Judging Talent By What You See, Hear, And Understand (Fast Company On Rich Cho)

[HailBlazers]

ape shit

Ironic

 

[Masbee]

? No one in this thread has said Cho is a scumbag. Not sure what you're trying to do there.

People are tired

Nope. Sorry. Wrong.

"People" aren't tired.

Whiny chronic complainers are tired.

Get it straight.

 

[Masbee]

Fail

Worthless. Typical.

 

[RoyToy]

Nope. Sorry. Wrong.

"People" aren't tired.

Whiny chronic complainers are tired.

Get it straight.

Calling people "whiners" because they have a different take than you is pretty childish.

Get it straight? Ha. You're the one that's put words in other mouths of posters in this thread. Keep reading a different thread than everyone else.

 

[STOMP]

People are tired of all the fluff articles proclaiming this guy to be a genius when he has done absolutely nothing. Show us something first.

Until that happens, I'm still unimpressed by the hire.

We don't need to be impressed or disappointed until he actually makes a move... in fact, not making a move may be evidence of good judgement as the club's already set for a big year with their top talents approaching their prime. We'll never be privy to what deals a GM is actually turning down (as opposed to an agent planted rumor some random blogger tweets about), so actions are really the only thing to judge. I'm sure he'd like to make a splash trading JPEC + peripheral fodder for a top talent, but not doing so isn't a black mark. I happen to think that Joel's contract will gain relative value as we approach the midseason trade deadline and he regains his health. A fully healthy JP could be valued both for his potential to provide quality Big man minutes and/or provide salary relief in the following offseason... I highly doubt his value declines in the coming months.

Cho's at the helm of a potential 60+ win team with championship potential... it's not exactly desperation time.

STOMP

 

[OddEnormous]

Worthless. Typical.

More worthless than yours? Don't think so fella. Mine was at least accurate.

 

[HailBlazers]

I happen to think that Joel's contract will gain relative value as we approach the midseason trade deadline and he regains his health.
Cho's at the helm of a potential 60+ win team with championship potential... it's not exactly desperation time.

No doubt, that's why we keep Rudy and package him at trade deadline

 

[RoyToy]

We don't need to be impressed or disappointed until he actually makes a move... in fact, not making a move may be evidence of good judgement as the club's already set for a big year with their top talents approaching their prime. We'll never be privy to what deals a GM is actually turning down (as opposed to an agent planted rumor some random blogger tweets about), so actions are really the only thing to judge. I'm sure he'd like to make a splash trading JPEC + peripheral fodder for a top talent, but not doing so isn't a black mark. I happen to think that Joel's contract will gain relative value as we approach the midseason trade deadline and he regains his health. A fully healthy JP could be valued both for his potential to provide quality Big man minutes and/or provide salary relief in the following offseason... I highly doubt his value declines in the coming months.

Cho's at the helm of a potential 60+ win team with championship potential... it's not exactly desperation time.

STOMP

Disagree with the first sentence. I think a person can definitely have an opinion if a new hire impresses them or not based on their credentials. I just happen to be unimpressed, while some are obviously impressed with all these fluff articles flying around.

As far as the rest goes, this forum has clearly set a precedent that not making a trade is indeed a black mark on a GM's record, not too mention this team still needs a final big piece on the roster, and Cho himself has said this. Not being able to get that done would be considered a failure at this point imo, especially when you consider the #1 thing the Blazers were looking for at first in a candidate was an experienced trade maker.

It's time to get something done. If Cho decides to ride with the roster he has right now then he is just winning with KP's roster, and at that point I further question why KP was fired.

 

[OddEnormous]

Ironic

How so?

 

[HailBlazers]

the #1 thing the Blazers were looking for at first in a candidate was an experienced trade maker.
It's time to get something done. If Cho decides to ride with the roster he has right now then he is just winning with KP's roster, and at that point I further question why KP was fired.

While it can be debated whether he is an experienced trade maker, reading the fluff articles/listening to him on the radio/seeing him in person have made me feel confident that if he makes a move it will be the right one

I too further question why KP was fired, but at this point I believe Rich has the ability to advance the team as much as KP would have

 

[HailBlazers]

How so?

You covered the first page of this thread with big bold shit

 

[OddEnormous]

You covered the first page of this thread with big bold shit

That's not irony.

 

[MickZagger]

Disagree with the first sentence. I think a person can definitely have an opinion if a new hire impresses them or not based on their credentials. I just happen to be unimpressed, while some are obviously impressed with all these fluff articles flying around.

As far as the rest goes, this forum has clearly set a precedent that not making a trade is indeed a black mark on a GM's record, not too mention this team still needs a final big piece on the roster, and Cho himself has said this. Not being able to get that done would be considered a failure at this point imo, especially when you consider the #1 thing the Blazers were looking for at first in a candidate was an experienced trade maker.

It's time to get something done. If Cho decides to ride with the roster he has right now then he is just winning with KP's roster, and at that point I further question why KP was fired.

Has it even been 2 weeks since he was hired?

lol habitual bitchers around here are funny!

 

[blazerboy30]

You covered the first page of this thread with big bold shit

That's not irony.

True. It is expected.

 

[ABM]

Also enjoyed everyone telling me how smart Cho is.

I suppose you know how dumb he is, then.

 

[OddEnormous]

I suppose you know how dumb he is, then.

Why is this always the response?

I don't care if he's dumb or smart. I only care if he's a good GM.

Being good at math and or law and or ordering food tells me nothing. I couldn't care less about any of that.

I knew a lot of people in high school who were good at math. I didn't know anyone who could complete an NBA trade.

I do enjoy his calm pictures in the newspaper though. very telling

 

[OddEnormous]

True. It is expected.

Now THAT'S irony. Wait, hold on, no it isn't. Oh well. The important part is that most of you will think it is.

 

[maxiep]

Exhibit A: http://sportstwo.com/forums/123-Portland-Trail-Blazers

LOL! Repped!

 

[STOMP]

Disagree with the first sentence. I think a person can definitely have an opinion if a new hire impresses them or not based on their credentials. I just happen to be unimpressed, while some are obviously impressed with all these fluff articles flying around.

one can have an opinion, they just shouldn't have a strong one until an action is taken unless their MO is being ridiculous as they don't really know what the guy is turning down. Thats true for every GM

As far as the rest goes, this forum has clearly set a precedent that not making a trade is indeed a black mark on a GM's record...

almost nothing that goes on here matters... it's just internet babble

...not too mention this team still needs a final big piece on the roster, and Cho himself has said this.

he's just talking which (like a politician) means pretty much nothing... judge actions not words

Not being able to get that done would be considered a failure at this point imo, especially when you consider the #1 thing the Blazers were looking for at first in a candidate was an experienced trade maker.

you're reading too much into the PR fluff. They don't need someone who can pull a bunny out of a hat, they need a GM with sound judgement to deal with the opportunities and problems that arise... same as ever

It's time to get something done. If Cho decides to ride with the roster he has right now then he is just winning with KP's roster, and at that point I further question why KP was fired.

someday maybe you'll realize that you'll never ever know why KP was fired just as you'll never ever know just how much he had to do with decisions made while he was GM. I certainly approved of most of went on during his regime as opposed to what was going on before. What we can fairly judge the Cho regime on is whats decided with this young talented roster. Choosing not to turn it over could prove to be very wise as on paper they seem to be deep talented and complimentary. Making a bad move just to make one would be stupid. Thats not to say that there is no move that could improve matters but rather that this apple cart is already full and upright. Players age, situations change and opportunities to improve arise... but it takes two to tango. At this point I'm hoping he takes an opportunistic approach to changes as he's in the catbird's seat.

STOMP

 

[jlprk]

I too further question why KP was fired

Because every July he announced that he wouldn't make any moves for the summer. Those satisfied by that are now dissatisfied with Cho not making 10 trades already.

Has it even been 2 weeks since he was hired?

Exactly. And the fluff articles about his education are the Oregonian's fault, not Cho. I'm tired of them, too.

 

[BBert]

Exactly. And the fluff articles about his education are the Oregonian's fault, not Cho. I'm tired of them, too.

This I think is the point. Somehow, the argument here has deginerated into people claiming others are criticizing Cho for not having done something already. I don't think anyone has done that.

The local sports media are slobbering all over themselves telling us how amazing this guy is for talking to people on the phone and having the same cautious approach to making trades as KP, while as Minstrel said, the same approach is interpreted differently than KP's.

Regardless of what I think about KP's firing, I think Cho's hiring was a good one. I won't know if I'm right or wrong for a while, maybe a year. Certainly not until he's had a chance to do something or not do something. In the meantime Cho's sycophants in the media are getting on my nerves.

 

[OddEnormous]

Because every July he announced that he wouldn't make any moves for the summer. Those satisfied by that are now dissatisfied with Cho not making 10 trades already.

Like who?

Also would love to see the articles/quotes from Pritchard five July's in a row saying he wasn't going to make any moves all summer.

Edit: Actually I'd love to see it for one July.