Jimmy Butler wants out? (He does.)

[PtldPlatypus]

I don't like losing both Aminu and Harkless. Gotta include Butters or Turner instead.

Leonard was included (going to the Kings).

I agree that keeping Harkless over Turner would be preferable. But if we're talking about getting Butler without giving up CJ OR Collins, beggars can't be choosers.

 

[hoopsjock]

Leonard was included (going to the Kings).

I agree that keeping Harkless over Turner would be preferable. But if we're talking about getting Butler without giving up CJ OR Collins, beggars can't be choosers.

Exactly, I think giving up both is the only way to do it if the goal is to keep CJ and Collins.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

According to Woj, the Kings are wanting to use their cap space for draft compensation. How about this:

Blazers get Butler and Dieng

Kings get Leonard and a 2019 Blazers 1st

Wolves get Harkless, Aminu, and Trent

Blazers do it obviously because they get Jimmy Butler. Kings get the draft pick they want since they already traded away their 2019 1st. Minnesota gets some players that can contribute this year and a young wing but more importantly save $17 million this year and a crapload of money in future years.

This is not a bad suggestion. The Kings are being stupid, but they're the Kings, and the rumor's out there that they want to help, so...

However, you've got to think the Wolves can do better. Also, wouldn't that leave us with essentially an entire team of shooting guards?

 

[Scalma]

Sacramento has been interested in Harkless in the past, and they could still be interested just by looking at how their roster is set up. He fits into their cap space.

Not sure how it would tie into a Butler deal, just thought I’d bring it up. Maybe Minnesota doesn’t want any contracts that go beyond this season. This would allow us to give them someone like Aminu (and our pick)

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Also, wouldn't that leave us with essentially an entire team of shooting guards?

Still have Nurkic, Dieng, Collins, Swanigan, and Layman. I also consider Turner and Butler both to be SF's.

Rotation would probably be Dame/CJ/Butler/Collins/Nurkic with 2nd unit of Curry/Turner/Layman/Dieng and 3rd string Baldwin/Simons/Stauskas/Swanigan. Definitely room to add a couple bigs (Oliver and Onuaku are already in camp), but not really ridiculously unbalanced.

 

[hoopsjock]

This is not a bad suggestion. The Kings are being stupid, but they're the Kings, and the rumor's out there that they want to help, so...

However, you've got to think the Wolves can do better. Also, wouldn't that leave us with essentially an entire team of shooting guards?

As already mentioned above, we'd have 4 bigs (Nurk, Collins, Dieng, Swanigan) and 2 open roster spots to balance out the roster. We'd also have 4 guys who could play PG (Dame, Curry, Baldwin, and CJ) and 4 guys who can play SF (Butler, Layman, Turner, and Stauskas). It's not as SG heavy as you think.

 

[hoopsjock]

Still have Nurkic, Dieng, Collins, Swanigan, and Layman. I also consider Turner and Butler both to be SF's.

Rotation would probably be Dame/CJ/Butler/Collins/Nurkic with 2nd unit of Curry/Turner/Layman/Dieng and 3rd string Baldwin/Simons/Stauskas/Swanigan. Definitely room to add a couple bigs (Oliver and Onuaku are already in camp), but not really ridiculously unbalanced.

We're on the same wavelength this morning.

 

[hoopsjock]

Sacramento has been interested in Harkless in the past, and they could still be interested just by looking at how their roster is set up. He fits into their cap space.

Not sure how it would tie into a Butler deal, just thought I’d bring it up. Maybe Minnesota doesn’t want any contracts that go beyond this season. This would allow us to give them someone like Aminu (and our pick)

Yeah, I mentioned Leonard going to Sacramento but if they wanted Harkless instead of the pick then the pick could go to Minnesota.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

We're on the same wavelength this morning.

Hey, when you're right, you're right.

 

[tester551]

According to Woj, the Kings are wanting to use their cap space for draft compensation. How about this:

Blazers get Butler and Dieng

Kings get Leonard and a 2019 Blazers 1st

Wolves get Harkless, Aminu, and Trent

Blazers do it obviously because they get Jimmy Butler. Kings get the draft pick they want since they already traded away their 2019 1st. Minnesota gets some players that can contribute this year and a young wing but more importantly save $17 million this year and a crapload of money in future years.

I like this thought a lot.

Instead of Harkless/Aminu, can we please swap out ET?

Something like this:

Blazers -> Butler & Dieng
Kings -> Meyers & 2019 Pick
Wolves -> ET, Trent, & Koufos (or Z-Bo)

I think Kings would be more likely to do the trade if they only take on 1 yr of additional salary. Sending out Koufos (or Z-Bo) would preserve most of their cap space this year & allow them to find another trade or two.

We know Thibs thinks ET is under-rated. The deal I put above also gives Minny a big back (preferably a C) to replace Dieng. They'd only have 3 bigs available (KAT, Gibson, Tolliver) after trading Dieng with Patton injured.

 

[hoopsjock]

I like this thought a lot.

Instead of Harkless/Aminu, can we please swap out ET?

Something like this:

Blazers -> Butler & Dieng
Kings -> Meyers & 2019 Pick
Wolves -> ET, Trent, & Koufos (or Z-Bo)

I think Kings would be more likely to do the trade if they only take on 1 yr of additional salary. Sending out Koufos (or Z-Bo) would preserve most of their cap space this year & allow them to find another trade or two.

We know Thibs thinks ET is under-rated. The deal I put above also gives Minny a big back (preferably a C) to replace Dieng. They'd only have 3 bigs available (KAT, Gibson, Tolliver) after trading Dieng with Patton injured.

I don't think there is anyway Minnesota would do that, but hey I'd love it if they did.

 

[julius]

If they do trade for Jimmy, they have to play this and get him a sponsor deal

 

[Sarni]

Minnesota are not going to give Butler up for nothing, it’s just not happening. This could only occur if they knew they couldn’t get ANY deal for him but they can. He might be the only Superstar in the league who is available for teams that can’t compete now, that alone makes him a valuable asset.

 

[hoopsjock]

Minnesota are not going to give Butler up for nothing, it’s just not happening. This could only occur if they knew they couldn’t get ANY deal for him but they can. He might be the only Superstar in the league who is available for teams that can’t compete now, that alone makes him a valuable asset.

Taking on Dieng's contract too is something though.

 

[blue9]

He might be the only Superstar in the league who is available for teams that can’t compete now, that alone makes him a valuable asset.

What are the teams that can't compete now, but could compete if they had Butler? I suspect the number of teams is very limited, and hence the market for Butler is limited. But all it takes is two teams to start a bidding war.

 

[Sarni]

What are the teams that can't compete now, but could compete if they had Butler? I suspect the number of teams is very limited, and hence the market for Butler is limited. But all it takes is two teams to start a bidding war.

I don’t mean compete to win title, more like compete to have a positive record - Nets, Clippers are good examples, they will be below .500 but would be above with him.

 

[Natebishop3]

Man..... if I was the owner of the Wolves I would be pissed at my front office. It really seems like they're stalling because they think they can talk Butler off the ledge.

 

[blue9]

I don’t mean compete to win title, more like compete to have a positive record - Nets, Clippers are good examples, they will be below .500 but would be above with him.

Sure, but the only reason either would trade for him is to obtain his Bird Rights because he named them as teams he'd like to go to and re-sign with. Outside of the "named" teams, I think there are very few teams that make sense as a trade partner for various reasons - OKC and HOU in the West, and BOS or TOR in the east, with a couple of "cusp" teams like us in the mix. Now subtract out any teams that don't have decent trade assets, and who is left? I don't know what all the various rosters look like to know who has what assets...I'd just be surprised if there are more than 3 teams that make sense as potential trade partners. But then, there are a lot of dumb GMs in the league...or guys looking to save their job with a big trade.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

This guy lists us as one of four teams that should be willing to risk a trade for Butler. But he also has concerns about Butler's durability and points out that he has played more minutes per game than any other player in the last five years. Also concerned about how he would co-exist with another ball-dominant guard.
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-teams-that-should-and-shouldnt-trade-for-jimmy-butler/

 

[Hoopguru]

Man..... if I was the owner of the Wolves I would be pissed at my front office. It really seems like they're stalling because they think they can talk Butler off the ledge.

Its like real estate around here, create an auction frenzy with supply and demand coupled with market dynamics, you usually get more than what you expected.
It's smart to wait and I still thing Butler and his Coach have an understanding that something will get done.

 

[RR7]

I did include Butters.

Include him twice next time

 

[hoopsjock]

Include him twice next time

Dude, it's hard enough to make any trade with him included at all. Asking to include him twice would require the impossible.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Dude, it's hard enough to make any trade with him included at all. Asking to include him twice would require the impossible.

Maybe we can trade him to two different teams so they can share the pain (and the salary cap hit).

BNM

 

[DreamKillah]

If they do trade for Jimmy, they have to play this and get him a sponsor deal

Jaimie sucks trump mushroom dick . . .

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

With Ant waiting in the wings I'd consider CJ.

However, with the risk of his FA next summer, we have to get more back from Minny.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

 

[PtldPlatypus]

 

[Hoopguru]

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Wolves come out way ahead on that on, if it happens.

 

[BonesJones]

This makes a ton of sense:

MIA Gets: Jimmy Butler
MIN Gets: Josh Richardson, Bam Adebeyo, Justice Winslow, Kosta Kofous
SAC Gets: Gorgui Dieng, Rodney McGruder, 2019 MIA 1st

MIAMI
Dragic / T.Johnson
Ellington / Wade
Butler / Waiters
J.Johnson / Babbitt
Whiteside / Olynyk

MINMESOTA
Teague / Jones / Rose
Richardson / Okogie / Williams
Wiggins / Winslow / Nunnally
Adebeyo / Gibson / Tolliver
Towns / Kofous / Patton

 

[BigGameDamian]