OT Judge: Teen must repay $37M for starting Oregon wildfire

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riverman said:
not necessarily...he could turn his life around and become a valuable member of society...and yes...it is teaching him a lesson. He certainly made it harder on folks who spent their entire lives building their homes just to lose them in flames. How about that debt?
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Which is why I said he should get a consequence. I even threw out an idea. It’s a lot better than putting him in debt for 10 years.
 
riverman said:
anyway....I have my opinion about this...if you are concerned for the kid Cippy you should correspond with him...visit him in jail sometime.
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Jesus Christ. It’s not that I’m concerned about him, I just think you guys look at this with the old school point of view. That’s fine. I’m just trying to help you guys understand the other point of view here.
 
Stevenson said:
And maybe he's just a dumb kid who threw a firework.
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could be but seems like any competent defense attorney would not garner this kind of punishment for anything less than premeditated arson. details are unknown to me but I wouldn't assume it was just a dumb prank given the outcome.
 
Cippy91 said:
Nobody wants to serve in the military to fight other people’s wars and the people that do are looking for easy money these days to sit on a base and do practically nothing.
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BrianFromWA said:
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That’s what it is these days. There isn’t a war going on like there was early 2000’s. I know a guy who went over there and that’s all he did. Didn’t do much and got paid a lot for it. I know a girl who went into the navy to get money to get her tits done. It’s not to take away from people that serve because there are dangerous positions within the military still but for the most part that’s what it is today. Not a whole lot going on
 
Stevenson said:
And maybe he's just a dumb kid who threw a firework.
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The thing that irritates me is that almost all of us have done stupid stupid things. Most of us got away with it or got lucky nobody died.

People want to string this kid up by the balls over this because of and ONLY because of the outcome. Not that this kid is any worse than thousands of other kids that do stupid stuff.
 
bodyman5000 and 1 said:
The thing that irritates me is that almost all of us have done stupid stupid things. Most of us got away with it or got lucky nobody died.

People want to string this kid up by the balls over this because of and ONLY because of the outcome. Not that this kid is any worse than thousands of other kids that do stupid stuff.
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Right and he was with his friends and probably tried to be funny or “cool”, threw the firework in the forest. Does anybody really think he thought it would be that huge of a fire? There is no way he did. He did something stupid. Like I said, it would be better off him getting some form of juvenile treatment, kept for a year with some other idiots and taught a lesson rather than keep him in debt for 10 years when shits already tough out there when it comes to jobs and school. That night when I saw the beginning of that fire I said that shit was gonna be huge if they didn’t get it contained. Overnight, it went fucking crazy. Maybe somebody should also put some blame on Kate brown and some of the early decisions that were made that day before the fire got out of control. But yeah I’m sure putting him in debt for 10 years is really gonna keep him motivated and make him feel like he can go forward. Instead it’s doing the opposite. They should of chose a different consequence.
 
riverman said:
I would never assume this....he might love watching the world burn...he may be a pyromaniac by nature and his age has nothing to do with that...or a murder or violent crime....the victims are people who's lives he destroyed forever ….if he burned my property to the ground I wouldn't shrug and say....kids will be kids..fact is...we don't know this kid but I'm sure the prosecuting attorney knew enough to not plea bargain.
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I actually had a friend accidentally burn down a house once. Luckily, no one was in it. He was 18, and it's changed him foe the better and it still bothers him that it happened. He didn't mean for it to happen, he was fucking around with fireworks.

He's not a pyromaniac or a bad person.
 
riverman said:
not necessarily...he could turn his life around and become a valuable member of society...and yes...it is teaching him a lesson. He certainly made it harder on folks who spent their entire lives building their homes just to lose them in flames. How about that debt?
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I think he learned his lesson by pissing off a whole major metropolitan area. I don't think $37M is going to be the deciding factor in him learning from this..if he didnt already, he never will. So essentially, you're advocating going "eye for an eye" financially with a 15 year old kid.
 
BonesJones said:
"eye for an eye"
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I'm not advocating anything....don't have the info to even try...I'm saying that being a kid doesn't mean you're innocent of arson...his intentions are unknown to me but I would be beyond angry if he did this in the thousands of acres of old growth forest behind my property..I don't care if he was stupid or premeditated....an eye for an eye would mean burning his home and neighborhood to the ground. I've made no such assertions
 
What the kid does was tremendously awful. I’m 99% sure he didn’t intend to to all that damage. I can’t imagine if I did that at his age... the guilt of ruining people’s lives, the destruction of beautiful property, the likely death threats he receives from grown ass adults. Man, add onto that debt till he is in his mid 20s? I really wouldn’t be surprised if he did off himself like @EL PRESIDENTE said. Knowing some people they’d probably be happy with his decision to do so.
 
Cippy91 said:
Nobody wants to serve in the military to fight other people’s wars and the people that do are looking for easy money these days to sit on a base and do practically nothing.
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Do you have first hand experience with this kind of statement?

Do you even understand basic logic? By using "Nobody" all we need is to find 1 individual that does not fit your assertion to debunk it. If you want to make these unsubstantiated remarks, at least leave them somewhat vague so you have some way to back out. I can't believe I just helped you make what I consider stupid remarks somewhat more palatable.
 
BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94 said:
What the kid does was tremendously awful. I’m 99% sure he didn’t intend to to all that damage. I can’t imagine if I did that at his age... the guilt of ruining people’s lives, the destruction of beautiful property, the likely death threats he receives from grown ass adults. Man, add onto that debt till he is in his mid 20s? I really wouldn’t be surprised if he did off himself like @EL PRESIDENTE said. Knowing some people they’d probably be happy with his decision to do so.
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nah....I believe in good endings...more of a chance he grows up than offs himself
 
riverman said:
nah....I believe in good endings...more of a chance he grows up than offs himself
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lol, he'll be in crushing debt and depression for the foreseeable future. it won't end after the period where the debt can be erased too. I'd conservatively say there's a 50% chance he offs himself.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
lol, he'll be in crushing debt and depression for the foreseeable future. it won't end after the period where the debt can be erased too. I'd conservatively say there's a 50% chance he offs himself.
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As Sly said...at his age they can only garnish 25% of his income and have only 10 years to do it if he doesn't commit any crimes....my child support from my first marriage and divorce was way more than that...and I paid it for 27 years dude
 
riverman said:
As Sly said...at his age they can only garnish 25% of his income and have only 10 years to do it if he doesn't commit any crimes....my child support from my first marriage and divorce was way more than that...and I paid it for 27 years dude
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Its the pressure of knowing he "owes" that much money. Even if its symbolic, its a tremendous amount of stress. He will also look back and see how much of his life / time / money has been wasted due to this whole process and stress. Sure, he deserves it but hard labor would have been more productive in the long run.

This will just cause major depression for him for his entire life until he ends it. Psychologically, he will not be fine.
 
andalusian said:
Do you have first hand experience with this kind of statement?

Do you even understand basic logic? By using "Nobody" all we need is to find 1 individual that does not fit your assertion to debunk it. If you want to make these unsubstantiated remarks, at least leave them somewhat vague so you have some way to back out. I can't believe I just helped you make what I consider stupid remarks somewhat more palatable.
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All you gotta do is look at the numbers and how many are enlisting currently. Not a lot. At all
 
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