patterson ran that draft. It's just another wank Anti KP article with nothing of substance in it.

Maybe Vescey is making everything up, but generally speaking when it comes to non-trade rumor stuff (that he's notorious for making up) Peter Vescey's information and sources are usually pretty good ... maybe some source is feeding him bullshit, but the notion that Patterson had a larger hand in the 2006 draft is definitely new information.

You seem to think that just because something is under discussion we all must be buying it hook, line and sinker; I don't know if it's true or not, but it is interesting to think about.

 

[oldmangrouch]

kpee is god....

to morons

OK, listen carefully: you don't like KP. WE GET IT! In the depths of the Amazon rain forrest, there are illiterate, stone age tribesmen who get it! If there is life on Uranus, they have heard your opinion on the subject.

At the point your dislike of KP makes you defend PatterNash....you seriously need to stop and check yourself. (And don't try to say that isn't what you are doing. In the context of this thread, that is *exactly* what you are doing.)

 

[oldmangrouch]

Was Patterson not "overseeing" that draft?

Or was he just "overseeing" KP's brilliant 2006 draft?

Pretty bird

"You must spread some reputation around, etc"

 

[STOMP]

Not fair at all.

PatterNash had their issues, but they were under strict order from uncle Paul to cut costs, and they did that.

If they were really under strict orders from uncle Paul to cut costs then that was another aspect of their job they failed miserably at. Trading Wallace and his huge (18M) expiring contract for SAR and Theo didn't cut costs especially once they prematurely extended Theo to a max contract. Prematurely extending Zach to a max contract (when no one else had above MLE $) didn't cut costs either. Miles was also signed to a huge contract when no one else had above MLE $.

Overall the club's payroll didn't really go down that much under PatterNash, it was revenues that were slashed. By their final full season together in Portland the club was last in the league in both their record and attendance.

STOMP

 

[OddEnormous]

Amongst Blazers fans? So I guess the term 'pritchslapped' was some kind of New York media invention?

No, Kevin Pritchard made it up. He Loves attention and credit you know.

but the notion that Patterson had a larger hand in the 2006 draft is definitely new information.

What's the information? Where are the details?

 

[Nikolokolus]

No, Kevin Pritchard made it up. He Loves attention and credit you know.

What's the information? Where are the details?

The new information is the notion that maybe KP wasn't quite the mastermind of the 2006 draft that's he's been made out to be by local media like JC and Quick ... that maybe he's gotten a little more credit that was his due.

But I get it, you think I'm anti-KP. Truth is I'm neither for or against; I just try to keep an open mind and when somebody presents a new idea or thought I like to talk about it.

 

[OddEnormous]

But I get it, you think I'm anti-KP.

What?

I have no idea if you like him or not.

I'm only talking about the subject at hand.

This article.

A little advice. When you read an article like this, don't read what's there, read what's not there.

i.e. quotes and details.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Wait, what? Quotes and details would have to be written to read them yes? If they're not there how am I supposed to do this "read what's not there" thingy you're talking about?

 

[oldmangrouch]

Wait, what? Quotes and details would have to be written to read them yes? If they're not there how am I supposed to do this "read what's not there" thingy you're talking about?

In other words, notice what's missing.

 

[Nikolokolus]

In other words, notice what's missing.

So what you are saying is that there are known knows, known unknowns and unknown uknowns? Good to know, I know for sure that I'll keep my eyes open for any of these unknown unknowns. Know what I'm saying?

 

[oldmangrouch]

So what you are saying is that there are known knows, known unknowns and unknown uknowns? Good to know, I know for sure that I'll keep my eyes open for any of these unknown unknowns. Know what I'm saying?

No.

 

[andalusian]

So what you are saying is that there are known knows, known unknowns and unknown uknowns? Good to know, I know for sure that I'll keep my eyes open for any of these unknown unknowns. Know what I'm saying?

You are missing Unknown Knows - and do not tell me that Unknown Knows are the same as Knows Unknown - because this is not a Symmetric relation! (*)

(*) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_relation

 

[BBert]

Their worst moves (signing Ratliff and Miles to big contracts, terrible drafting) had nothing to do with being tasked to cut payroll.

Their other worst moves, drafting Telfair and drafting Martell over CP3 and Deron Williams, also had nothing to do with cutting payroll. Unless it was future payroll for future all stars. Let's face it, the talent evaluation and maneuvering to get chosen players has KP written all over it.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

If anything it sounds like Patterson is trying to take credit for KP's work ffs. Or this is just more Wankstain emailing these fucking 2 bit bloggers.

Jesus Christ some of you are so fucking thick.

Can't wait for all of you to parrot this shit for the next 5 years now.

"baaaaaaaaa, hello....pretty bird... baaaaa ....it was all Steve Patterson... hello.... pretty bird"

That's wierd. You call posters parrots at the same time you say that this is probably just more Wankstain emailing bloggers. That sounds like something some media poeple or Blazer personel would want you to say in response to the article.

Are you just parroting the typical response or do you have quotes or citations to show Wankstain is behind this?

 

[Minstrel]

Their other worst moves, drafting Telfair and drafting Martell over CP3 and Deron Williams, also had nothing to do with cutting payroll.

Yeah, I mentioned "terrible drafting" in my post. I was too lazy to list each bad draft pick.

 

[hasoos]

Yeah, I mentioned "terrible drafting" in my post. I was too lazy to list each bad draft pick.

I tried to block them out of the memory nodes of my brain, but unfortunately, I go to every home game, and Martell Webster comes back out on the court and reconnects the memory nodules!!

 

[OddEnormous]

Wait, what? Quotes and details would have to be written to read them yes? If they're not there how am I supposed to do this "read what's not there" thingy you're talking about?

Yes and since they are not written, you should at the very least question the thesis/subject/concept/information of the article.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Yes and since they are not written, you should at the very least question the thesis/subject/concept/information of the article.

:sqwak: Polly wanna cracker.

 

[OddEnormous]

:sqwak: Polly wanna cracker.

Yes, what a clever boy.

 

[Natebishop3]

I remember getting into an argument with someone on here about this exact same subject earlier this year. I remember reading an article in the Oregonian a year or two ago saying that Patterson was actually the guy who brought in Roy and Aldridge. I couldn't find the article though, so the argument faded away. I have a feeling that Patterson might have been the guy who made the calls, but Pritchard was the guy who was pulling the strings.

 

[illmatic99]

Fuck Patternash. Those fools were directly responsible for making this franchise the laughingstock of the league.

21 wins. ugh.

 

[BlazerWookee]

If anything it sounds like Patterson is trying to take credit for KP's work ffs. Or this is just more Wankstain emailing these fucking 2 bit bloggers.

Jesus Christ some of you are so fucking thick.

Can't wait for all of you to parrot this shit for the next 5 years now.

"baaaaaaaaa, hello....pretty bird... baaaaa ....it was all Steve Patterson... hello.... pretty bird"

"Wankstain" FTW...

 

[Nikolokolus]

Speaking of Patterson, give the man a listen from his interview this AM on the MSP.

http://www.dwightjaynes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Steve-Patterson-on-MSP-4-6-10.mp3

I think he comes across as very fair to the organization (the basketball side), complimentary of Paul Allen, and very harsh on Warren Legarrie and Vulcan and sort of addresses the issue that existed between the O and the team when he was on watch.

 

[KingSpeed]

He's gotta check his facts:

They also fail to remember, or probably ever knew, that Patterson assembled the Rockets’ ’94 championship team that swept Orlando;

The Rockets didn't sweep the Magic in 94. They beat the Knicks in 7.

 

[STOMP]

Speaking of Patterson, give the man a listen from his interview this AM on the MSP.

http://www.dwightjaynes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Steve-Patterson-on-MSP-4-6-10.mp3

I think he comes across as very fair to the organization (the basketball side), complimentary of Paul Allen, and very harsh on Warren Legarrie and Vulcan and sort of addresses the issue that existed between the O and the team when he was on watch.

great link... well worth a listen.

STOMP

 

[BGrantFan]

Pritchard has done such a great job of taking credit for Patterson's doings that Patterson still can't get a job in the NBA. Pritch has bamboozled every owner in the NBA! Patterson built the team! Why can't Patterson get a job?!

Steve Patterson was a fucking nightmare. Mark Warkentein is going off the deep end spreading this shit to various writers.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Pritchard has done such a great job of taking credit for Patterson's doings that Patterson still can't get a job in the NBA. Pritch has bamboozled every owner in the NBA! Patterson built the team! Why can't Patterson get a job?!

Steve Patterson was a fucking nightmare. Mark Warkentein is going off the deep end spreading this shit to various writers.

I strongly suggest you listen to the interview he gave on the MSP yesterday morning (link above) the guy sounds like his consulting business, brokering stadium deals and the sale of minor league sports franchises, is going well and frankly he sounds happy as hell. I don't think he was a great NBA executive by any means, but neither do I think he's exactly pushing hard to get back into the league.

 

[BGrantFan]

I strongly suggest you listen to the interview he gave on the MSP yesterday morning (link above) the guy sounds like his consulting business, brokering stadium deals and the sale of minor league sports franchises, is going well and frankly he sounds happy as hell. I don't think he was a great NBA executive by any means, but neither do I think he's exactly pushing hard to get back into the league.

I heard Patterson. I still can't stand the guy, and I know people that worked under his reign of terror.

I wonder how he lives with himself, considering he shit-canned some good people for no good reason.

Now, with this article, and Patterson suddenly showing up in interviews, it's clear that the Steve Patterson image rehabilitation tour is in full effect. I wonder what the douche's angle is this time?

 

[GoBlazersGo]

"Wankstain" FTW...

I'm feeling a bit partial to "Warken-teener," myself!