Jimmy Butler wants out? (He does.)

[beast blazer]

If we traded cj for butler and butler walked, we'd still be have gotten out of cj contract. And it's possible butler would stay like Paul george.

 

[dviss1]

Butler plays harder so is more likely to get injured. CJ plays hard on the offensive side but on defense, you don't have to watch long to see he's either taking breaks or some other equally poor reason for such poor defense.

Sure, ALL of Thib's players "play harder"....

 

[dviss1]

If we traded cj for butler and butler walked, we'd still be have gotten out of cj contract. And it's possible butler would stay like Paul george.

"Gotten out of cj contract" = Losing CJ for nothing.

Losing CJ for nothing = STUPID.

 

[Scalma]

"Gotten out of cj contract" = Losing CJ for nothing.

Losing CJ for nothing = STUPID.

So the trade the raptors made was stupid? Same concept.

 

[dviss1]

So the trade the raptors made was stupid? Same concept.

Stop acting like butler is anything like PG or Kawhi.

I don't trust him. He's blown up 2 teams.

He's literally Team Obliterator.

 

[Scalma]

Stop acting like butler is anything like PG or Kawhi.

I don't trust him. He's blown up 2 teams.

He's literally Team Obliterator.

The concept is still the same. And unlike Kawhi, I’ve read nothing about Butler being dead set on any specific team. The only teams on his “list” were teams with cap space to sign him.

And CJ isn’t DeRozan. Butler is the best two way SG in the league imo, and a top 15 player.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Stop acting like butler is anything like PG or Kawhi.

I don't trust him. He's blown up 2 teams.

He's literally Team Obliterator.

I think Butler is right about his teammates, but I also think he’s extremely selfish and a couple months ago I would have traded CJ to get him, but at this point I wouldnt. He left Chicago in shambles and him and Thibs seem to be doing the same now in Minnesota.

 

[dviss1]

The concept is still the same. And unlike Kawhi, I’ve read nothing about Butler being dead set on any specific team. The only teams on his “list” were teams with cap space to sign him.

And CJ isn’t DeRozan. Butler is the best two way SG in the league imo, and a top 15 player.

Frankly, I don't need help understanding the concept...

Butler, Kawhi, and PG are not cut from the same cloth.

Lastly, the jury's still out on the Kawhi trade. He ain't re-signed yet...

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Frankly, I don't need help understanding the concept...

Butler, Kawhi, and PG are not cut from the same cloth.

Lastly, the jury's still out on the Kawhi trade. He ain't re-signed yet...

From a fan stand point, if NO did pull the trigger and trade CJ, even if I dont think they should. Id at least respect the risk he took.

 

[H.C.]

From a fan stand point, if NO did pull the trigger and trade CJ, even if I dont think they should. Id at least respect the risk he too.

I'd call for his job much more loudly if Butler walked for nothing or resigned and was perma injured.
Many people did the same thing for Aldridge, Roy, Oden AA.
'You're supposed to get something out of star player trade them.'
'GM's job is to know if a player will stay or not'.
'GM's job is to know if a player is going to get injured before you trade for him.'

Many of these arguments were made on this forum by the same posters calling for CJ to be traded for Butler.

 

[dviss1]

From a fan stand point, if NO did pull the trigger and trade CJ, even if I dont think they should. Id at least respect the risk he too.

If we trade CJ for a 60-65 game rental of Butler, at a time when his value is at an all time low, I'm gonna be pissed.

 

[Scalma]

Lastly, the jury's still out on the Kawhi trade. He ain't re-signed yet...

So is Toronto better or not? They look like a legit contender to make the finals to me. So what if we “lose” CJ, can’t be great without taking risks. With Butler I see Portland as the second best team in the West.

You can think whatever you want about Butler the person, but to question his impact and ability as a player is non sense. Look at Minnesota’s record with and without him. He dragged that sorry franchise into the playoffs on his back last year and was in the MVP conversation before he got hurt.

 

[dviss1]

So is Toronto better or not? They look like a legit contender to make the finals to me. So what if we “lose” CJ, can’t be great without taking risks. With Butler I see Portland as the second best team in the West.

You can think whatever you want about Butler the person, but to question his impact and ability as a player is non sense. Look at Minnesota’s record with and without him. He dragged that sorry franchise into the playoffs on his back last year and was in the MVP conversation before he got hurt.

They look like shit if he leaves.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I'd call for his job much more loudly if Butler walked for nothing or resigned and was perma injured.
Many people did the same thing for Aldridge, Roy, Oden AA.
'You're supposed to get something out of star player trade them.'
'GM's job is to know if a player will stay or not'.
'GM's job is to know if a player is going to get injured before you trade for him.'

Many of these arguments were made on this forum by the same posters calling for CJ to be traded for Butler.

Well the only way they get to where there competing with GS is if they get butler without trading CJ. A couple months ago, I wouldve been ok with trading CJ for butler but at this point, No thanks.

 

[H.C.]

So is Toronto better or not? They look like a legit contender to make the finals to me. So what if we “lose” CJ, can’t be great without taking risks. With Butler I see Portland as the second best team in the West.

You can think whatever you want about Butler the person, but to question his impact and ability as a player is non sense. Look at Minnesota’s record with and without him. He dragged that sorry franchise into the playoffs on his back last year and was in the MVP conversation before he got hurt.

Tor looks like the exact same team they did last year. Shitting on people in the regular season.
We'll see if Leonard being on the team means the other players in the rotation actually show up when the playoffs roll around.
Or if it's more of the same.

 

[dviss1]

but to question his impact and ability as a player is non sense.

When you debate, try not putting words in people's mouths...

 

[dviss1]

And CJ isn’t DeRozan. Butler is the best two way SG in the league imo, and a top 15 player.

You just called DeRozan a 2 way player....

You can't do that and expect to be taken seriously...

He's NEVER been a good defender...

 

[Scalma]

You just called DeRozan a 2 way player....

You can't do that and expect to be taken seriously...

He's NEVER been a good defender...

Read it again.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

If we trade CJ for a 60-65 game rental of Butler, at a time when his value is at an all time low, I'm gonna be pissed.

I wouldnt do it but Im not sure how Id feel about it. I think the Blazers off season moves all seemed like they were looking for possible CJ replacements. In fact when Ive seen Simons play he moves with a similar fluidity that CJ does (Im not saying he’s as good).
I think CJ’s a very good NBA scorer and if you move him its gotta be for the right deal, and now that Jimmy seems to be in wreck it ralph mode on his team I dont think this would be the right deal.
If internally they’re seeing something they like from Simons, Trent Jr, Stauskus and can go out and make a move using CJ to get better Im kind of ok with that.

 

[e_blazer]

Is Butler the only player in the NBA that the Blazers could possibly trade for? If, and it’s a big IF for me, the decision was made to trade CJ, I would be a lot happier trading for a good player who has more than one season left on his contract, has been consistently healthy, and who hasn’t made noise about wanting to play in NY. I’ve never seen such tunnel vision in my life.

A trade for Butler can only work out well if he proves to be this great fit that some of you think he will be and he is happy enough to re- sign here. Otherwise, you’ve wasted a valuable player and trade asset, you still have zero cap space, and you’ve pissed off Dame by trading away his friend and getting zilch in return. I guess once he demands a trade then maybe we end up with some actual cap space and can begin a rebuild so that maybe in five years the team can be as good as it is right now. Maybe.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Is Butler the only player in the NBA that the Blazers could possibly trade for? If, and it’s a big IF for me, the decision was made to trade CJ, I would be a lot happier trading for a good player who has more than one season left on his contract, has been consistently healthy, and who hasn’t made noise about wanting to play in NY. I’ve never seen such tunnel vision in my life.

A trade for Butler can only work out well if he proves to be this great fit that some of you think he will be and he is happy enough to re- sign here. Otherwise, you’ve wasted a valuable player and trade asset, you still have zero cap space, and you’ve pissed off Dame by trading away his friend and getting zilch in return. I guess once he demands a trade then maybe we end up with some actual cap space and can begin a rebuild so that maybe in five years the team can be as good as it is right now. Maybe.

Well lets say they trade for Butler whether its for CJ or not, they will either lose everything they traded for nothing at the end of the year. Or be stuck signing a guy to a huge contract that has played a full season once and has been under the thibs rule of we play them til they drop for most of his career. Both of those things scare me, and thats not even getting into the is he going to come in and actually be a decent team mate, is he going to allow Dame to lead, all that...

 

[e_blazer]

Well lets say they trade for Butler whether its for CJ or not, they will either lose everything they traded for nothing at the end of the year. Or be stuck signing a guy to a huge contract that has played a full season once and has been under the thibs rule of we play them til they drop for most of his career. Both of those things scare me, and thats not even getting into the is he going to come in and actually be a decent team mate, is he going to allow Dame to lead, all that...

Oh, I agree. There are so many ways it could turn into a total flaming pile of dog shit of a disaster that it’s almost laughable that anyone would seriously think about parting with a good asset to make it happen.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Oh, I agree. There are so many ways it could turn into a total flaming pile of dog shit of a disaster that it’s almost laughable that anyone would seriously think about parting with a good asset to make it happen.

Yeah I admit a couple months ago, I thought it was an ok idea, but Ive basically 180’d on the idea... I know Butlers good, but he isnt THAT good.

 

[hoopsjock]

If we traded cj for butler and butler walked, we'd still be have gotten out of cj contract. And it's possible butler would stay like Paul george.

You should really try reading the thread before posting or at least some of the recent comments...

We'd still have almost $100 million in salary with only 9 players. Those 9 don't include Stauskas, Curry, Aminu, Layman, and Baldwin.

Projected Cap in 2019-20: $109 million

Current Draft Position (obviously subject to change): 22nd which is roughly $2 million for next year.

That gives us less than $9 million dollars in cap space to re-sign/replace 2 starters (Butler and Aminu) and 3 rotation guys (Stauskas, Curry, and Layman who is starting but only out of necessity I think). If Butler walks then Aminu and Layman are the only two of those guys we have Bird Rights to go over the cap to re-sign. Baldwin we'd have Early Bird Rights but not full.

So looking ahead to the roster for next year:
Dame
Turner
Harkless
Collins
Nurk
Leonard
Simons
Swanigan
Trent
#22 Pick

We'd have 5 spots to fill with not a lot of options. Tax wise it's obviously a much better place to be in but overall talent on the roster it would be hard to possibly lose half of our rotation. With a couple of really good moves it could work out but for those thinking we are currently wasting Dame's prime going down this road seems more likely to turn out to be an even bigger waste.

 

[hoopsjock]

It sounds like instead of trying to attach Dieng to Butler the Wolves would rather try and dump Wiggins. Too bad Wiggins sucks and gives no effort.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

It sounds like instead of trying to attach Dieng to Butler the Wolves would rather try and dump Wiggins. Too bad Wiggins sucks and gives no effort.

Do you think guys are who they are at wiggins point in his career? You think Dame could take wiggins and get more out of him? Nurkic was considered basically a guy who quit and got fat and didnt care, Dame helped him turn around his career pretty quick.

 

[hoopsjock]

Do you think guys are who they are at wiggins point in his career? You think Dame could take wiggins and get more out of him? Nurkic was considered basically a guy who quit and got fat and didnt care, Dame helped him turn around his career pretty quick.

Man I don't know, he's only 23 so you would think he could snap out of it at some point but I saw the same issues back at Kansas. He just stops playing sometimes. This is the 1st year of a 5 year, $146.5 million contract, no way he's worth even half of that.

He literally has no elite skills other than his size and athleticism which are being wasted because he's lazy.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Man I don't know, he's only 23 so you would think he could snap out of it at some point but I saw the same issues back at Kansas. He just stops playing sometimes. This is the 1st year of a 5 year, $146.5 million contract, no way he's worth even half of that.

He literally has no elite skills other than his size and athleticism which are being wasted because he's lazy.

Yeah his agent must be amazing, cause every time I see the numbers on that contract I just dont understand why minnesota did that...

 

[Scalma]

I don’t think Wiggins is lazy, just passive. He reminded me of Batum in that department when I saw him at the hoop summit. I don’t think Thibs is the right coach for him either. I think he would do much better under someone who empowers their players more. Someone like Stevens, Stotts, etc.

 

[hoopsjock]

I don’t think Wiggins is lazy, just passive. He reminded me of Batum in that department when I saw him at the hoop summit. I don’t think Thibs is the right coach for him either. I think he would do much better under someone who empowers their players more. Someone like Stevens, Stotts, etc.

I don't watch a lot of T-Wolves games but just about every single one I've seen I'd say he was lazy. Read through the Wolves message boards on The Other Side thread. It's universal on there that he is lazy.