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BLAZER PROPHET said:
When you start talking about Roy as PG and Matthews as our defensive stopper on all-star SF's, well, yeah. I mean, Matthews is a reserve player. He played some pesky defense and players were being nice in their comments about him, but he's, literally, years away from being a top tier defensive player. And since he's a reserve player for us, even that is in question.
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Before you insult me, try to comprehend and read between the lines. You completely manipulated my post so you can try and take down the guy with under 10 posts.

Not once did I say Matthews was our defensive stopper on All-Star SF's. My point was to prove his size isn't much of a concern because he has played quality defense against All=Star Caliber SF's. Not only will his primary role be backing up Roy at the #2, but he can play spot up minutes at the #3 and also play with Roy on the floor.

It isn't coming out of left field in terms of playing Roy at PG for some minutes when you need a defensive lineup on the floor for matchups. Roy has even discussed with Nate about playing Batum and Matthews on the court together at times. Why would you not want to run that lineup from time to time when you need defensive stops?
 
RipCityInsider said:
Before you insult me, try to comprehend and read between the lines. You completely manipulated my post so you can try and take down the guy with under 10 posts.

Not once did I say Matthews was our defensive stopper on All-Star SF's. My point was to prove his size isn't much of a concern because he has played quality defense against All=Star Caliber SF's. Not only will his primary role be backing up Roy at the #2, but he can play spot up minutes at the #3 and also play with Roy on the floor.

It isn't coming out of left field in terms of playing Roy at PG for some minutes when you need a defensive lineup on the floor for matchups. Roy has even discussed with Nate about playing Batum and Matthews on the court together at times. Why would you not want to run that lineup from time to time when you need defensive stops?
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BLAZER PROPHET said:
He's still not a PG. And frankly, he's been putzing up as well late in games. He cost us two playoff games against Houston. No offense, but do you know much about basketball?
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The argument wasn't whether he's a PG or not. Its whether he's capable of playing PG. He is and he has.

I know more about basketball than you do. I'm not the only one who thinks your nuts in saying Roy can't play the point.
 
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BLAZER PROPHET said:
He's still not a PG. And frankly, he's been putzing up as well late in games. He cost us two playoff games against Houston. No offense, but do you know much about basketball?
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Roy cost us 2 Playoff games against Houston?

Maybe I have a short memory. But Roy was the only reason we won ANY games in that series to begin with.
 
XXPrimusXX said:
Roy cost us 2 Playoff games against Houston?

Maybe I have a short memory. But Roy was the only reason we won ANY games in that series to begin with.
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Exactly. What did he average in that series again?
 
RipCityInsider said:
He guarded Melo and Bryant in the playoffs. Both players said he was the toughest defender they faced the entire playoffs. I don't think his size is a huge concern at the SF spot as some might think. Also, there has been talk we could see different lineups with Roy at the PG, Matthews at SG, and Batum at SF.
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Thanks for the info. Repped to get you rolling and welcome aboard! :D
 
This thread is a fucking waste of time! You are arguing with somebody that claims Brandon does NOT play PG??!! Classic! Lock this bitch up!
 
If you're magic johnson, you can play PG on offense and C on defense. If you're Pippen, you can play PG on offense and SF on defense.

If you're Roy, maybe you can play PG on offense and SG on defense. But is he really a PG?

Two seasons ago, he was 27th in assists per game, behind guys who played a lot less minutes per game. Heck, he was only .1 APG better than Steve Blake in 6+ more MPG.

Last season, he wasn't even in the top 30 in APG.

There are a few guys who aren't PGs who handle the ball most of the time and even lead their team in assists. I wouldn't argue that TMac of a few seasons ago (healthy) was their PG. Nor would I expect anyone to suggest LeBron was Cleveland's PG the past few seasons.

At the defensive end, there's no way I see Roy as capable of guarding Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Rondo, Rose, Parker, or even old guys like Nash or Kidd - on a nightly basis.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
He's still not a PG. And frankly, he's been putzing up as well late in games. He cost us two playoff games against Houston. No offense, but do you know much about basketball?
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LMAO, No offense, but are you often kicked out of dinner parties for rudeness? But again, no offense!
 
Roy through his career averages .4 APG less than Pippen did through his career.
 
Denny Crane said:
If you're magic johnson, you can play PG on offense and C on defense. If you're Pippen, you can play PG on offense and SF on defense.

If you're Roy, maybe you can play PG on offense and SG on defense. But is he really a PG?

Two seasons ago, he was 27th in assists per game, behind guys who played a lot less minutes per game. Heck, he was only .1 APG better than Steve Blake in 6+ more MPG.

Last season, he wasn't even in the top 30 in APG.

There are a few guys who aren't PGs who handle the ball most of the time and even lead their team in assists. I wouldn't argue that TMac of a few seasons ago (healthy) was their PG. Nor would I expect anyone to suggest LeBron was Cleveland's PG the past few seasons.

At the defensive end, there's no way I see Roy as capable of guarding Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Rondo, Rose, Parker, or even old guys like Nash or Kidd - on a nightly basis.
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Ok that's a fairly solid post against Roy's PG-ness. He certainly doesn't defend PG's...but neither did Sergio or Steve Blake. :D
 
Denny Crane said:
If you're magic johnson, you can play PG on offense and C on defense. If you're Pippen, you can play PG on offense and SF on defense.

If you're Roy, maybe you can play PG on offense and SG on defense. But is he really a PG?

Two seasons ago, he was 27th in assists per game, behind guys who played a lot less minutes per game. Heck, he was only .1 APG better than Steve Blake in 6+ more MPG.

Last season, he wasn't even in the top 30 in APG.

There are a few guys who aren't PGs who handle the ball most of the time and even lead their team in assists. I wouldn't argue that TMac of a few seasons ago (healthy) was their PG. Nor would I expect anyone to suggest LeBron was Cleveland's PG the past few seasons.

At the defensive end, there's no way I see Roy as capable of guarding Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Rondo, Rose, ParkeLr, or even old guys like Nash or Kidd - on a nightly basis.
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The problem with comparisons like Magic is that Roy doesn't play the PG spot most of the time he only plays it certain times so naturally he's not going to get the assists like he would if he played it all the time.

Probably the strongest argument that Roy is a PG is the type of PG many feels he plays best with, the ones that doesn't have the ball any more than bringing it up the court and sit back for 3 point shots.
 
RipCityInsider said:
He guarded Melo and Bryant in the playoffs. Both players said he was the toughest defender they faced the entire playoffs. I don't think his size is a huge concern at the SF spot as some might think. Also, there has been talk we could see different lineups with Roy at the PG, Matthews at SG, and Batum at SF.
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Bryant shredded Matthews in the playoffs, and Anthony put up 30 ppg on him and CJ Miles. I'm willing to accept that Matthews is a solid defender, but using his playoffs performance against those two players, and especially Bryant, isn't enough proof for me.
 
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BGrantFan said:
Bryant shredded Matthews in the playoffs, and Anthony put up 30 ppg on him and CJ Miles. I'm willing to accept that Matthews is a solid defender, but using his playoffs performance against those two players, and especially Bryant, isn't enough proof for me.
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The point was his size shouldn't be a big concern at playing the SF position because he can defend those guys. Melo and Bryant are All-NBA players, so it is expected they are going to score. Look what Broy did to Artest and Battier in the Houston series.
 
Denny Crane said:
If you're magic johnson, you can play PG on offense and C on defense. If you're Pippen, you can play PG on offense and SF on defense.

If you're Roy, maybe you can play PG on offense and SG on defense. But is he really a PG?

Two seasons ago, he was 27th in assists per game, behind guys who played a lot less minutes per game. Heck, he was only .1 APG better than Steve Blake in 6+ more MPG.

Last season, he wasn't even in the top 30 in APG.

There are a few guys who aren't PGs who handle the ball most of the time and even lead their team in assists. I wouldn't argue that TMac of a few seasons ago (healthy) was their PG. Nor would I expect anyone to suggest LeBron was Cleveland's PG the past few seasons.


At the defensive end, there's no way I see Roy as capable of guarding Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Rondo, Rose, Parker, or even old guys like Nash or Kidd - on a nightly basis.
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Lets say though, that we do play Batum, Mathews, and Roy, who then is the PG??
 
Denny Crane said:
If you're magic johnson, you can play PG on offense and C on defense. If you're Pippen, you can play PG on offense and SF on defense.

If you're Roy, maybe you can play PG on offense and SG on defense. But is he really a PG?

Two seasons ago, he was 27th in assists per game, behind guys who played a lot less minutes per game. Heck, he was only .1 APG better than Steve Blake in 6+ more MPG.

Last season, he wasn't even in the top 30 in APG.

There are a few guys who aren't PGs who handle the ball most of the time and even lead their team in assists. I wouldn't argue that TMac of a few seasons ago (healthy) was their PG. Nor would I expect anyone to suggest LeBron was Cleveland's PG the past few seasons.

At the defensive end, there's no way I see Roy as capable of guarding Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Rondo, Rose, Parker, or even old guys like Nash or Kidd - on a nightly basis.
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Alright... then what is a PG?
 
Denny Crane said:
If you're magic johnson, you can play PG on offense and C on defense. If you're Pippen, you can play PG on offense and SF on defense.

If you're Roy, maybe you can play PG on offense and SG on defense. But is he really a PG?

Two seasons ago, he was 27th in assists per game, behind guys who played a lot less minutes per game. Heck, he was only .1 APG better than Steve Blake in 6+ more MPG.

Last season, he wasn't even in the top 30 in APG.

There are a few guys who aren't PGs who handle the ball most of the time and even lead their team in assists. I wouldn't argue that TMac of a few seasons ago (healthy) was their PG. Nor would I expect anyone to suggest LeBron was Cleveland's PG the past few seasons.

At the defensive end, there's no way I see Roy as capable of guarding Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Rondo, Rose, Parker, or even old guys like Nash or Kidd - on a nightly basis.
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I don't think anyone has claimed he plays it 100% of the time. He doesn't usually bring the ball up or ever guard the super quick/smaller PGs unless there is a defensive switch. Typically he slides between positions 1-3 on who he guards... JMHO but he sort of floats providing weak D regardless of position (saving his fouls and energy) until crunch time when he's pretty good. But dude absolutely runs the point creating for himself and others at the end of shot clock situations and is the primary ball handler at the end of quarters and games.

What exactly defines the PG position is a question that seems to have many viewpoints... we've had this debate here several times. Certainly Roy isn't a "pure PG" but he is a playmaker who shoulders a lot of the traditional PG responsibilities. Personally I want to have several playmakers/ballhandlers on the court at a time to facilitate offensive flow... pretty psyched about next years Blazers

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gatorpops said:
Lets say though, that we do play Batum, Mathews, and Roy, who then is the PG??
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It may depend on who guards the PG on defense, or if we even see that lineup much.
 
MickZagger said:
Its not really an opinion thing though. Its a fact that Roy has played PG in crunch time during his entire career.
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Roy has played well in some games late, but in others he consistently drove the lane 1 on 3 or 1 on 4 and had the ball easily stripped away while leaving wide open team mates. That's becoming more the norm.
 
BLAZER PROPHET said:
Roy has played well in some games late, but in others he consistently drove the lane 1 on 3 or 1 on 4 and had the ball easily stripped away while leaving wide open team mates. That's becoming more the norm.
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Ah, I see. Changing the argument from "Roy doesn't play PG" to "Roy doesn't play PG well". A nice tactic when shown how wrong you were.
 
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