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dviss1 said:
Giving an asset like CJ away for a one year rental is stupid IMO.

I would much rather have CJ on the team than the money we'd have if he wasn't.

People need to stop acting like losing CJ for cap space is a good move.

It's asinine.
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No, it’s asinine to think it’s a good move to commit nearly 1/3 of your salary cap for the next 3 years to an undersized ISO ball chucker who doesn’t play defense
 
dviss1 said:
Giving an asset like CJ away for a one year rental is stupid IMO.

I would much rather have CJ on the team than the money we'd have if he wasn't.

People need to stop acting like losing CJ for cap space is a good move.

It's asinine.
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We'd still have almost $100 million in salary with only 9 players. Those 9 don't include Stauskas, Curry, Aminu, Layman, and Baldwin.

Projected Cap in 2019-20: $109 million

Current Draft Position (obviously subject to change): 22nd which is roughly $2 million for next year.

That gives us less than $9 million dollars in cap space to re-sign/replace 2 starters (Butler and Aminu) and 3 rotation guys (Stauskas, Curry, and Layman who is starting but only out of necessity I think). If Butler walks then Aminu and Layman are the only two of those guys we have Bird Rights to go over the cap to re-sign. Baldwin we'd have Early Bird Rights but not full.

So looking ahead to the roster for next year:
Dame
Turner
Harkless
Collins
Nurk
Leonard
Simons
Swanigan
Trent
#22 Pick

We'd have 5 spots to fill with not a lot of options. Tax wise it's obviously a much better place to be in but overall talent on the roster it would be hard to possibly lose half of our rotation. With a couple of really good moves it could work out but for those thinking we are currently wasting Dame's prime going down this road seems more likely to turn out to be an even bigger waste.
 
hoopsjock said:
for those thinking we are currently wasting Dame's prime going down this road seems more likely to turn out to be an even bigger waste.
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I think the key would be what Dame thinks on a potential move. I know he is tight with CJ but if he felt that taking chance with Butler gives us a better chance at seriously competing, he might go for it. Assuming he, and the Blazers did well, hopefully Butler would sign on for more.

If we stay the course, we stay competitive for Dame's career but I don't see us challenging for anything serious. If we had Butler, I think we are at least in the "can they compete?" discussion.

Gramps...
 
dviss1 said:
Giving an asset like CJ away for a one year rental is stupid IMO.

I would much rather have CJ on the team than the money we'd have if he wasn't.

People need to stop acting like losing CJ for cap space is a good move.

It's asinine.
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Man they be hating on Cj in here
 
H.C. said:
It's okay if Butler is a 70 game rental because Portland will have cap space.
It will let them sign a superstar better than CJ in free agency.
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And it won’t even be 70 games because he has injury issues. Can you imagine trading CJ for a guy who doesn’t even play?
 
KingSpeed said:
And it won’t even be 70 games because he has injury issues. Can you imagine trading CJ for a guy who doesn’t even play?
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Butler plays harder so is more likely to get injured. CJ plays hard on the offensive side but on defense, you don't have to watch long to see he's either taking breaks or some other equally poor reason for such poor defense.
 
I don't care how you word it.
Portland would not be in a better position to compete than they are now if we don't have CJ nor Butler.
It would be time to trade Lillard if that happened, because he would NOT resign.
 
Gronk Brady said:
Dude, you think rounding 28-29% up to 33% is the same as rounding 33% up to 50%... you must have a high IQ... Haha
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Gronk, I did the exact math. It's 25% not 33%. I don't mind your stance lets just not exaggerate.
 
GrandpaBlaze said:
I think the key would be what Dame thinks on a potential move. I know he is tight with CJ but if he felt that taking chance with Butler gives us a better chance at seriously competing, he might go for it. Assuming he, and the Blazers did well, hopefully Butler would sign on for more.

If we stay the course, we stay competitive for Dame's career but I don't see us challenging for anything serious. If we had Butler, I think we are at least in the "can they compete?" discussion.

Gramps...
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My response was directed towards the idea that Portland would be in better shape with Butler leaving and CJ's contract off the roster.

Re-signing Butler makes our cap situation much, much, much worse going forward but that wasn't factored into my post.
 
Gronk Brady said:
Dude, you think rounding 28-29% up to 33% is the same as rounding 33% up to 50%... you must have a high IQ... Haha
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CJ makes 25.5% of the cap. You're questioning my IQ when you rounded 25.5 to 33 I stead of 25 after questioning me about my knowledge of math (trust me, you don't wanna go there). Comical.
 
hoopsjock said:
Gronk, I did the exact math. It's 25% not 33%. I don't mind your stance lets just not exaggerate.
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My quote was nearly 1/3 over the next 3 seasons... his salary goes up to 28 then 29 the next 2 seasons... so yeah, I exaggerated a bit... maybe I should have said near 30% instead of 1/3... still a shitty use of the cap
 
BonesJones said:
CJ makes 25.5% of the cap. You're questioning my IQ when you rounded 25.5 to 33 I stead of 25 after questioning me about my knowledge of math (trust me, you don't wanna go there). Comical.
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If you read my post I said over the next 3 seasons, and maybe I should have said 3/10 instead of 1/3, either way still shitty use of cap... and unless you got a PhD in mathematics I guarantee I have more credentials in the math department
 
Gronk Brady said:
If you read my post I said over the next 3 seasons, and maybe I should have said 3/10 instead of 1/3, either way still shitty use of cap... and unless you got a PhD in mathematics I guarantee I have more credentials in the math department
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25% = 1/4.
 
hoopsjock said:
My response was directed towards the idea that Portland would be in better shape with Butler leaving and CJ's contract off the roster.

Re-signing Butler makes our cap situation much, much, much worse going forward but that wasn't factored into my post.
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Definitely makes our cap situation much worse but if it works out, makes our championship aspirations much, much better.
 
Gronk Brady said:
I was assuming cap stayed around same... if those are the cap numbers then I was wrong... but 25% is not much better...
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Those are the projections, I'm just arguing the math for the hell of it.
 
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