Jefferson trade one of the best in (Bucks') team history? heh.

[pegs]

The crowd gave newcomer Jefferson a huge ovation, and McGlocklin said the June trade which brought the 6-foot-7 forward in return for Bobby Simmons and Yi Jianlian may go down as one of the best in team history.


“I’m excited,” Jefferson told the crowd. “It’s a great opportunity. I take with me a lot of good memories from New Jersey. It’s time for a new chapter in my life.”

Redd looking forward to big season - Charles F. Gardner, Milwaukee JS Online

Just thought I would share this.

Does anyone agree with this?
[crickets]
Anyone?

That's a bit of a joke.

 

[networks]

I am going to keep track of how the Bucks do. I want to see how the Redd/Jefferson combo works.

 

[jirohkanzaki]

it was a great trade for the bucks since they want to win now and can do it better with rj instead of simmons and yi but if the trade is one of the best in the bucks' history then that's just sad for milwaukee...

 

[cpawfan]

The Bucks traded for Oscar Robertson

 

[Netted]

The success of the trade can't be determined until we see how Milwaukee performs and how well Yi develops.

Anything said now is just speculation to gain support from the fans.

 

[Petey]

The Bucks traded for Oscar Robertson

It's not best, but one of the best.

Considering what they gave up... maybe.

-Petey

 

[cpawfan]

It's not best, but one of the best.

Considering what they gave up... maybe.

-Petey

The Bucks history is filled with horrible trades, so it isn't difficult to make the one of the best list. Dirk for Tractor Traylor anyone?

 

[Malorkayel]

My crystal ball ran out of batteries.

Edit: I loved how Redd hyped riding the bench as helping to win gold.

 

[MisterMontross]

Bucks traded of two players they wanted to get rid of for a very good player that should do well under Skiles.

Bucks best trade, I don't know.

But a good trade for them, and possibly also a good trade for the Nets.

The fact that Bucks didn't have to give up a draft pick in the trade is definitely a plus for them.

 

[SportsTicker]

Bucks traded of two players they wanted to get rid of for a very good player that should do well under Skiles.

Bucks best trade, I don't know.

But a good trade for them, and possibly also a good trade for the Nets.

The fact that Bucks didn't have to give up a draft pick in the trade is definitely a plus for them.

They WANTED to get rid of Yi? Only because they had completely screwed up their roster and overloaded it with overpaid big men. it was one of the dumbest draft picks ever, not because Yi wasn't worth it, but because of their roster and because he had told them he didnt want to be there.

To say it's one of the Bucks' best trades ever is 1) over the top since no one intelligent guages a trade, particularly one in which the three players are 28, 28 and 20, until at least a year or two has past and 2) not that big of a deal because, as cpawfan notes, that bar is not very high.

The Nets didnt make that trade for this year. If it fails, it will because Kiki's assessment of Yi's long term development was dead wrong. If it succeeds, it helps the Nets with both the foundation and cap space needed for further flexibility, either in 2009, 2010 or 2011.

 

[MisterMontross]

They WANTED to get rid of Yi? Only because they had completely screwed up their roster and overloaded it with overpaid big men. it was one of the dumbest draft picks ever, not because Yi wasn't worth it, but because of their roster and because he had told them he didnt want to be there.

To say it's one of the Bucks' best trades ever is 1) over the top since no one intelligent guages a trade, particularly one in which the three players are 28, 28 and 20, until at least a year or two has past and 2) not that big of a deal because, as cpawfan notes, that bar is not very high.

The Nets didnt make that trade for this year. If it fails, it will because Kiki's assessment of Yi's long term development was dead wrong. If it succeeds, it helps the Nets with both the foundation and cap space needed for further flexibility, either in 2009, 2010 or 2011.

Yes, Bucks wanted to get rid of Yi. I think that is obvious in that THE BUCKS DID GET RID OF YI. Many reports stated that Bucks didn't like having to deal with the Chinese officials that were concerned about Yi's treatmeant by the Bucks.

And I didn't say it was the Bucks best trade. I said it was a good trade, possibly for both teams.

 

[GMJ]

weird.

 

[DennisRodman]

weird.

Wow, I don't know why, but that doesn't even look like Jefferson to me.

 

[soul driver]

newest member of the bucks!?

 

[cLokwerk]

Yes, Bucks wanted to get rid of Yi. I think that is obvious in that THE BUCKS DID GET RID OF YI. Many reports stated that Bucks didn't like having to deal with the Chinese officials that were concerned about Yi's treatmeant by the Bucks.

And I didn't say it was the Bucks best trade. I said it was a good trade, possibly for both teams.

This isn't true. When John Hammond took the GM job he identified Yi and Bogut as their two most valuable players. He labeled them the building blocks of the franchise moving forward. He also praised Michael Redd to a lesser extent. His plan was to move certain players (namely Villanueva and Mo Williams) and try to make the team a playoff contender immediately. If you search through the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel archives, and listen to Hammond's interviews on Milwaukee's local sports radio stations, you'll see this.

The plan to build around Yi, Bogut, and Redd changed when Kiki came calling. When RJ became available, the Bucks wanted him, especially Skiles. They offered a variety of deals to the Nets, almost all of which included Charlie Villanueva. According to the Bucks post-game show host (on ESPN 540, Milwaukee) the Bucks offered Villanueva and a first round pick for RJ. Kiki turned down all offers from the Bucks that did not involve Yi. Eventually Hammond agreed to the Yi/Simmons deal.

Though dealing with the Chinese government can be a pain in the ass, Milwaukee had every intention of keeping Yi. Hammond and Skiles even had plans to fly to China to visit Yi, watch him train with the CNT, and watch the Olympics.

In the end, getting RJ fulfilled a lot of things the Bucks wanted this year. They had to find a SF to fill their weakest postion, they wanted a name guy who fans know to get them excited about Bucks basketball again, and they wanted to win immediately. Ultimately the Bucks decided that gaining these things was more valuable then keeping their young prospect. As Hammond said after the trade, "you have to give talent to get talent."

But make no mistake, if Hammond had his way, he would've gone into this season with a starting line-up of Bogut/Yi/Jefferson/Redd/Ridnour.

 

[MisterMontross]

This isn't true. When John Hammond took the GM job he identified Yi and Bogut as their two most valuable players. He labeled them the building blocks of the franchise moving forward. He also praised Michael Redd to a lesser extent. His plan was to move certain players (namely Villanueva and Mo Williams) and try to make the team a playoff contender immediately. If you search through the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel archives, and listen to Hammond's interviews on Milwaukee's local sports radio stations, you'll see this.

The plan to build around Yi, Bogut, and Redd changed when Kiki came calling. When RJ became available, the Bucks wanted him, especially Skiles. They offered a variety of deals to the Nets, almost all of which included Charlie Villanueva. According to the Bucks post-game show host (on ESPN 540, Milwaukee) the Bucks offered Villanueva and a first round pick for RJ. Kiki turned down all offers from the Bucks that did not involve Yi. Eventually Hammond agreed to the Yi/Simmons deal.

Though dealing with the Chinese government can be a pain in the ass, Milwaukee had every intention of keeping Yi. Hammond and Skiles even had plans to fly to China to visit Yi, watch him train with the CNT, and watch the Olympics.

In the end, getting RJ fulfilled a lot of things the Bucks wanted this year. They had to find a SF to fill their weakest postion, they wanted a name guy who fans know to get them excited about Bucks basketball again, and they wanted to win immediately. Ultimately the Bucks decided that gaining these things was more valuable then keeping their young prospect. As Hammond said after the trade, "you have to give talent to get talent."

But make no mistake, if Hammond had his way, he would've gone into this season with a starting line-up of Bogut/Yi/Jefferson/Redd/Ridnour.

Okay, if that's what you want to believe. But the Bucks traded big for small. They traded Yi for a player the Nets wanted to shed. I believe the Bucks wanted to get rid of Yi, and the fact that they did, in fact, get rid of Yi leads me to the conclusion that I am correct.

I suppose I could be wrong, but nothing I've observed thus far makes me believe that I am.

Remember, the hierarchy of NBA teams generally lies to the press, when and if it fits their needs.

 

[ghoti]

Bucks traded of two players they wanted to get rid of for a very good player that should do well under Skiles.

Why would he do well under Skiles?

Skiles is like a cult leader who hypes playing hard for all 48 minutes and hustling on both ends.

RJ sometimes talks like he believes in that, but that's where it ends with him.

 

[MisterMontross]

Why would he do well under Skiles?

Skiles is like a cult leader who hypes playing hard for all 48 minutes and hustling on both ends.

RJ sometimes talks like he believes in that, but that's where it ends with him.

I've actually seen RJ play like he believes that, PLUS, I believe he is pissed off about the trade and feels he has something to prove.

Vince talks like he believes in playing hard also, but I've seen that so much more from RJ than I have from Vince.

Should be interesting to see how this coming season plays out.

 

[allnet5-21]

we have to judge this trade in two years, if yi is averaging 15 and 9 and we sign lebron or some other big name then we get the betterr, if he busts and rj ends up averaging 19 6 and 3 like he use to along with his defense comin back and the bucks start winning plus we dnt get lbj then they got the betterr

 

[allnet5-21]

as for being one of the best, they have traded great players i.e. ray allen, kareem..... but their best trade will always be for oscar robertson.

 

[cLokwerk]

Okay, if that's what you want to believe. But the Bucks traded big for small. They traded Yi for a player the Nets wanted to shed. I believe the Bucks wanted to get rid of Yi, and the fact that they did, in fact, get rid of Yi leads me to the conclusion that I am correct.

I suppose I could be wrong, but nothing I've observed thus far makes me believe that I am.

Remember, the hierarchy of NBA teams generally lies to the press, when and if it fits their needs.

It's not what I want to believe, it's what happened. I do agree that NBA presidents, GMs, owners, coaches lie to the press, but in this case it's backed up by the fact that Hammond was offering CV to everyone, and Yi to no one. Once Kiki offered Jefferson, a player Skiles wanted for a long time, their plan changed.

 

[ghoti]

we have to judge this trade in two years, if yi is averaging 15 and 9 and we sign lebron or some other big name then we get the betterr, if he busts and rj ends up averaging 19 6 and 3 like he use to along with his defense comin back and the bucks start winning plus we dnt get lbj then they got the betterr

I'm going to judge it now and say the Nets traded a player who was expensive and playing selfish, loser basketball for a top prospect, and that is a win.

Formerly good players like RJ sometimes turn things around and prospects don't always pan out, but considering RJ's contract, it's a miracle they got someone as good as Yi for him.

Either way, RJ wasn't taking the Nets anywhere, so unless somebody knows of a better prospect who was available - this was a stroke of luck. Thanks, Chinese government!

 

[MisterMontross]

we have to judge this trade in two years, if yi is averaging 15 and 9 and we sign lebron or some other big name then we get the betterr, if he busts and rj ends up averaging 19 6 and 3 like he use to along with his defense comin back and the bucks start winning plus we dnt get lbj then they got the betterr

I'm hoping Nets got the better of this trade. Hoping Yi turns into something special, and Simmons regains some or all of his pre-injury form.

But I still believe Bucks traded us two guys they wanted to get rid of.

Remember, Bucks traded Jabbar (although he might have still been Alcindor at the time).

 

[allnet5-21]

I'm going to judge it now and say the Nets traded a player who was expensive and playing selfish, loser basketball for a top prospect, and that is a win.

Formerly good players like RJ sometimes turn things around and prospects don't always pan out, but considering RJ's contract, it's a miracle they got someone as good as Yi for him.

Either way, RJ wasn't taking the Nets anywhere, so unless somebody knows of a better prospect who was available - this was a stroke of luck. Thanks, Chinese government!

thats very true and i think everything will pan out but i think there is a good chance that rj will get a chance to be an allstar there with that team and i also think yi has a golden opportunity to be a star here

 

[allnet5-21]

I'm hoping Nets got the better of this trade. Hoping Yi turns into something special, and Simmons regains some or all of his pre-injury form.

But I still believe Bucks traded us two guys they wanted to get rid of.

Remember, Bucks traded Jabbar (although he might have still been Alcindor at the time).

they also traded ray allen flip murray and kevin ollie in what seemed like a good trade for gary payton and desmond mason. that didnt turn out alll that greatt either

 

[MisterMontross]

they also traded ray allen flip murray and kevin ollie in what seemed like a good trade for gary payton and desmond mason. that didnt turn out alll that greatt either

They should have kept Ray Allen?

 

[Real]

Well I hope they make the playoffs, since they really could use a boost in fan support right now.

I mean, you suffer through year after year of losing. You have a shot at a no.1 pick and instead of getting someone like Chris Paul or Deron Williams, you get Andrew Bogut. While Bogut is a very good player, he's not either one of those guys.

Then you have a prospect as talented as Yi and you give him up after one year.

It's simple, they have to make the playoffs. I personally would have kept Yi. When you're in a situation where you can't make any moves that would change your franchise like say the Celtics did last year, you don't give someone up like Yi after one year IMO.

 

[jirohkanzaki]

i want to see vc and rj go at it...

 

[pegs]

Okay, if that's what you want to believe. But the Bucks traded big for small. They traded Yi for a player the Nets wanted to shed. I believe the Bucks wanted to get rid of Yi, and the fact that they did, in fact, get rid of Yi leads me to the conclusion that I am correct.

I suppose I could be wrong, but nothing I've observed thus far makes me believe that I am.

Remember, the hierarchy of NBA teams generally lies to the press, when and if it fits their needs.

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[r3drumNYNJ]

RJ will do fine with the Bucks and Redd. I think he is better in Simmons and Yi but I still like that trade for the Nets because it gives us 2 startes and mostly a player with alot of potential in Yi. Bucks could be a pretty good team I think but it sucks that the conference improved so much because they probably wont make it