Jerryd Bayless has proven...

[Cake]

he is not yet ready to play in the NBA.

 

[B-Roy]

? 4 assists in 10 minutes isn't bad. So what if he was 0/4? No one else could hit a damn shot either.

 

[RoyToy]

Oh, is that so?

K I'll tell him.

 

[Nikolokolus]

he is yet not ready to play in the NBA.

In 12 minutes: he missed two driving layups and two three pointers, got to the foul line, found open shooters, only had 1 turnover, 4 assists, 4 rebounds and a steal. I get it that his shot isn't going in right now, but tell me what it is that he's doing that tells you he's not ready to play?

 

[Cake]

? 4 assists in 10 minutes isn't bad. So what if he was 0/4? No one else could hit a damn shot either.

You know he's shooting 24% for the season, right? With more turnovers than assists?

Kid sucks right now. He may be good eventually, but these people that were calling for him to get major minutes this season were absolutely wrong. He needs to be on the bench to develop. He does NOT need to be on the floor.

Granted, Roy is injured, so there's no choice but to play him...but when Roy comes back, I expect we won't see Bayless again until next season. Or maybe he gets traded, which wouldn't be the worst idea.

 

[craigehlo]

He shouldn't be playing meaningful minutes for a team that want to make the playoffs in the West.

Lucky for him, the Blazers don't fit that description.

 

[julius]

I remember back when Steve Blake first signed with Portland. Many fans were convinced, in his horribly limited amount of playing time to start the season, that he sucked.

Once he got minutes, he proved he was a decent PG.

Let's let Bayless play more than 16 minutes in a game before we decide anything.

 

[MAS RipCity]

You know he's shooting 24% for the season, right? With more turnovers than assists?

Kid sucks right now. He may be good eventually, but these people that were calling for him to get major minutes this season were absolutely wrong. He needs to be on the bench to develop. He does NOT need to be on the floor.

Granted, Roy is injured, so there's no choice but to play him...but when Roy comes back, I expect we won't see Bayless again until next season. Or maybe he gets traded, which wouldn't be the worst idea.

Would you rather lose with Blake and Sergio or with Bayless gaining experience?
Seriously, he has not played enough to pass judgment on him. If Nate would just play him consistent minutes, his productivity would increase, just like Gregg's does the more we run the offense through him.

 

[Ed O]

You know he's shooting 24% for the season, right? With more turnovers than assists?

He actually got 4 assists with 1 TO tonight, so his assists are at 16 and TOs at 15, I believe.

Of course, I think his FG% is sub-23 now.

Kid sucks right now. He may be good eventually, but these people that were calling for him to get major minutes this season were absolutely wrong. He needs to be on the bench to develop. He does NOT need to be on the floor.

Granted, Roy is injured, so there's no choice but to play him...but when Roy comes back, I expect we won't see Bayless again until next season. Or maybe he gets traded, which wouldn't be the worst idea.

I agree on all of this 100%. I would add that I don't mind him getting looks occasionally. It's entirely possible that later this season he'll be more comfortable and therefore more effective than he has been to date.

Ed O.

 

[Cake]

...tell me what it is that he's doing that tells you he's not ready to play?

You mean aside from his game? A better question is what has he done that shows he IS ready to play. He can't handle the ball. He can't shoot. His defense is adequate, but overrated by most fans, especially on this board. He's athletic and he played well in summer league and that's about all he has going for him at this point.

Nothing he's done has shown he's ready to play in the NBA. Maybe next season.

 

[Nikolokolus]

You know he's shooting 24% for the season, right? With more turnovers than assists?

Kid sucks right now. He may be good eventually, but these people that were calling for him to get major minutes this season were absolutely wrong. He needs to be on the bench to develop. He does NOT need to be on the floor.

I don't really care what his FG% is for the season when he's averaging 7 minutes and has had 20 DNPs. Every game I've seen him in he's done nothing but get more comfortable and look improved. I'm not saying he's ready for 20+ minutes a night, but it's obvious he's making strides and without Roy our options are limited at best as far as guards go who can create their own shot and score off the dribble -- Rudy can sometimes drive, Blake can't do it, Sergio can't do it.

The kid is missing layups, he was a natural born scorer in high school and in college, I'm not worried about his offense in the long run.

 

[B-Roy]

You mean aside from his game? A better question is what has he done that shows he IS ready to play. He can't handle the ball. He can't shoot. His defense is adequate, but overrated by most fans, especially on this board. He's athletic and he played well in summer league and that's about all he has going for him at this point.

Nothing he's done has shown he's ready to play in the NBA. Maybe next season.

I doubt Rudy would do anything if he switched (minute) roles with Bayless. His boxscore numbers would look just as bad and people would be questioning KP's decision to bring him over.

Honestly, he's playing sporadic minutes and doesn't know what the team wants from him. (And I doubt the team really knows what they want from Bayless.)

 

[Mediocre Man]

Bayless needs some consistent minutes in order to make a call on him.

He is already our best defender in the back court
He is already the best at attacking the rim.

He needs to learn a few things, but like a hitter in baseball, he needs consistent reps

 

[Cake]

I would add that I don't mind him getting looks occasionally. It's entirely possible that later this season he'll be more comfortable and therefore more effective than he has been to date.

Ed O.

Ed O...I agree completely. I think LIMITED minutes is a great idea for Bayless. And sure...he'll develop as a player as time goes by. He's still a pup. Somewhere down the road, he'll be a Ben Gordon type player: excellent scorer, kind of in between positions. And that's fine. So I'd love to see him get a few looks here and there to help him develop. But when we still have a shot at the playoffs...I don't think it's a great idea to play him. Because right now, he sucks.

 

[Cake]

I doubt Rudy would do anything if he switched (minute) roles with Bayless. His boxscore numbers would look just as bad and people would be questioning KP's decision to bring him over.

Rudy played sporadic minutes in Europe 3-4 years ago and put up excellent numbers. Because he was a good player.

I think Bayless will get there, but I hope we don't force minutes on him at the expense of the team. Because right now, he sucks.

 

[number 10]

the only thing that worries me is his outside shot. Other than that, he looked pretty solid tonight.

 

[Ed O]

I doubt Rudy would do anything if he switched (minute) roles with Bayless. His boxscore numbers would look just as bad and people would be questioning KP's decision to bring him over.

I don't agree. Rudy has one very very good skill: hitting three pointers. Hopefully the rest of his game gets more consistent, but three point shooters coming right in sporadically and making a dent is an easier thing to do.

Bayless doesn't have that one skill that he KNOWS he can always fall back on. It's almost an ability to get to the rim and finish and/or get fouled. He's just not there yet.

Ed O.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Rudy played sporadic minutes in Europe 3-4 years ago and put up excellent numbers. Because he was a good player.

I think Bayless will get there, but I hope we don't force minutes on him at the expense of the team. Because right now, he sucks.

Who's forcing minutes on him? Brandon is out for a week, we NEED somebody to fill the void that Rudy leaves in the second unit, Bayless is it, there's no one else.

 

[Cake]

The kid is missing layups, he was a natural born scorer in high school and in college, I'm not worried about his offense in the long run.

In the long run, I'm not worried about him at all. My point is...he's not ready for the NBA yet.

The fact that he's missing layups ...the EASIEST shots shows that maybe, just maybe...he's not ready for the NBA just yet.

 

[Cake]

Who's forcing minutes on him? Brandon is out for a week, we NEED somebody to fill the void that Rudy leaves in the second unit, Bayless is it, there's no one else.

I said that in my 2nd post.

My original post is in reference to the folks on this board last week who were practically trying to start a friggin' petition to get Bayless more minutes. Those people were wrong. Bayless shouldn't be playing. He sucks right now. Sure, a battlefield promotion to backup SG is fine. He can do that for a week. But when Roy is back, I really hope we don't see J-Bay again for a long, long while.

 

[B-Roy]

I don't agree. Rudy has one very very good skill: hitting three pointers. Hopefully the rest of his game gets more consistent, but three point shooters coming right in sporadically and making a dent is an easier thing to do.

Bayless doesn't have that one skill that he KNOWS he can always fall back on. It's almost an ability to get to the rim and finish and/or get fouled. He's just not there yet.

Ed O.

Rudy's shot is very streaky. If it's on, he's nailing five in a row. If it's off, he's missing five in a row. If you pulled Rudy after 10-15 minutes today, you'd probably be looking at 1/5 shooting and a couple of assists, which are, Bayless numbers.

Bayless is good at getting to the rim, and he can get into the lane a lot. The problem is, like Nik said, he's missing layups. That won't happen forever.

 

[B-Roy]

Rudy played sporadic minutes in Europe 3-4 years ago and put up excellent numbers. Because he was a good player.

I think Bayless will get there, but I hope we don't force minutes on him at the expense of the team. Because right now, he sucks.

There's a big difference between Europe and the NBA.

 

[Ed O]

Rudy's shot is very streaky. If it's on, he's nailing five in a row. If it's off, he's missing five in a row. If you pulled Rudy after 10-15 minutes today, you'd probably be looking at 1/5 shooting and a couple of assists, which are, Bayless numbers.

Or he might have gone 4/5 or 5/5... which Bayless has not been able to do anything approaching just yet.

Bayless is good at getting to the rim, and he can get into the lane a lot. The problem is, like Nik said, he's missing layups. That won't happen forever.

I agree. When Webster gets back and when Roy is healthy, though, there's simply no reason to keep throwing him out there until he starts making them.

Ed O.

 

[B-Roy]

Or he might have gone 4/5 or 5/5... which Bayless has not been able to do anything approaching just yet.

I'm mostly talking about their roles for the season, and I'd be much more inclined to believe that he'd be around 1/5 if he's had the same number of DNPs and random meaningless minutes that Bayless has been getting through out the season.

I agree. When Webster gets back and when Roy is healthy, though, there's simply no reason to keep throwing him out there until he starts making them.

Well, I can't help him make Layups, but he was hitting them throughout highschool, college, the summer league etc. I believe it's more of a mental issue.

 

[MAS RipCity]

This is one of the best draft classes out of the gate, and I have no doubt that Bayless will be one of the greats.
Westbrook is starting to shine in OKC and he has been getting steady minutes for over a month now
Eric Gordon is starting for LAC and had 31 today.
DJ Augustin has had some crazy good games and is getting consistent run.
These players were all in the same draft range as Bayless. The one thing they have in common? Playing time.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. I'd rather take a few more losses with Bayless getting the majority of run over our other point guards than win a few extra. We need him to get his feet wet this year, so he is ready to go when we are making deep playoff runs.

 

[LameR]

...nothing because his sample size is only 100 minutes. If you use 100 minutes to decide on players, you should give him a hundred more and see what changes. He's only taken 31 shots. This is like talking about how Outlaw's 3 point percentage was like 70% at the beginning of the year. His dropped, just like Bayless' shooting percentages should improve as he gets used to the NBA. You know he's still gotta be nervous.

 

[alex42083]

I still have high hopes for Jerryd. We have barely seen anything of him to make an assumption about what kind of player he'll be. I would hate to give up on a 19-20 year old who was projected as a top-five pick after barely half a season, and who hasn't played squat.

 

[BlazersBlood]

It hasn't helped that Bayless hasn't really had any meaningful minutes before Roy got hurt. Now that he's been forced into the lineup, he doesn't look comfortable out there. He doesn't know his role and is busy trying to fit his game around the players around him. He doesn't know when to shoot and is mainly trying to pass since he doesn't want to disrupt the offense. But you can tell when he wants to get to the rim, he can do it with ease. That is a major skill that we need with this team. Once Nate gives him the green light to make it happen, we'll see a more comfortable Bayless. Will he get that chance in the next 2 or 3 games before Roy comes back? Probably not, so we'll just have to remember that he's only a rookie (for those that expect too much and for those that are busy trying to bash him).

 

[RR7]

I said it with Jack last year, who I wanted to keep, and will say it with Bayless. I can live with mistakes if they are mistakes from effort. If a guy is trying to make something happen when nobody else is, and he makes a mistake, then that's acceptable in my eyes, because it shows they are trying, adn those mistakes tend to go away as a player improves, and becomes more comfortable. Everyone looks at Blake and points out the low TO #s, and hwo steady he is, but from watching him, it seems to come from a lack of effort, for the most part. A guy who generally dribbles no further than the 3 point line isn't going to make mistakes. I would take moer TOs, and more effort out of our PG than picking up your dribble at the FT line consistently, but being "steady".

 

[Nikolokolus]

I said it with Jack last year, who I wanted to keep, and will say it with Bayless. I can live with mistakes if they are mistakes from effort. If a guy is trying to make something happen when nobody else is, and he makes a mistake, then that's acceptable in my eyes, because it shows they are trying, adn those mistakes tend to go away as a player improves, and becomes more comfortable. Everyone looks at Blake and points out the low TO #s, and hwo steady he is, but from watching him, it seems to come from a lack of effort, for the most part. A guy who generally dribbles no further than the 3 point line isn't going to make mistakes. I would take moer TOs, and more effort out of our PG than picking up your dribble at the FT line consistently, but being "steady".

I see your point and agree with it mostly, but there is always something to be said for protecting possessions ... kind of like Brandon, then again Brandon is a pretty special player.