Jimmy Butler wants out? (He does.)

[Hoopguru]

Sigh... That's the point. Everyone is low balling.

His value is getting lower by the day.

guys guys may be right but I see legit or up and coming star (like a CJ) involved when its all said and done.

 

[Natebishop3]

guys guys may be right but I see legit or up and coming star (like a CJ) involved when its all said and done.

I don’t think we can call CJ legit or up and coming. He is 27 and he has been in the league for five seasons (this will be his sixth season). He isn’t an All Star and I don’t know if I see him taking some huge jump on our team. He just is what he is. If he went somewhere and became The Man maybe he could be a star.

 

[tester551]

I don’t think we can call CJ legit or up and coming. He is 27 and he has been in the league for five seasons (this will be his sixth season). He isn’t an All Star and I don’t know if I see him taking some huge jump on our team. He just is what he is. If he went somewhere and became The Man maybe he could be a star.

Which is why a CJ for Butler trade would be good for Portland. CJ's good, but not an All Star level - and most likely will never get to the level of Butler

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I realize the Blazers probably need to make a move to get a star at some point, and Butler is better than CJ but theres a huge risk in this say they Traded CJ for Jimmy. It probably makes them better THIS year, but then what? He either leaves and all you got was a year (if he plays a full year) of Butler. If he stays you're stuck paying a guy in his 30's who had problems staying on the court. To me with as low as the bidding must be at this point, if the Blazers want to shoot for the fences with Jimmy they shouldn't do it at the expense of CJ.

 

[SwissBlazer]

Turner - Aminu - Leonard for Butler and Dieng. Works in the trade machine. Gives an expiring (Aminu) for direct cap relief of 7M next season. Turner looks good at the moment and Dieng helps them in the long term. Doesn't it make sense? Are we sure we need to add a pick? I am not.

 

[blue9]

I realize the Blazers probably need to make a move to get a star at some point, and Butler is better than CJ but theres a huge risk in this say they Traded CJ for Jimmy. It probably makes them better THIS year, but then what? He either leaves and all you got was a year (if he plays a full year) of Butler. If he stays you're stuck paying a guy in his 30's who had problems staying on the court. To me with as low as the bidding must be at this point, if the Blazers want to shoot for the fences with Jimmy they shouldn't do it at the expense of CJ.

I've been trying to make this point for months but here we are still discussing it.
I'd gladly trade our garbage for Butler. But I'm not trading useful/valuable assets for him - I'd prefer to use them at a later time for a different play.

 

[Gronk Brady]

I think it’s possible to get Butler without CJ at this point, but there is no way we have the best offer without adding in Simons at the very least... but Turner, Aminu, Simons, possibly a lotto protected 1st might be enough for Butler and Deing... which I never thought would be possible a month ago

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I've been trying to make this point for months but here we are still discussing it.
I'd gladly trade our garbage for Butler. But I'm not trading useful/valuable assets for him - I'd prefer to use them at a later time for a different play.

A couple months ago I wouldve been ok with trading CJ for butler, but its become more clear there isnt a bidding war, and the long term risk to me doesnt make sense at this point.

 

[TBpup]

A couple months ago I wouldve been ok with trading CJ for butler, but its become more clear there isnt a bidding war, and the long term risk to me doesnt make sense at this point.

Lack of a bidding war hasn't kept NeO from offering way more than than anyone else came close to expecting before:

"(Turner) was almost as stunned as you by Portland's mega-offer, by the way. Turner's agent made him promise not to tell anyone about the proposal until he signed it. Turner was too giddy, though. He hung up with his agent, immediately called Andre Iguodala, still a close friend and mentor, and blurted out, "Yo, Dre! They offered this!" Turner recalled, laughing. Iguodala told him to take the deal right away."

 

[BBert]

This isn't the time to trade our PGOTF Anfernee Simons. His trade value is the lowest it will ever be. If we (Dame) develop Simons right over the next couple of years (and Dame will) he'll either be a vital part of the team or a valuable trade piece. IMO it's bad business to include Simons in any trade.

 

[BBert]

OT: How lucky is Anfernee Simons to be drafted by Portland and mentored by Damian Fucking Lillard? There is not one single situation in the NBA that would be better for Anfernee than developing under Dame's wing. None. Imagine the negative influence someone like John Wall would have on this kid.

 

[Pinwheel1]

This isn't the time to trade our PGOTF Anfernee Simons. His trade value is the lowest it will ever be. If we (Dame) develop Simons right over the next couple of years (and Dame will) he'll either be a vital part of the team or a valuable trade piece. IMO it's bad business to include Simons in any trade.

yeah you don't want to include him as a throw in but there could be an astute GM out there who scouted him enough to value his potential. At least as much value as a future lottery pick. Which he would have been if he would have gone to college this year.

 

[Scalma]

I think it’s possible to get Butler without CJ at this point, but there is no way we have the best offer without adding in Simons at the very least... but Turner, Aminu, Simons, possibly a lotto protected 1st might be enough for Butler and Deing... which I never thought would be possible a month ago

I’d add Simons in a second, and I say that as a fan of Simons. If that’s the best asset we’re sacrificing for JIMMY BUTLER, I’d live with that.

 

[Hoopguru]

I don’t think we can call CJ legit or up and coming. He is 27 and he has been in the league for five seasons (this will be his sixth season). He isn’t an All Star and I don’t know if I see him taking some huge jump on our team. He just is what he is. If he went somewhere and became The Man maybe he could be a star.

so you don't think he's a star in the league? I dint say all star, I said star or up and coming.

Oh I bet if you surveyed the league most would say CJ is a star for sure. Just my opinion.

 

[Gronk Brady]

I’d add Simons in a second, and I say that as a fan of Simons. If that’s the best asset we’re sacrificing for JIMMY BUTLER, I’d live with that.

If it were up to me tho, I would rather trade CJ... his 30 mil per year contract is horrendous for an undersized SG that doesn’t play defense... especially since you will have to give Jimmy a similar contract at year end... that would total to 100 mil for 3 players... I think the better option is to trade CJ for Jimmy... we have enough at SG, especially with the development of Stauskas all around play to fill in the gaps until Simons is ready... who IMO has much greater potential than CJ and without the giant salary

 

[illmatic99]

OT: How lucky is Anfernee Simons to be drafted by Portland and mentored by Damian Fucking Lillard? There is not one single situation in the NBA that would be better for Anfernee than developing under Dame's wing. None. Imagine the negative influence someone like John Wall would have on this kid.

 

[Scalma]

If it were up to me tho, I would rather trade CJ... his 30 mil per year contract is horrendous for an undersized SG that doesn’t play defense... especially since you will have to give Jimmy a similar contract at year end... that would total to 100 mil for 3 players... I think the better option is to trade CJ for Jimmy... we have enough at SG, especially with the development of Stauskas all around play to fill in the gaps until Simons is ready... who IMO has much greater potential than CJ and without the giant salary

If Minnesota wanted CJ sure, but I could see the case for them preferring less long term money and a younger asset like Simons. But that’d me more of an ownership preference than a Thibs one.

 

[BBert]

I’d add Simons in a second, and I say that as a fan of Simons. If that’s the best asset we’re sacrificing for JIMMY BUTLER, I’d live with that.

If Anfernee is the best asset, sure. Not sure how to make the salaries match without giving up better assets.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

If it were up to me tho, I would rather trade CJ... his 30 mil per year contract is horrendous for an undersized SG that doesn’t play defense... especially since you will have to give Jimmy a similar contract at year end... that would total to 100 mil for 3 players... I think the better option is to trade CJ for Jimmy... we have enough at SG, especially with the development of Stauskas all around play to fill in the gaps until Simons is ready... who IMO has much greater potential than CJ and without the giant salary

I really think that is the trade that Minnesota will go for and it's best for Portland also. Butler and Patton for CJ. Our second unit is going good now; I don't really want to mess it up by trading Turner. Butler takes CJ's place on the first team. We still would need a better SF. There is no purpose in trading Butler if we can't keep him and we can't keep him if we are still paying CJ that much.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I really think that is the trade that Minnesota will go for and it's best for Portland also. Butler and Patton for CJ. Our second unit is going good now; I don't really want to mess it up by trading Turner. Butler takes CJ's place on the first team. We still would need a better SF. There is no purpose in trading Butler if we can't keep him and we can't keep him if we are still paying CJ that much.

Maybe just me, but if we were to hypothetically trade CJ for Butler, I'd want to bench Layman, put Butler at the 3, and move Stauskas...er, sorry--SACUE!!...into the starting lineup.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Maybe just me, but if we were to hypothetically trade CJ for Butler, I'd want to bench Layman, put Butler at the 3, and move Stauskas into the starting lineup.

Dame, Sauce, Butler, Collins, and Nurkic.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Dame, Sauce, Butler, Collins, and Nurkic.

Backed up by Curry, Turner, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan?

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Backed up by Curry, Turner, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan?

Well sense they benched Layman in this scenario would you want to give him minutes?
Also i think. Swannigan / Meyers would share back up and backup to the backup duties depending on matchups.

 

[rotary111]

I like that line up. Sauce brings ball movement to whatever group he's playing with.

 

[TBpup]

TorturedBlazerFan said: ↑
Dame, Sauce, Butler, Collins, and Nurkic.

Backed up by Curry, Turner, Harkless, Aminu, Swanigan?

I still include Layman in the 2nd unit because I don't think you can play Harkless and Aminu together. It's a very small sample size, (obviously) but eFG% for Harkless, Aminu and Layman is .472, .417, and .583 so far. That is a massive gap. Harkless and Aminu are better defensively (most of the time) but Layman can actually dribble and pass a little bit.

 

[Scalma]

Dame
Stauskas
Butler
Collins
Nurkic

Curry
Trent
Turner
Aminu
Biggie/Layman depending on matchup

If Harkless is healthy put him in there instead of Trent.

 

[CupWizier]

If Minnesota wanted CJ sure, but I could see the case for them preferring less long term money and a younger asset like Simons. But that’d me more of an ownership preference than a Thibs one.

Minnesota has been a lottery for what seems like forever and finally made the playoffs. I doubt they want to go younger and regress back to a lottery team. The west is way to tough to try and climb back into the playoffs. Even with a happy Butler they could still conceivably miss the playoffs.

 

[Hoopguru]

Are Butler & Dame two alpha dogs that could easily co-exist?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Are Butler & Dame two alpha dogs that could easily co-exist?

Can Butler co-exist with anyone? But your question is legit. It would work if Butler liked and respected Dame and let him lead the team off the court. Because although a good player Butler seems like a pathetic leader off the court. Doesn't mean the Blazers can't have two alphas on the court. But Butler will need to "grow" and adjust his Prima Donna attitude no matter where he goes, because his act ain't working with his teammates.

 

[Labinot41]

Crazy not to trade for Jimmy Butler because of Simons, WTF (and i'm a Simons fan)