Joe Cronin vs. Dame Dolla

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Who has handled this the right way? (What team are you?)

  • Team Cronin

    Votes: 28 53.8%

  • Team Dame

    Votes: 4 7.7%

  • Neither have handled it right

    Votes: 16 30.8%

  • Both have handled it right

    Votes: 2 3.8%

  • Team Jacob

    Votes: 2 3.8%
  • Total voters
    52
OneSport3 said:
My theory is that everything changed once we moved up to #3 in the lottery. It changed even more when the possibility of CHA taking Brandon Miller was real resulting in Scoot falling in our laps. I think they still tried to shop the #3 pick and assets but realized that that teams weren’t offering good packages. Brooklyn didn’t want to trade Mikal, Zion was never offered, Boston wasn’t trading Brown and Masai Ujiri was being Masai Ujiri. They realized they would have to massively overpay to get anything done. At this point, I believe ownership pivoted and decide to rebuild with the young guys.

I don’t understand why Cronin is getting all the blame. He definitely did not act unilaterally. I think when the decision to keep or trade your franchise GOAT, this goes all the way up to ownership. This all reeks of Jody/Bert. What owner would idly watch while their GM ran out your franchise player? Do you think Mark Cuban would let Nico Harrison run Luka out without intervening? Do you think Mat Ishbia would let James Jones trade Devin Booker without his approval?
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Welcome, rook! First quality post you’ve had and I completely agree.

(I’m kidding - just thought I’d needle HCP and his posse of haters all at the same time, FAMS. But I do completely agree and it was a quality post.)
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
Hawaii been good for the soul, brah. I checked outta so much unhealthy shit in my life.

The people I’m meeting are authentic kind souls. The wife and I opened our home to so many people, lone wolves, “stray dogs”, people in need, etc. For years. And when the coin flipped, not many were not there to reciprocate. We just needed to get to a place that finds us peace and I’ve found a certain level of it. Shit, there’s a highly-popular Buddhist Monastery in my neighborhood. I heavily believe in a lot of their teachings, so it’s been a solid experience thus far.
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You invite wolves and dogs but not cats?

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I love Dame….
This is breaking my heart.
But I'm in camp Cronin.
Without knowing the details of conversations behind closed doors, this is lame.
Publicly, Joe has said the right things.
To say early that they will go young without trying to please dame is suicide.
Dame has forced Cronin into a corner.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Clearly one of them was OG.
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The Bam one could've been too. Everyone knew Bam was unavailable, especially for a draft pick. But there was that report of Cronin "trying" by offering 3 for Bam.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Clyde Drexler described his situation as "I looked around and they traded our center. We didn't have a center." That's when he asked for a trade.

“They got rid of Kevin Duckworth, and I was like ‘Hold up guys, we don't have a center,'” he said. “And then they started saying, ‘We need to rebuild. We need to trade some of these veterans while they can still play so that we can get something for them.' And that's when I orchestrated the trade to Houston. But if they had not done that, I would have finished my career there.”

Cronin didn't trade the center. He didn't trade the power forward. He didn't trade the shooting guard. The only starter he traded was Josh Hart, who became a bench player for New York and might not have stayed in Portland.
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Well that's because it happened a year earlier. Last year he traded the power forward, the small forward, the shooting guard, and the backup big man.
 
wizenheimer said:
that's pretty interesting....and it does put a very different spin on the situation

I can see how, from Dame's perspective, and his agent's perspective, that could make Cronin appear like a liar. I'd imagine Joe has a different slant....like he was just laying out optimistic options. But optimistic can't be divorced from realistic otherwise it's just more bullshit

and while it probably doesn't excuse all the things coming out of Dame's camp, it could certainly make Dame feel justified in playing hardball and not caring about how his tactics damaged the Blazer options

I'm pretty certain that Dame did not trust Olshey, at all. And I'm thinking Dame didn't trust Jody & the Vulcans. And probably believes they mislead him for years. If he was at the point of not trusting Cronin, there was really nobody in the Blazer organization he could count on. This could get ugly and the notion of going into the season with Dame still a Blazer is a bad idea

if what you said is true, I think a lot of the Dame-bashing around here is off-base
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I know my opinion is in the minority on this forum, but I truly believe this. I think it may be worse in that Cronin and/or ownership wanted to go the young route but didn't want to look like the bad guy in this situation. After Cronin preached "transparency" numerous times, it would feel like a stab in the back to Dame if Cronin was lying to him. It also seems like Cronin is trying hard to control the narrative through the media.

Regardless of if this is the right move on paper or not, I can't stand the way the front office has handled this. As someone who's been ride or die with Dame and wanted the organization to give him the same loyalty back, it seems to me like they spit on that and lied to him in the process of replacing him while trying to make Dame out as the bad guy. That's nauseating to me. If the people running this organization would do that to Dame, they'd do it to anyone.

I hope we find out the truth, no matter what it is. But that doesn't seem possible unless Dame comes out and says his entire side of the story. But even then, it's his word against Cronin's.

Jody needs to sell the team, and the new owner needs to bring in a new GM. We need our own Mat Ishbia.
 
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SlyPokerDog said:
Fuck it.

This is what I heard from a very good source...

The meeting with Cronin, Dame and his agent Joe talked about multiple trades and deals they were working on. Some really big ones that would move the needle and make the Blazers contenders. But when Dame's agent called those teams and asked the teams about those proposals those teams had already turned the Blazers down.

Dame and his agent know deals get talked about and nothing ever happens but Dame and his agent got frustrated because Joe was talking about possible deals that he was working on that in fact were never going to happen.
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Could totally see that happening. But if that’s the case, why did the reporting come out that Dame knew 26 Jun he was asking out?

(and pedantically—if the other teams hadn’t “turned them down” the deal would be done. If it hasn’t been consummated it’s still “working”. I’m sure if you called Cronin today and said ‘is Dame for the pu pu platter going to happen?” He’d say no. But it’s still “working”. And that’s just one.

(and great point about agents and GMs not incentivized to push absolute truth.)
 
Time for Blazers to go scorched earth. If Dame won't go anywhere else, publicize that we want to get deals done with different teams and let everyone see what a baby Dame is being. If he doesn't play for us (hopefully the case) withhold his pay. We know he's thrifty as hell and that situation wouldn't last long.
 
blazerfan11 said:
Depends on what the Blazers get in return.
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They aren't getting Bam or Butler. An additional pick or second rounder is all that they can muster. They don't have much and that's not going to magically change. Boston can offer much more.
 
Strenuus said:
So how is dame winning that if he's pigeonholing us? Granted we don't know the return yet but dame hasn't been doing us any favors.
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Stren, Im really not that concerned about who win and loses in this situation. Both have had opportunities that they missed on and both are still in the game as a profession. As Prop has mentioned its should be about fairness then move on.
If you think Dame has pigeon holed us thats your right, but Dame, as a team star has been about as good a citizen & local representative this team has ever had and I dont see how he alone is the culprit in this standoff? Dame has always come across as reasonable and helpful when it comes to addressing things. Im thinking he has given the team a list of 2-4 teams which would be always reasonable, but it's ok for him to have a preferred destination.
I Still think he will end up in Miami and we will get a decent return.
 
AmirIcon said:
They aren't getting Bam or Butler. An additional pick or second rounder is all that they can muster. They don't have much and that's not going to magically change. Boston can offer much more.
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If the "staredown" results in Jovic and JJJ's inclusions, as well as Herro (and Duncan and/or Lowry) being redirected elsewhere before the deal is consummated, then we can give Cronin credit for holding out for a quality deal.
 
Hoopguru said:
Stren, Im really not that concerned about who win and loses in this situation. Both have had opportunities that they missed on and both are still in the game as a profession. As Prop has mentioned its should be about fairness then move on.
If you think Dame has pigeon holed us thats your right, but Dame, as a team star has been about as good a citizen & local representative this team has ever had and I dont see how he alone is the culprit in this standoff? Dame has always come across as reasonable and helpful when it comes to addressing things. Im thinking he has given the team a list of 2-4 teams which would be always reasonable, but it's ok for him to have a preferred destination.
I Still think he will end up in Miami and we will get a decent return.
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PtldPlatypus said:
If the "staredown" results in Jovic and JJJ's inclusions, as well as Herro (and Duncan and/or Lowry) being redirected elsewhere before the deal is consummated, then we can give Cronin credit for holding out for a quality deal.
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I think this all happens. dame will go to Miami and we will get a decent return via third party inclusion.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
If the "staredown" results in Jovic and JJJ's inclusions, as well as Herro (and Duncan and/or Lowry) being redirected elsewhere before the deal is consummated, then we can give Cronin credit for holding out for a quality deal.
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Boston is prepared to give us Jaylen Brown and you're talking about the likes of Duncan and Lowry? Those guys aren't worth anything, my guy.

Why would we give credit for that?
 
AmirIcon said:
Boston is prepared to give us Jaylen Brown and you're talking about the likes of Duncan and Lowry? Those guys aren't worth anything, my guy.

Why would we give credit for that?
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Is that legit that Boston is offering us Jaylen Brown? Cronin would be a fool not to take it.
 
AmirIcon said:
Boston is prepared to give us Jaylen Brown and you're talking about the likes of Duncan and Lowry? Those guys aren't worth anything, my guy.

Why would we give credit for that?
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Again, I would only give credit if we don't receive Duncan or Lowry, and instead end up with picks and prospects.

I honestly don't know how legit the Jaylen Brown trade rumors are, but I'm not sure I'd want him anyway, considering he's only got 1-year remaining on his existing deal. I'd have no confidence that he'd remain here, or that Cronin would be able to return decent value for him at the deadline. If the suggested 3-way deals sending Brown to Houston for picks/prospects (including Thompson) are in fact valid, then that would be fantastic, but all of that is only speculated; there's no legit reason to assume any of that is actually available.
 
MickZagger said:
Is that legit that Boston is offering us Jaylen Brown? Cronin would be a fool not to take it.
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They've been trying to trade him for a star forever and he's been eligible for an extension since July 1st. They would 100% give Brown for Lillard and Tatum has been recruiting.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Again, I would only give credit if we don't receive Duncan or Lowry, and instead end up with picks and prospects.

I honestly don't know how legit the Jaylen Brown trade rumors are, but I'm not sure I'd want him anyway, considering he's only got 1-year remaining on his existing deal. I'd have no confidence that he'd remain here, or that Cronin would be able to return decent value for him at the deadline. If the suggested 3-way deals sending Brown to Houston for picks/prospects (including Thompson) are in fact valid, then that would be fantastic, but all of that is only speculated; there's no legit reason to assume any of that is actually available.
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We wouldn't take Brown, we would send him to a team he'd like to go to like Houston who can give us young talent like Amen Thompson, Jabari Smith and or Tari Eason.
 
AmirIcon said:
We wouldn't take Brown, we would send him to a team he'd like to go to like Houston who can give us young talent like Amen Thompson, Jabari Smith and or Tari Eason.
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I would agree that a deal sending Dame to Boston and returning Amen and Eason (along with other pieces) would probably be better than anything we could get from Miami, but I remain dubious that that is actually available.
 
AmirIcon said:
We wouldn't take Brown, we would send him to a team he'd like to go to like Houston who can give us young talent like Amen Thompson, Jabari Smith and or Tari Eason.
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Boston gets Dame

Houston gets Brown

Blazers get Jabari Smith Jr, Amen Thompson, and Tari Eason

Done deal?
 
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