Zombie Joakim Noah

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With his advanced age and injury issues, he would have to come really cheap for me to consider it personally.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Been pumping the idea of Noah for a bit now. I feel like he can be our version of Bogut. A 25 mpg rim protector and passer who can be a vet presence. Would be huge for us.
And I bet he'd come for cheap. Relatively.
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With the pincer movement of his Florida teammate Noah and his compatriot Montero, Horford would find Portland's siren song IRRESISTIBLE.
 
Denny Crane said:
It costs nothing to acquire him. You have to pay any player, obviously.
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I honestly dont know, and maybe the cap raising is squashing my thought, but $13 mill a season seems high and Im thinking we can find a better fit to the roster for that type of money.
 
Even if we gave him a haircut, you still have to watch that gawd awful shot when the hack a Noah came. Don't need it.
 
Just what we need....an old injury prone big who can't really shoot...I'd keep Kaman before I took that risk...if I wanted an older Bulls player I'd go for Pau
 
When healthy, he's a much better defensive player than we have at C. Unlike most of our bigs, he can score on the drive from top of the key and finish with either hand. He's an elite passing C - averaged 3.8 APG in just 21 MPG last year, or 6.2 per 36 (along with 14.5 rebounds/36 and 1.6 blocks/36.

I wouldn't pay him $13M. Maybe someone will. Or maybe he can do the 1 year player option on a lesser deal and we could score him as a UFA that way.
 
Would he beat out Davis or Plumlee on the depth chart? Denny says he can finish near the rim, but he shot 43% 0-3 last year, which is beyond pathetic. If you remember how much Mason missed in close during the playoffs, that was a 53% performance.

I haven't seen him much lately, but $13 mil and I don't see him as an upgrade over Davis or Plumlee.
 
Sinobas said:
I haven't seen him much lately, but $13 mil and I don't see him as an upgrade over Davis or Plumlee.
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He's like the best of both worlds: height and passing skills of Plumlee, defensive and rebounding skills of Davis.



 
I wonder if he is fond enough of his college coach to end up with OKC.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I wonder if he is fond enough of his college coach to end up with OKC.
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Their front line is crowded as is. Kanter played less than 10 mins last night. Don't think Noah is quite ready for that big a decline in PT.

Besides, they don't have the $ to get him, especially if he gets close to 10 mil as I expect.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
He's like the best of both worlds: height and passing skills of Plumlee, defensive and rebounding skills of Davis.

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What about with his injuries though? Davis converted 66% of his shots 0-3 compared to Noahs 43%.
 
Sinobas said:
Would he beat out Davis or Plumlee on the depth chart? Denny says he can finish near the rim, but he shot 43% 0-3 last year, which is beyond pathetic. If you remember how much Mason missed in close during the playoffs, that was a 53% performance.

I haven't seen him much lately, but $13 mil and I don't see him as an upgrade over Davis or Plumlee.
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One year. Is it an aberration?

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Serious Question: If his game hasn't deteriorated, why was he coming off the bench? If it was because of injuries, why was he so pissed about it?
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Serious Question: If his game hasn't deteriorated, why was he coming off the bench? If it was because of injuries, why was he so pissed about it?
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First, that's two questions.
Second, he's coming off the bench because of the new coach Fred Hoiberg. Hoiberg made that decision before the season.
Third, that's why he's pissed.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
First, that's two questions.
Second, he's coming off the bench because of the new coach Fred Hoiberg. Hoiberg made that decision before the season.
Third, that's why he's pissed.
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Third: so you're saying...
Second: that Hoiberg thinks...
First: he sucks.

Zeroth: Hoiberg probably knows more than I do.
Negative First: Denny Crane, what's the scoop?
Denny Crane said:
A nonquote to get Denny's attention, because this isn't fb
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Wizard Mentor said:
Third: so you're saying...
Second: that Hoiberg thinks...
First: he sucks.
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Maybe he does, but that doesn't follow from what he did. He just has a different vision for the starting five. Noah was the key player for Bulls teams that focused on Defense above all. Y'know, the Bulls teams that were good.
Noah is definitely a player who won't work with every system. If you want your center to be a scorer who goes one-on-one in the post then he's not your guy. But his passing skills would seem to make him a good fit with a Stotts system and a defensive upgrade. I think Ed Davis got fewer minutes than his productive play would seem to merit because of his offensive ineptitude (in contrast to Plumlee, who was inferior defensively).

Boris Diaw and Draymond Green are recent examples of players who flourished in the right system but weren't the cup of tea of other coaches. Kevin Love too (apart from the past two games).
 
Denny Crane said:
One year. Is it an aberration?

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But the prior year it was very low as well, at 51%. His career numbers are not even good, perhaps he's on a downhill slope because of injury?

It's frustrating to have a center that doesn't even finish inside well. I haven't haven't seen him play much, so not sure what his deal is, but the numbers do not look good.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
Third: so you're saying...
Second: that Hoiberg thinks...
First: he sucks.

Zeroth: Hoiberg probably knows more than I do.
Negative First: Denny Crane, what's the scoop?
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The Bulls invested a lot of political capital smearing Thibs to excuse firing him. Under Thibs, Noah had a brilliant season and wasn't hurt. DPOY and 1st team All NBA.

Management has routinely tried to limit Noah's minutes. Paxson was promoted out of the way after physical confrontation with Del Negro over Noah's minutes.

Like the Warriors, resting guys in the regular season means healthy team for playoffs. Looks more like player injuries are random and resting in the regular season will lead to GSW not making the finals.

Noah had knee surgery two summers ago. His play suffered last year from it. Maybe he's done. Maybe it takes more than a year to rehab fully (my guess).

Hoiberg didn't play him because Thibs played him with Pau. Led to 50 wins, but Thibs has to be smeared. No doubt Noah would play if he was a stretch 4/5.

Hoiball has been a miserable failure so far. Hoiberg went Thibs and rode the defense to wins. Noah got much bigger minutes for a few games before going down for the rest of the season.

He played out of position at PF next to Pau. That clearly hurt his stats the last two years.

No doubt that even hurting , he was the heart and soul of the team and anchored the D.

The risk is he's done. I would make sure he can run and jump before making a big offer.

If he pans out, I see no reason he can't play a few more years at a high level.
 
PLEASE SIGN THIS MAN WHILE HE'S STILL AVAILABLE.
He had a surprisingly good comeback last season.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
PLEASE SIGN THIS MAN WHILE HE'S STILL AVAILABLE.
He had a surprisingly good comeback last season.
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Id love a player that played with his passion. We really need someone like him, but I can't stand the dude when he opens his mouth.

Reluctantly, I say go get him.
 
tester551 said:
Id love a player that played with his passion. We really need someone like him, but I can't stand the dude when he opens his mouth.
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there's an easy solution:


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