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LOL at people against Salmons for Frye. I roll my eyes at you.

Logjam at SF? HA! The Blazers have Batum at SF and NO ONE ELSE.

Frye hasn't played in a couple months. This is as big of a no brainer trade as you can get.

I also don't think it's real.
 
Karl Malone's Elbows said:
LOL at people against Salmons for Frye. I roll my eyes at you.

Logjam at SF? HA! The Blazers have Batum at SF and NO ONE ELSE.

Frye hasn't played in a couple months. This is as big of a no brainer trade as you can get.

I also don't think it's real.
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If you trade for him, you might as well slash the value of Batum/Webster/Outlaw.
 
B-Roy said:
If you trade for him, you might as well slash the value of Batum/Webster/Outlaw.
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I'm guessing Webster has no value. Outlaw would continue as a backup 4. Batum would suffer, but we don't need his value to be high. We just need him to gain strength and skills.
 
I'm guessing Webster has no value. Outlaw would continue as a backup 4. Batum would suffer, but we don't need his value to be high. We just need him to gain strength and skills.
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You'd give Trout 10mpg? Would you cut Batum or Webster out of the rotation (If Web's comes back)? And of course, one of Sergio/Jerryd would be out of the rotation, with the other's minutes probably less than 10 per game.

Anyways, I think I can see both points of view, simply because not only would Salmons be an upgrade, but only giving up Frye for him is a steal that is almost impossible to say no to. But I do think that aquiring him would create a problem unless we have another trade lined up (specially if he was involved!)
 
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MrJayremmie said:
But he wouldn't really get his 14 shots/game up here as a 3rd option,
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None of the guys we are talking about adding (Butler, RJeff, VC, Amare, etc) would likely get their same touches, so that's not something we can really worry about when trading IMHO.

Salmons is a great scorer who's shown an ability to improve year-to-year. This conversation seems a lot like people in the summer slamming a guy like Mo Williams who was a solid player on a crap team. Once he gets traded to a winning system, he was huge upgrade.
 
None of the guys we are talking about adding (Butler, RJeff, VC, Amare, etc) would likely get their same touches, so that's not something we can really worry about when trading IMHO.

Salmons is a great scorer who's shown an ability to improve year-to-year. This conversation seems a lot like people in the summer slamming a guy like Mo Williams who was a solid player on a crap team. Once he gets traded to a winning system, he was huge upgrade.
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Salmons is a scorer though. SImilar to Outlaw, if he isn't getting his shots and scoring what is he going to do for us? And I was very high on Mo Williams.

Someone of Butler's caliber would be our 2nd option right from the start.
 
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MrJayremmie said:
Salmons is a scorer though. SImilar to Outlaw, if he isn't getting his shots and scoring what is he going to do for us? And I was very high on Mo Williams.
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To Salmon's credit he's been one of the better perimeter defenders at the 3 when he's been freed up to mostly focus on defense. With the Kings this year he's been moved into more of a scoring role as the second option and from the handful of game I've seen him play this year I get the feeling he conserves his energy for the offensive end of the court a little bit (somewhat like Brandon).

So calling him a "scorer" is a little misleading ... though I still have my doubts that he'd be particularly effective if brought to Portland and asked to a third or fourth option; he's not really much of a spot-up shooter, he's much better coming off of screens or the dribble to fire his jumper.
 
MrJayremmie said:
You'd give Trout 10mpg? Would you cut Batum or Webster out of the rotation (If Web's comes back)?
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PF: Aldridge 32; Outlaw 16
SF: Salmons 28; Roy 4; Outlaw 10; Batum 6
SG: Roy 28; Rudy 20

Webster is out for this year. I'll worry about his minutes next year after I see how he responds to being out a year. Right now he is a non-factor.

As Batum earns more minutes over the next few years you can see if you need to move someone. Not this year and probably not next year either.

I would rather have Butler or Carter, but if you can't get one of those, and can get Salmons cheap you do it.
 
Aldridge/Roy 32 minutes = FAIL.

You won't survive.
 
B-Roy said:
Aldridge/Roy 32 minutes = FAIL.

You won't survive.
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Regular Season:

Aldridge and Roy 32 minutes: Long career with fewer injuries

However, we are only talking four minutes. Take four from Travis for Aldridge and some of Batum's minutes for Roy. The point is that there are enough minutes for the key players and all the rest are injured, too young or only good for the forth quarter.
 
craigehlo said:
Outlaw will have to hit the road in another deal with Raef's contract.
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Why? I have him down for 26 minutes a game (PF and SF). He is now averaging 27 minutes. All we are doing is talking about replacing Batum with a real NBA small forward.
 
Salmons is not a MAJOR upgrade, give me a break. He is a guy who has improved, but whose stats this year are partly reflected from the fact that Kevin martin was out for a large stretch and thier team is a bottom feeder.....

I mean, if there is nothing else, and you can get him on the cheap? Yeah I guess you could take a flyer on him, but it certainly isn't a long term solution....and I certainly wouldn't send one of our younger SF (Webster, Batum, Outlaw) out for him.....
 
That would be like getting him for free. Honestly, he needs to take Batum's minutes and some of Rudy's. Salmons is a much more efficient scorer and versatile scorer that Rudy right now.
 
Reep said:
Regular Season:

Aldridge and Roy 32 minutes: Long career with fewer injuries

However, we are only talking four minutes. Take four from Travis for Aldridge and some of Batum's minutes for Roy. The point is that there are enough minutes for the key players and all the rest are injured, too young or only good for the forth quarter.
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10 extra losses.

But if you want to go into the playoffs as the 8th seed, fine by me.
 
What up with Nate not playing Channing Frye at all this season. I assume Oden is taking up Fryes minutes. Fry had a great year last year. I have always been bummed that Frye isn't playing.
 
Nate Dogg said:
What up with Nate not playing Channing Frye at all this season. I assume Oden is taking up Fryes minutes. Fry had a great year last year. I have always been bummed that Frye isn't playing.
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He tried early in the season, but Frye is limited in what he can do. When he got minutes, he couldn't hit his shots. That combined with limited hustle on defense and rebounding and you have a trip to the end of the bench.
 
Nate Dogg said:
What up with Nate not playing Channing Frye at all this season. I assume Oden is taking up Fryes minutes. Fry had a great year last year. I have always been bummed that Frye isn't playing.
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That Boston game in Boston really was the last straw for him I think from the coaches. He couldn't have had any worse of a stint than he had there in that first half, couldn't make a shot, was tripping over his feet and turning the ball over.. Not good.
It's a shame, too, since Channing came into camp supposedly in great shape, then had that injury before the season started, and just hasn't been very good.
It's too bad because I think he can still be a good NBA player.
 
dont u remeber what jon barry said of frye lol......

"worst 24 seconds a player has had in nba history"

frye never played again...for a while
 
B-Roy said:
Is a marginal upgrade worth pissing off our players? I tend not to think so. If were going to make an upgrade, make it BIG, Carter, RJ, Wallace, etc.
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I think the speculation that it will piss anyone off is way too tenuous to be a factor. Salmons would start at small forward. Batum would back him up, which was the expectation from the start. Outlaw will take all the backup power forward minutes.

Webster isn't even worth considering, since his return gets pushed back further and further. Pritchard can revisit the small forward position in summer, perhaps make a deal to clear it out a bit.

Frye for Salmons is a total steal in terms of talent. I didn't want Salmons for RLEC and Outlaw, but I'll take him for basically free.

I'd also like to "swing for the fences" and get a big star...but that may not be an option.
 
MIXUM said:
dont u remeber what jon barry said of frye lol......

"worst 24 seconds a player has had in nba history"

frye never played again...for a while
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Probably the first correct observation Jon Barry has ever had.
 
we really dont have a choice... we are losing games cause our starting SF cant score. i dont car ehow good his defense is.... you cant have you starting SF in the nba get 5 points a night and beat good offensive teams. if we had a great PG...batum could start but with sergio starting..its a problem. blake hid batums offensive problems cause blake would get you 14-17 a night.

batum and sergio should never start unless you have studs at the other 4 spots
 
Minstrel said:
I think the speculation that it will piss anyone off is way too tenuous to be a factor. Salmons would start at small forward. Batum would back him up, which was the expectation from the start. Outlaw will take all the backup power forward minutes.

Webster isn't even worth considering, since his return gets pushed back further and further. Pritchard can revisit the small forward position in summer, perhaps make a deal to clear it out a bit.

Frye for Salmons is a total steal in terms of talent. I didn't want Salmons for RLEC and Outlaw, but I'll take him for basically free.

I'd also like to "swing for the fences" and get a big star...but that may not be an option.
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That's pretty much my position. If you can trade Frye and maybe a second round draft pick to get Salmons, or make it Diogu and Frye then I think that's a pretty reasonable exchange of expirings/"talent" (can we really call Ike and Frye "talent" at this point?) for a decent upgrade to the small forward position.
 
MIXUM said:
we really dont have a choice... we are losing games cause our starting SF cant score. i dont car ehow good his defense is.... you cant have you starting SF in the nba get 5 points a night and beat good offensive teams. if we had a great PG...batum could start but with sergio starting..its a problem. blake hid batums offensive problems cause blake would get you 14-17 a night.

batum and sergio should never start unless you have studs at the other 4 spots
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Yeah, I can see a little bit of truth to what you are saying, but to Nate and KP's credit, neither of these guys would be major minute getters if it weren't for battlefield promotions due to Blake and Webster's injuries ... and Travis' seeming inability to function as a starter.
 
Nikolokolus said:
If you can trade Frye and maybe a second round draft pick to get Salmons, or make it Diogu and Frye
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I think Salmons stock is higher than is being considered around here. I think it would take throwing in Sergio or a 1st rounder to get a Salmons deal done. Still a cheap price.
 
Salmons would be GREAT at that price. I say get him, and then do the RLEC/Outlaw/etc for a point guard and a backup four. Gravy.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Salmons would be GREAT at that price. I say get him, and then do the RLEC/Outlaw/etc for a point guard and a backup four. Gravy.
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RLEC/Outlaw and a second round pick or two for? ... hmmm ... maybe this?

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=cpnvgy

I know it's not exactly a "blow your socks off" kind of deal but it fills a hole at the 1 with a decent upgrade and gives us a legitimate backup power forward in Gooden who is expiring anyway and can be let go or resigned if so desired (and shouldn't be too expensive to keep).
 
sergio and frye for salmons...... its a no brainer. kp would need his head examined if this deal didnt happen.
 
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