Johan Santana might be dealt to the Yankees

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>It's possible the Yankees' sudden accumulation of young, cheap talent that would be acquired in both the Randy Johnson and Gary Sheffield deals is leading to a mega-swap with the Twins, who've undoubtedly calculated (and fainted at) the cost of keeping Johan Santana after he becomes a free agent in two years. Cashman's army of youngsters might be the escape the Twins would need, given that Barry Zito is now earning $18 million per year.</div>It's just speculation, but it makes sense. Sanchez, Tabata, Melky, etc. Essentially send them their choice of prospects (minus Hughes who we will not trade). Send 6 or 7 prospects their way, get Johan Santana (and a mega-contract extension waiting for him) in return. Have Santana-Wang as our 1-2 for years to come, Mussina-Pettitte in the short term, and Igawa + Hughes as the future. I still think Igawa ends up in the pen as our future closer though, but if Hughes turns out as he should, a Santana-Wang-Hughes 1-2-3 would be amazing.Santana would likely command a 25-27 mil per year contract for 5 or 6 years. So a 6 year 156 million dollar contract might be just what the doctor ordered.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

Also:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Roger Clemens' agent, Randy Hendricks, has advised him to wait until midseason to return, The New York Times reports. The Yankees will let Clemens make his own timetable, but they are determined not to be outbid for him.The Astros and Red Sox also have interest in Clemens, but Clemens seems to have grown weary of Houston's lack of run support. It would be surprising if Clemens chose to sign with Boston for a lower salary instead of returning to the Yankees, where he could remain teammates with Andy Pettitte, his close friend.</div>Sweet.

 

[GaMeTiMe]

I think Clemens is definite. I think I'd rather have Zambrano over Santana next year, only because we'd be able to hold onto basically our entire future and honestly I like Zambrano's chances of holding up in New York better than Santana's. Gotta love his intensity.Obviously Santana is the better pitcher, so you really can't go wrong either way.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GaMeTiMe @ Jan 5 2007, 09:57 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'> I think Clemens is definite. I think I'd rather have Zambrano over Santana next year, only because we'd be able to hold onto basically our entire future and honestly I like Zambrano's chances of holding up in New York better than Santana's. Gotta love his intensity.Obviously Santana is the better pitcher, so you really can't go wrong either way.</div>True. But why not both? Santana-Zambrano-Wang-Hughes for the future...

 

[GaMeTiMe]

Can't say I wouldn't love that, just a bit unrealistic.

 

[Brooksie5]

You won't get Johan, don't worry. You better just hope Big Z gets to free agency.And you won't deal Hughes for Santana.... good luck getting him then (even though we won't trade him).

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Jan 5 2007, 11:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You won't get Johan, don't worry. You better just hope Big Z gets to free agency.And you won't deal Hughes for Santana.... good luck getting him then (even though we won't trade him).</div>You can't afford the 150+ mil. dollar contract he deserves.

 

[MVPBaller]

Yankees getting Johan???If we get him, we will win the WS!

 

[AdropOFvenom]

Keep Dreaming.Especially at the idea of getting him while keeping Hughes, because they're not going to give up the best pitcher in baseball for a couple of mediocre prospects. We're talking multiple top prospects will be needed.

 

[Brooksie5]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Jan 6 2007, 12:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Jan 5 2007, 11:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You won't get Johan, don't worry. You better just hope Big Z gets to free agency.And you won't deal Hughes for Santana.... good luck getting him then (even though we won't trade him).</div>You can't afford the 150+ mil. dollar contract he deserves.</div>Yeah we can. We have the money, we just don't spend it. But when it comes to it we will spend it to keep Johan. Mauer is reportedly going to get 10 mil a year, Morneau the same probably. Soon, CP will learn he's going to have to spend some money if he's going to turn all of these kids into superstars. Don't worry, we'll keep Johan.

 

[DevinHester23]

All you Yankees fans here need to get your heads out of your asses and realize that Johan and Zambrano are not going to join the Evil Empire

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Jan 6 2007, 09:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>All you Yankees fans here need to get your heads out of your asses and realize that Johan and Zambrano are not going to join the Evil Empire</div>Ben Affleck wannabe.

 

[Nebkreb]

i lvoe that people still refer to us as the Evil Empire, when in the past few years, we've cut down on spending while the Sox have spent more and more. The Sox are just as bad, if not worse because they still act like theyre little guys, when in reality, they spend jsut as much as us

 

[AdropOFvenom]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nebkreb @ Jan 7 2007, 07:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i lvoe that people still refer to us as the Evil Empire, when in the past few years, we've cut down on spending while the Sox have spent more and more. The Sox are just as bad, if not worse because they still act like theyre little guys, when in reality, they spend jsut as much as us</div>The Sox are just as bad, but cut the crap. You're still spending twice as much as the majority of other baseball teams are, if not more.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Jan 7 2007, 09:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nebkreb @ Jan 7 2007, 07:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i lvoe that people still refer to us as the Evil Empire, when in the past few years, we've cut down on spending while the Sox have spent more and more. The Sox are just as bad, if not worse because they still act like theyre little guys, when in reality, they spend jsut as much as us</div>The Sox are just as bad, but cut the crap. You're still spending twice as much as the majority of other baseball teams are, if not more.</div>You are pretty much blaming Starbucks for being successful and having the money to set up stores right down the street from each other. Being successful isn't a crime you know. I don't want the Yankees to cut their payroll in half, I want the Cubs, Mets, Giants, Twins, Angels, and Dodgers to all spend more. I DO want the Yankees to be more prospect and youth friendly, just to clarify, but while the Yankees might be the richest team, the teams I just listed definitely aren't poor. In fact the Twins' ownership has almost 10 times the money that the Yankees ownership has in it's pockets. The fact that they haven't spent much is a crime.

 

[DevinHester23]

^Same w/ the Cubs. For years, we feed the cash cow all this money and they pocketed it. Only in the last few years have they started spending it, and finally they started spending it the way we want them to

 

[AdropOFvenom]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Jan 7 2007, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^Same w/ the Cubs. For years, we feed the cash cow all this money and they pocketed it. Only in the last few years have they started spending it, and finally they started spending it the way we want them to</div>You mean by grossly overpaying for mediocre players like Ted Lilly and Jason Marquis? :whistling:

 

[Brooksie5]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Jan 7 2007, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Jan 7 2007, 09:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nebkreb @ Jan 7 2007, 07:41 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i lvoe that people still refer to us as the Evil Empire, when in the past few years, we've cut down on spending while the Sox have spent more and more. The Sox are just as bad, if not worse because they still act like theyre little guys, when in reality, they spend jsut as much as us</div>The Sox are just as bad, but cut the crap. You're still spending twice as much as the majority of other baseball teams are, if not more.</div>You are pretty much blaming Starbucks for being successful and having the money to set up stores right down the street from each other. Being successful isn't a crime you know. I don't want the Yankees to cut their payroll in half, I want the Cubs, Mets, Giants, Twins, Angels, and Dodgers to all spend more. I DO want the Yankees to be more prospect and youth friendly, just to clarify, but while the Yankees might be the richest team, the teams I just listed definitely aren't poor. In fact the Twins' ownership has almost 10 times the money that the Yankees ownership has in it's pockets. The fact that they haven't spent much is a crime.</div>Why is it a crime? Winning the AL Central 4 of the past 5 years, even without spending Yankee money is bad? We can be successful with our players, and without spending money.. I don't see how that's a crime. I don't think the way the Yankees do thing is a crime, I think it's stupid, but that may be because I'm not used to it.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

[quote name='Brooksie5' post='80173' date='Jan 7 2007, 11:44 AM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='80162' date='Jan 7 2007, 12:23 PM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='80156' date='Jan 7 2007, 09:00 AM'][quote name='Nebkreb' post='80154' date='Jan 7 2007, 07:41 AM']i lvoe that people still refer to us as the Evil Empire, when in the past few years, we've cut down on spending while the Sox have spent more and more. The Sox are just as bad, if not worse because they still act like theyre little guys, when in reality, they spend jsut as much as us[/quote]The Sox are just as bad, but cut the crap. You're still spending twice as much as the majority of other baseball teams are, if not more.[/quote]You are pretty much blaming Starbucks for being successful and having the money to set up stores right down the street from each other. Being successful isn't a crime you know. I don't want the Yankees to cut their payroll in half, I want the Cubs, Mets, Giants, Twins, Angels, and Dodgers to all spend more. I DO want the Yankees to be more prospect and youth friendly, just to clarify, but while the Yankees might be the richest team, the teams I just listed definitely aren't poor. In fact the Twins' ownership has almost 10 times the money that the Yankees ownership has in it's pockets. The fact that they haven't spent much is a crime.[/quote]Why is it a crime? Winning the AL Central 4 of the past 5 years, even without spending Yankee money is bad? We can be successful with our players, and without spending money.. I don't see how that's a crime. I don't think the way the Yankees do thing is a crime, I think it's stupid, but that may be because I'm not used to it.[/quote]Because they complain ab out not having all the pieces when they could easily afford the last couple pieces to the puzzle.

 

[Brooksie5]

[quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='80175' date='Jan 7 2007, 01:48 PM'][quote name='Brooksie5' post='80173' date='Jan 7 2007, 11:44 AM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='80162' date='Jan 7 2007, 12:23 PM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='80156' date='Jan 7 2007, 09:00 AM'][quote name='Nebkreb' post='80154' date='Jan 7 2007, 07:41 AM']i lvoe that people still refer to us as the Evil Empire, when in the past few years, we've cut down on spending while the Sox have spent more and more. The Sox are just as bad, if not worse because they still act like theyre little guys, when in reality, they spend jsut as much as us[/quote]The Sox are just as bad, but cut the crap. You're still spending twice as much as the majority of other baseball teams are, if not more.[/quote]You are pretty much blaming Starbucks for being successful and having the money to set up stores right down the street from each other. Being successful isn't a crime you know. I don't want the Yankees to cut their payroll in half, I want the Cubs, Mets, Giants, Twins, Angels, and Dodgers to all spend more. I DO want the Yankees to be more prospect and youth friendly, just to clarify, but while the Yankees might be the richest team, the teams I just listed definitely aren't poor. In fact the Twins' ownership has almost 10 times the money that the Yankees ownership has in it's pockets. The fact that they haven't spent much is a crime.[/quote]Why is it a crime? Winning the AL Central 4 of the past 5 years, even without spending Yankee money is bad? We can be successful with our players, and without spending money.. I don't see how that's a crime. I don't think the way the Yankees do thing is a crime, I think it's stupid, but that may be because I'm not used to it.[/quote]Because they complain ab out not having all the pieces when they could easily afford the last couple pieces to the puzzle.[/quote]No one has complained about anything...

 

[iknobaer]

Maybe you havent noticed, but the Yankees havent done anything in what, the past 5 years playoffs wise. It's been the teams that havent been paying money, have been building a future, and not go out and spend money a shitload of players that have one good year, and then are crap for the rest of their life. Spending money doesnt = a championship.Also, #1, Johan Santana will never reach free agency. He will either be resigned, or traded. It would be stupid to let him reach free agency, because he would get $200mill from either the Yankees or the Red Sox. If he is traded, there is no way in hell he will be traded to a team in the AL. If the Twins decide to trade him, he will go to an NL team, maybe in the East, like to the Mets or something. As for Carlos Zambrano, good luck. He will definately resign with the Cubs. Again, it would be stupid to let someone like this to get to free agency. The only reason Barry Zito could get to free agency was because of the fact that the A's dont spend money. One last thing, if you aren't going to trade Hughes, you aren't going to get Zambrano or Santana. If you offered Sanchez, Tabata, Melky, and even another 3 prospects, both teams would laugh in your face. Even if you added Wang to the offer, they'd laugh in your face. Santana is one of the few players in baseball where it would take probably around 6-7 really awesome players to get him, the other players being Albert Pujols, Ryan Howard, Alex Rodriguez, David Wright, Miguel Cabrera, Zambrano, maybe Miguel Tejada, and maybe Vlad. I can't believe someone on ehre said Santana, Zambrano, Wang. That is the biggest joke I've ever heard in my life. Also, Santana doesnt become a free agent until after the '08 season, so, you Yankee fans still have time to watch him beat your team every year. Maybe you guys will reazlize soon that spending money doesnt always bring in championships. You really think paying Andy Pettite $16mill and Roger Clemens $16mill is going to bring you a 'ship? Dream on.Don't always believe everything you hear, especially when it's Bob Klapisch. Just because he works for ESPN doesn't make him a phsycic. The only person I ever really look forward to what he has to say for baseball is Peter Gammons.

 

[DevinHester23]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Jan 7 2007, 12:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Jan 7 2007, 09:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^Same w/ the Cubs. For years, we feed the cash cow all this money and they pocketed it. Only in the last few years have they started spending it, and finally they started spending it the way we want them to</div>You mean by grossly overpaying for mediocre players like Ted Lilly and Jason Marquis? :whistling:

</div>Marquis is sub-standard crap, and Lilly got what anyone else of his caliber would get on the open market. Heck, Gil Meche got 5/55 from the ROYALS!! But Suppan would have better than Marquis for about the same price

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iknobaer @ Jan 7 2007, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>As for Carlos Zambrano, good luck. He will definately resign with the Cubs. Again, it would be stupid to let someone like this to get to free agency. The only reason Barry Zito could get to free agency was because of the fact that the A's dont spend money.</div>Barry Zito is a 4 this year on the Yankees staff. That's why he hit free agency.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iknobaer @ Jan 7 2007, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>One last thing, if you aren't going to trade Hughes, you aren't going to get Zambrano or Santana. If you offered Sanchez, Tabata, Melky, and even another 3 prospects, both teams would laugh in your face. Even if you added Wang to the offer, they'd laugh in your face.</div>Yes... Sanchez, a future number 2 pitcher, Tabata the hottest young prospect in the minors, Melky a lock-starter now for almost any team and a future starter for someone for the next decade and a half, plus 3 or 4 other prospects wouldn't be enough to get a number 1 pitcher (even with Wang a number 1 pitcher). You are just being a hater here.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iknobaer @ Jan 7 2007, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Santana is one of the few players in baseball where it would take probably around 6-7 really awesome players to get him, the other players being Albert Pujols, Ryan Howard, Alex Rodriguez, David Wright, Miguel Cabrera, Zambrano, maybe Miguel Tejada, and maybe Vlad.</div>You left off Derek Jeter who it would take every prospect in an entire farm system plus multiple major-leaguers to get.

 

[Brooksie5]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Jan 7 2007, 10:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iknobaer @ Jan 7 2007, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>One last thing, if you aren't going to trade Hughes, you aren't going to get Zambrano or Santana. If you offered Sanchez, Tabata, Melky, and even another 3 prospects, both teams would laugh in your face. Even if you added Wang to the offer, they'd laugh in your face.</div>Yes... Sanchez, a future number 2 pitcher, Tabata the hottest young prospect in the minors, Melky a lock-starter now for almost any team and a future starter for someone for the next decade and a half, plus 3 or 4 other prospects wouldn't be enough to get a number 1 pitcher (even with Wang a number 1 pitcher). You are just being a hater here.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iknobaer @ Jan 7 2007, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Santana is one of the few players in baseball where it would take probably around 6-7 really awesome players to get him, the other players being Albert Pujols, Ryan Howard, Alex Rodriguez, David Wright, Miguel Cabrera, Zambrano, maybe Miguel Tejada, and maybe Vlad.</div>You left off Derek Jeter who it would take every prospect in an entire farm system plus multiple major-leaguers to get.</div>Tabata is not the hottest young prospect by any means. He's a good prospect yeah, but he's not the "hottest" prospect.Are you trying to say Derek Jeter has more value than guys like Pujols and Santana? If so, you're crazy.

 

[Jon_Vilma]

[quote name='Brooksie5' post='80249' date='Jan 7 2007, 08:26 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='80245' date='Jan 7 2007, 10:22 PM'][quote name='iknobaer' post='80195' date='Jan 7 2007, 02:26 PM']One last thing, if you aren't going to trade Hughes, you aren't going to get Zambrano or Santana. If you offered Sanchez, Tabata, Melky, and even another 3 prospects, both teams would laugh in your face. Even if you added Wang to the offer, they'd laugh in your face.[/quote]Yes... Sanchez, a future number 2 pitcher, Tabata the hottest young prospect in the minors, Melky a lock-starter now for almost any team and a future starter for someone for the next decade and a half, plus 3 or 4 other prospects wouldn't be enough to get a number 1 pitcher (even with Wang a number 1 pitcher). You are just being a hater here.[quote name='iknobaer' post='80195' date='Jan 7 2007, 02:26 PM']Santana is one of the few players in baseball where it would take probably around 6-7 really awesome players to get him, the other players being Albert Pujols, Ryan Howard, Alex Rodriguez, David Wright, Miguel Cabrera, Zambrano, maybe Miguel Tejada, and maybe Vlad.[/quote]You left off Derek Jeter who it would take every prospect in an entire farm system plus multiple major-leaguers to get.[/quote]Tabata is not the hottest young prospect by any means. He's a good prospect yeah, but he's not the "hottest" prospect.Are you trying to say Derek Jeter has more value than guys like Pujols and Santana? If so, you're crazy.[/quote]If you offered me Santana for Jeter, I would have a really hard time saying yes. And I would turn down a Big Z for Jeter trade.

 

[Brooksie5]

[quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='80257' date='Jan 7 2007, 10:39 PM'][quote name='Brooksie5' post='80249' date='Jan 7 2007, 08:26 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='80245' date='Jan 7 2007, 10:22 PM'][quote name='iknobaer' post='80195' date='Jan 7 2007, 02:26 PM']One last thing, if you aren't going to trade Hughes, you aren't going to get Zambrano or Santana. If you offered Sanchez, Tabata, Melky, and even another 3 prospects, both teams would laugh in your face. Even if you added Wang to the offer, they'd laugh in your face.[/quote]Yes... Sanchez, a future number 2 pitcher, Tabata the hottest young prospect in the minors, Melky a lock-starter now for almost any team and a future starter for someone for the next decade and a half, plus 3 or 4 other prospects wouldn't be enough to get a number 1 pitcher (even with Wang a number 1 pitcher). You are just being a hater here.[quote name='iknobaer' post='80195' date='Jan 7 2007, 02:26 PM']Santana is one of the few players in baseball where it would take probably around 6-7 really awesome players to get him, the other players being Albert Pujols, Ryan Howard, Alex Rodriguez, David Wright, Miguel Cabrera, Zambrano, maybe Miguel Tejada, and maybe Vlad.[/quote]You left off Derek Jeter who it would take every prospect in an entire farm system plus multiple major-leaguers to get.[/quote]Tabata is not the hottest young prospect by any means. He's a good prospect yeah, but he's not the "hottest" prospect.Are you trying to say Derek Jeter has more value than guys like Pujols and Santana? If so, you're crazy.[/quote]If you offered me Santana for Jeter, I would have a really hard time saying yes. And I would turn down a Big Z for Jeter trade.[/quote]Well I think Jeter is more valuable than Jeter, but he's not Johan or Pujols.

 

[iknobaer]

Vilma, you may be one of the most biast yankee fans ever. dont take this as an insult at all, as i do not want to start an argument.my cousin, who is 25, has been a yankee fan all his life and is a DIRE HARD YANKEE fan. but even he knows whats going on. if you are serious that you wouldnt trade jeter for santana, then not only are you biased, but you are stupid(again, dont take it personal). santana is 10 times more valuable then jeter. you can always find a stud hitter, especially with money like the yankees. you cant find the stud pitcher, as im sure you are well aware of, since the yanks dont have one(you could argue wang is, but, one year doenst = awesomeness(example:jamey wright, any other pitcher the yanks have ever signed, etc.)tabata is not the hottest young prospect in the game, or even pitching spec for that matter, there are plenty of pitchers id take before him, you ready?Chad Billingsley - DodgersHomer Bailey - RedsPhilip Hughes - your own freakin teamAnthony Reyes - CardsAdam Lowen - OriolesJason Hirsch - now on the RockiesEdison Volquez - RangersJeff Niemann - DraysMike Pelfrey - IndiansMatt Garza - TwinsAndrew Miller - IndiansScott Elbert - Dodgerseven the Giants Tim Lincecum ranks higher then Tabataas for hitters, dont even get me started, there are probably at least 50 hitters id take before Tabata, lets just start with Delmon Young and Justin Upton.Dude, dont get me wrong, Jeter is hella good, but even my cousin admits that he is the MOST OVERRATED PLAYER IN THE GAME. he is, and there is no way in hell he ranks with albert pujols, ryan howard, etc.sorry, but when you have the most proven player in the game Johan Santana, and you offer a trade with UNPROVEN PROSPECTS, even if they are hella good, you wont get anywhere. Sanchez, Tabata, Hughes, have not proven a thing in the MLB. Wang has had one good year. Melky really dont show that much potential. Sorry dude, if you offered me those 5 guys for Santana, id probably laugh in your face. Next, if you think Igawa is gonan be good, guess again. He is going to get blown up. Don't worry, he may start off 5-0, but once hitters get used to him, say goodnight. Andy Pettite and Roger Clemens are not the answer to bringing your team a championship. Neither is trading Arod. I love how Yanks fans complain when Arod hits .290, has 35hrs, and 130rbis. Every single other team in baseball would take it, even if he hit .260. Come on dude, we all love our teams, but its only to a certain point that you can be so biased.One last thing, "Barry Zito is a 4 this year on the Yankees staff. That's why he hit free agency." Let me get this straight. The Yankees being one of the worst pitching teams in baseball would make Barry Zito their #4 starter? ha!Sorry, another thing, when you said "i lvoe that people still refer to us as the Evil Empire, when in the past few years, we've cut down on spending", you meant been going up right? yeah, ok. this off-season, yeah, ok, you traded RJ, congrats. How much luxury tax did you guys just pay this year? Yeah...

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iknobaer @ Jan 7 2007, 09:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Vilma, you may be one of the most biast yankee fans ever. dont take this as an insult at all, as i do not want to start an argument.my cousin, who is 25, has been a yankee fan all his life and is a DIRE HARD YANKEE fan. but even he knows whats going on. if you are serious that you wouldnt trade jeter for santana, then not only are you biased, but you are stupid(again, dont take it personal). santana is 10 times more valuable then jeter. you can always find a stud hitter, especially with money like the yankees. you cant find the stud pitcher, as im sure you are well aware of, since the yanks dont have one(you could argue wang is, but, one year doenst = awesomeness(example:jamey wright, any other pitcher the yanks have ever signed, etc.)tabata is not the hottest young prospect in the game, or even pitching spec for that matter, there are plenty of pitchers id take before him, you ready?Chad Billingsley - DodgersHomer Bailey - RedsPhilip Hughes - your own freakin teamAnthony Reyes - CardsAdam Lowen - OriolesJason Hirsch - now on the RockiesEdison Volquez - RangersJeff Niemann - Draysas for hitters, dont even get me started, there are probably at least 50 hitters id take before Tabata, lets just start with Delmon Young and Justin Upton.Dude, dont get me wrong, Jeter is hella good, but even my cousin admits that he is the MOST OVERRATED PLAYER IN THE GAME. he is, and there is no way in hell he ranks with albert pujols, ryan howard, etc.sorry, but when you have the most proven player in the game Johan Santana, and you offer a trade with UNPROVEN PROSPECTS, even if they are hella good, you wont get anywhere. Sanchez, Tabata, Hughes, have not proven a thing in the MLB. Wang has had one good year. Sorry dude, if you offered me those 4 guys for Santana, id probably laugh in your face. Next, if you think Igawa is gonan be good, guess again. He is going to get blown up. Don't worry, he may start off 5-0, but once hitters get used to him, say goodnight. Andy Pettite and Roger Clemens are not the answer to bringing your team a championship. Neither is trading Arod. I love how Yanks fans complain when Arod hits .290, has 35hrs, and 130rbis. Every single other team in baseball would take it, even if he hit .260. Come on dude, we all love our teams, but its only to a certain point that you can be so biased.One last thing, "Barry Zito is a 4 this year on the Yankees staff. That's why he hit free agency." Let me get this straight. The Yankees being one of the worst pitching teams in baseball would make Barry Zito their #4 starter? ha!Sorry, another thing, when you said "i lvoe that people still refer to us as the Evil Empire, when in the past few years, we've cut down on spending", you meant been going up right? yeah, ok. this off-season, yeah, ok, you traded RJ, congrats. How much luxury tax did you guys just pay this year? Yeah...</div>You're cousin is not a Yankee fan.1. Wang, 2. Mussina, 3. Pettitte, 4. Zito.Pettitte is signed to a SHORT TERM deal. And that's better than that monster deal that Zito got. We'll do the same with Clemens.

 

[iknobaer]

wow, i was trying to edit my post, and I Xed out, i realized Tabata was the OF, was deffinately thinking for some reason he was a pitcher, anyway, i was basically editing that, and naming a lot of hitters id take before tabata, plus a few more pitchers.#2-really, my cousin isnt a yanks fan? you know my cousin? k.#3-gah, wang is gonna bomb, its coming, you just wait#4-really, pettite and clemens will do the same for your team like zito does for the giants?basically, without zito id argue the giants have the worst pitching roto in baseball, with zito, they have one of the best..yeah...oh, also, i like signing pitchers that dont have a history of being injured for half the year, dont you? guess not...also, you gonna reply to anything else in my post, or just say my cousin isnt a yanks fan?

 

[Jon_Vilma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iknobaer @ Jan 7 2007, 09:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>wow, i was trying to edit my post, and I Xed out, i realized Tabata was the OF, was deffinately thinking for some reason he was a pitcher, anyway, i was basically editing that, and naming a lot of hitters id take before tabata, plus a few more pitchers.#2-really, my cousin isnt a yanks fan? you know my cousin? k.#3-gah, wang is gonna bomb, its coming, you just wait#4-really, pettite and clemens will do the same for your team like zito does for the giants?basically, without zito id argue the giants have the worst pitching roto in baseball, with zito, they have one of the best..yeah...oh, also, i like signing pitchers that dont have a history of being injured for half the year, dont you? guess not...also, you gonna reply to anything else in my post, or just say my cousin isnt a yanks fan?</div>Do more for, and signed a better contract than aren't the same.Anyone who thinks Jeter is overrated isn't a Yankees fan, not really.