Jennings making Sessions expendable?

[Rastapopoulos]

Jennings is looking great in Summer League (pause to allow chorus of boring "Qyntel Woods looked great in Summer League" comments to subside) and I wonder if that makes the Bucks less likely to invest long term in a young PG like Sessions, who has a similar skillset. Now, they probably don't want to hand the keys to the franchise to Jennings, but then again, they do still have whatsisname from Oregon State was it (kidding!)?

I'm not sure if this makes a sign-and-trade likely or just that they would let him walk to stay safely under the cap.

 

[Minstrel]

Jennings is looking great in Summer League (pause to allow chorus of boring "Qyntel Woods looked great in Summer League" comments to subside) and I wonder if that makes the Bucks less likely to invest long term in a young PG like Sessions, who has a similar skillset. Now, they probably don't want to hand the keys to the franchise to Jennings, but then again, they do still have whatsisname from Oregon State was it (kidding!)?

I'm not sure if this makes a sign-and-trade likely or just that they would let him walk to stay safely under the cap.

I'd love to make a play for Sessions, using Blake (so that they don't have to hand the keys over to Jennings right away) and a more desireable player. Perhaps Rudy. And take back Redd. They get to dump a big contract, add a cheap, young, reasonably good talent and get a steady veteran point guard til Jennings is ready.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Boy, Jennings is FUN to watch. With Jennings, and Alexander and Amir Johnson, the Bucks and Exciting actually belong in the same sentence. Jennings is Rajon Rondo II.

PLUS he's regrowing the Gumby!

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I'd love to make a play for Sessions, using Blake (so that they don't have to hand the keys over to Jennings right away) and a more desireable player. Perhaps Rudy. And take back Redd. They get to dump a big contract, add a cheap, young, reasonably good talent and get a steady veteran point guard til Jennings is ready.

We wouldn't have to give up Rudy and we shouldn't take back Redd. Ugh.

 

[Idog1976]

I'd love to make a play for Sessions, using Blake (so that they don't have to hand the keys over to Jennings right away) and a more desireable player. Perhaps Rudy. And take back Redd. They get to dump a big contract, add a cheap, young, reasonably good talent and get a steady veteran point guard til Jennings is ready.

Are they shopping Redd? I hear his name come up alot. I would definitely go Blake, Rudy, Outlaw for Sessions. I would then try to sign Lee again and trade Przybilla for Battier. If we trade for Battier then he can play back up SG as well. That way Roy or Battier is on the floor at all times.

The problem with all of this is the money being tied up with Millsap. I'm almost hoping utah matches on the off chance we go for Sessions.

Does anyone know when the last day to make an offer to an RFA is?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Enough with the giving up Rudy! You're overvaluing Sessions! He's a good young player, but he's on the Bucks, who just let a good young player go for NOTHING. Now, we assumed it was so they could retain Sessions, but that only if they can stay below tax territory. They would almost certainly give Redd away for nothing - he's way overpaid and he doesn't make their team better. No to Redd!

 

[B-Roy]

Enough with the giving up Rudy! You're overvaluing Sessions! He's a good young player, but he's on the Bucks, who just let a good young player go for NOTHING. Now, we assumed it was so they could retain Sessions, but that only if they can stay below tax territory. They would almost certainly give Redd away for nothing - he's way overpaid and he doesn't make their team better. No to Redd!

I don't know. Sessions put up some amazing numbers in Milwaukee. I'd be willing to give up Rudy, and possibly toss Batum into the deal as well. Plus, he's a pure point guard, and would elevate our team into championship contender status.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

If you paid your $15 you can re-watch the Bucks-Bulls game (once it's finished) and hear the Bucks GM being interviewed just before half-time (i.e., now). I heard the beginning of when they asked him about Sessions, and he sounded very lukewarm and noncommittal.

 

[SpanishFly]

If you paid your $15 you can re-watch the Bucks-Bulls game (once it's finished) and hear the Bucks GM being interviewed just before half-time (i.e., now). I heard the beginning of when they asked him about Sessions, and he sounded very lukewarm and noncommittal.

Or Felton, apparently his contract talks are not going well.

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60602/20090715/felton_bobcats_far_apart_on_con

 

[RickyRubio]

I don't know. Sessions put up some amazing numbers in Milwaukee. I'd be willing to give up Rudy, and possibly toss Batum into the deal as well. Plus, he's a pure point guard, and would elevate our team into championship contender status.

Rudy AND Batum?! Dang man. That is insanity in my book. Sessions is NOT that good!!!

 

[Tortimer]

I don't know. Sessions put up some amazing numbers in Milwaukee. I'd be willing to give up Rudy, and possibly toss Batum into the deal as well. Plus, he's a pure point guard, and would elevate our team into championship contender status.

You are way overrating Sessions. His a good young PG. He wouldn't put us in championship contender status not even close. I wouldn't mind signing/trading for Sessions but some people way overrate him on this forum. He can't shoot and only had those 2-3 big games. He has also had many bad or average games. I wouldn't trade Rudy for him. If we are trading Rudy I would rather package something with Rudy and try and trade for Harris or even Conley way before Sessions.

 

[Idog1976]

If you paid your $15 you can re-watch the Bucks-Bulls game (once it's finished) and hear the Bucks GM being interviewed just before half-time (i.e., now). I heard the beginning of when they asked him about Sessions, and he sounded very lukewarm and noncommittal.

Hmm, the plot thickens....

 

[B-Roy]

You are way overrating Sessions. His a good young PG. He wouldn't put us in championship contender status not even close. I wouldn't mind signing/trading for Sessions but some people way overrate him on this forum. He can't shoot and only had those 2-3 big games. He has also had many bad or average games. I wouldn't trade Rudy for him. If we are trading Rudy I would rather package something with Rudy and try and trade for Harris or even Conley way before Sessions.

I should have put a smiley face.

 

[Tortimer]

I should have put a smiley face.

Oh ok didn't catch that from your post.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I would offer Bayless for EITHER Jennings or Sessions. And not think twice.

 

[Minstrel]

I would offer Bayless for EITHER Jennings or Sessions. And not think twice.

I'd offer Bayless for Sessions. But I'd rather deal Rudy.

Ya know why? Because Rudy can't play point guard long-term while Bayless can. After all, Bayless has been a point guard his whole basketball career, dating back to high school.

Plus, I think Bayless is just the better talent. But that remains to be seen.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I'd offer Bayless for Sessions. But I'd rather deal Rudy.
Ya know why? Because Rudy can't play point guard long-term while Bayless can. After all, Bayless has been a point guard his whole basketball career, dating back to high school.
Plus, I think Bayless is just the better talent. But that remains to be seen.

We shall agree to disagree. But perhaps we can agree on this:

List of PG talents      Who's better
Penetrating             Bayless
Shooting 3s             Rudy
Guarding PGs            Bayless (but it's close)
Passing                 Rudy
Basketball IQ           Rudy

 

[Minstrel]

We shall agree to disagree. But perhaps we can agree on this:

List of PG talents      Who's better
Penetrating             Bayless
Shooting 3s             Rudy
Guarding PGs            Bayless (but it's close)
Passing                 Rudy
Basketball IQ           Rudy

How about this?

List of PG talents      Who's better
Penetrating             Bayless
Shooting 3s             Rudy
Guarding PGs            Bayless
Passing                 Rudy
Basketball IQ           Unknown
Ball-Handling           Bayless

Ball-handling isn't the same as penetration. Bringing the ball up the court against defensive pressure or handling the ball on the wing against defensive pressure are both important for a point guard and Rudy's handle is weak.

As for basketball IQ, if you question my putting that as "unknown," Rudy is clearly more experienced and thus currently the superior decision-maker, but it's quite unknown who actually has more basketball intelligence. Bayless is 20 and hasn't yet had a real opportunity to show his ability to think on the court.

 

[Hoops Manifesto]

Planning your team's future based on how a player performs in summer league is suicide.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Planning your team's future based on how a player performs in summer league is suicide.

And who's doing that? If you mean I'm suggesting that the Bucks do that - I'm not. All I'm saying is that it's becoming obvious to me that Jennings is a great talent. That doesn't mean that the Bucks didn't already know that. (Perhaps my title of "Jennings making Sessions expendable" might lead to that interpretation...)

But all right - the Bucks can play it safe, re-sign Sessions, and send Jennings our way. With Sessions they'd be set at PG, but they could use a young SG like Bayless (or maybe Rudy, but I'd rather not).

 

[GODunk]

I don't know. Sessions put up some amazing numbers in Milwaukee. I'd be willing to give up Rudy, and possibly toss Batum into the deal as well. Plus, he's a pure point guard, and would elevate our team into championship contender status.

That is pure craziness! Give up Rudy and Batum for Sessions? I wouldn't do that ever.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

How about this?

List of PG talents      Who's better
Penetrating             Bayless
Shooting 3s             Rudy
Guarding PGs            Bayless
Passing                 Rudy
Basketball IQ           Unknown
Ball-Handling           Bayless

Ball-handling isn't the same as penetration. Bringing the ball up the court against defensive pressure or handling the ball on the wing against defensive pressure are both important for a point guard and Rudy's handle is weak.

Fair enough on the first, but I don't think Rudy's shown a weak handle. If we don't know what Bayless's BBall IQ is (and actually, I think we do) we don't know what Rudy's handle is. He hasn't been asked to bring the ball upcourt for us. But I don't recall him being picked, and I think he did that fine for Juventut and Spain.

As for basketball IQ, if you question my putting that as "unknown," Rudy is clearly more experienced and thus currently the superior decision-maker, but it's quite unknown who actually has more basketball intelligence. Bayless is 20 and hasn't yet had a real opportunity to show his ability to think on the court.

Hmmph. If you're going to do that, then you can make an argument for everything about Bayless is unknown.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

That is pure craziness! Give up Rudy and Batum for Sessions? I wouldn't do that ever.

I'm with you. Unless Rudy and Batum suffer career ending injuries. Or Sessions makes a Brandon Roy-esque leap to greatness.

 

[Minstrel]

Fair enough on the first, but I don't think Rudy's shown a weak handle. If we don't know what Bayless's BBall IQ is (and actually, I think we do) we don't know what Rudy's handle is. He hasn't been asked to bring the ball upcourt for us. But I don't recall him being picked, and I think he did that fine for Juventut and Spain.

Well, scouting reports on Fernandez when he was in the draft said that his dribble was one of his weakest aspects and what might hold him back from starring in the NBA. So far, I'd say that's right. If he could dribble in crowds (and I don't mean like a baby in a mall), his fancy passing skills and shooting would be much more effective. As a catch-and-shoot or catch-and-pass player, he's much easier to defend.

Hmmph. If you're going to do that, then you can make an argument for everything about Bayless is unknown.

I suppose, but he had documented strengths and weaknesses entering the league. "Basketball IQ" wasn't one of them, to my knowledge. Court vision was a concern, but I didn't read anything that questioned his intelligence as it related to playing basketball.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

Apparently the Bucks are signing Carlos Arroyo as well. That makes 4 point guards on their roster with Sessions, Ridnour, and Jennings. Are they willing to let Sessions go? I would offer whatever we had and see what happens.

http://www.sportando.net/eng/usa/nba/3489/arroyo_the_nba_team_is_milwaukee.html

 

[Iwatas]

1: Explore a sign and trade (KP can be doing that now). If Milwaukee does not want a selection from Outlaw/Blake/Bayless/Webster/Picks, then

2: Make a big offer. Either get your man, or make sure Milwaukee pays for not dealing in the first place.

In this business, it is better to be feared by one's competitors than loved.

Rudy stays. He has proven to have NBA skills, and a defined position. Bayless has neither, so far. Both had chances last year, but only one of them really showed us something special. And it wasn't the short guy without court vision.

iWatas

 

[hasoos]

Is that kind of like when Golden State Bellinelli had a couple of hot summer league games and they smartly dealt Jason Richardson away, I mean that made Richardson expendible in the same way that Sessions is expendible in this thread.

 

[Idog1976]

I think I would keep Bayless over Rudy for two reasons. One is Brandon Roy, Rudy's natural and only feasible position is SG. While Rudy has incredible clutch shooting (something that hasn't been talked about enough), astonishing BBIQ and special floor vision. Rudy lacks in athleticism, strength, ball handling and the speed needed to guard the no hand check PG. Rudy also is not a Small Forward as he does not have the strength or height needed to guard the larger Small Forwards in the league, I think he is even more of a liability at the 3 then the 1. I think Rudy will be a top-flight but not elite SG in this league. He simply does not have the physical gifts needed to be amongst the elite.

Broy obviously is an emerging Superstar and will get the lion's share of minutes at SG. Roy is not a PG or a SF either. Thus Rudy will be getting alot of his minutes out of position and can never hope to play starters minutes like he has stated he wants to.

Bayless is still by and large a mystery. We know he is extremely strong, athletic, explosive, he posses an amazing handle, he has a stellar work ethic and shows great determination. What is in question is his decision making and floor vision. Bayless has the gifts necessary to be a PG in the league but he may never realize that potential. Ramon Sessions has shown that he has tremendous floor vision and can get into the paint at will. He is far more of a known commodity then Bayless but is still a bit of a question mark.

Sessions>Bayless>Rudy as a PG.

I think if a deal exists to get Sessions and you have to give up Rudy you have to do it especially over Bayless (PG insurance) and Batum who are both at a position of need. I'm not certain about Sessions, but I know that between Sessions and Bayless one of the two will become the PG we need over the next decade.