Jump Ball situations

[Pinwheel1]

Do we ever practice this? I am not talking about the tip to start the game, but rather the rest of them. I swear it seems like we lose 90 % of them.... even if our guy has the advantage. Teams seem to have some sort of strategy to step in front of our players every time. I have been wondering about this all year and every game I get more pissed.

We have gotten better over the season with our in bound passes, which were horrible to start the year. Now Terry needs to work on jumps balls too.

 

[tykendo]

Nurk wins a lot of the opening taps, but that's about it.

 

[Lanny]

Nurk wins a lot of the opening taps, but that's about it.

If he were involved in some of those other jump ball situations I'll bet we'd be doing a lot better at getting those jump balls.

 

[dviss1]

Teams should practice this. It's the only league without a possession arrow.

 

[SIeepwalker]

possession arrow makes way more sense. Kinda dumb that a little guy on defense tying up a big is a much worse play than the other way around

 

[hoopsjock]

I will never understand why there isn't a rule that each team has to stay on their side for a jump ball. It would eliminate all the pushing and reward the team that won the tip instead of which team has their guys being dirtier.

 

[SIeepwalker]

I will never understand why there isn't a rule that each team has to stay on their side for a jump ball. It would eliminate all the pushing and reward the team that won the tip instead of which team has their guys being dirtier.

because the team on offense winning the jump ball would mean a wide open 3 ? jump ball istead of possession arrow is dumb anyway

 

[glazeduck]

To me the question is whether or not it's worth it to spend time on this -- and I don't know the answer, but (assuming the OP is on to something, and not just imaging things) would suspect that perhaps the team thinks it isn't.

I remember a few years ago it was a pretty big deal that the championship winning team for 3 or 4 years running was one of, if not the worst free throw shooting teams in the league -- suggesting that they were spending their time refining something more important than a fraction of a point...

At the end of the day, running a successful team is about a lot more than making sure you've practiced and perfected every situation -- there's just not enough time or energy to expend during the season for all of that, so it becomes a balance of practice/rest/health/film/practice/gameplanning/etc... Again, I'd simply guess that simulating jump ball scenarios probably falls off the end of that list.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

In the day of anayltics you would think this is tracked and who is best at it and etc. If it isn't then they need to start to do that. But certainly some luck is involved. Last night ED won the tip on a jump ball but Harkless couldn't handle it and it bounced off him to the other team.

 

[dviss1]

possession arrow makes way more sense. Kinda dumb that a little guy on defense tying up a big is a much worse play than the other way around

#Ihatethepossessionarrow

 

[Lanny]

I will never understand why there isn't a rule that each team has to stay on their side for a jump ball. It would eliminate all the pushing and reward the team that won the tip instead of which team has their guys being dirtier.

And what if a 5' 9" guy ties up a 7' guy?

 

[dviss1]

because the team on offense winning the jump ball would mean a wide open 3 ? jump ball istead of possession arrow is dumb anyway

No.... Amateurs use the possession arrow. Men jump.

 

[dviss1]

And what if a 5' 9" guy ties up a 7' guy?

 

[Pinwheel1]

To me the question is whether or not it's worth it to spend time on this -- and I don't know the answer, but (assuming the OP is on to something, and not just imaging things) would suspect that perhaps the team thinks it isn't.

At the end of the day, running a successful team is about a lot more than making sure you've practiced and perfected every situation -- there's just not enough time or energy to expend during the season for all of that, so it becomes a balance of practice/rest/health/film/practice/game planning/etc... Again, I'd simply guess that simulating jump ball scenarios probably falls off the end of that list.

It would not be the first time I was imagining things. Actually part of the reason for creating the thread was see if anyone else has noticed it, or if it was just in my head....

However if it's not all in my head then I think as a coaching staff they should take note while watching game film, to see what other teams are doing that is more successful. Again I could be wrong on this topic but I don't think I am because I have been focusing on it for several months now. It never seems to be the same reason though for not securing the tip.

 

[Orion Bailey]

#Ihatethepossessionarrow

What is a possession arrow?

 

[hoopsjock]

because the team on offense winning the jump ball would mean a wide open 3 ? jump ball istead of possession arrow is dumb anyway

Well it could be at half court every time to prevent that as well.

 

[hoopsjock]

And what if a 5' 9" guy ties up a 7' guy?

They could just let the teams choose who does the jump like at the beginning of the game.

 

[e_blazer]

I am not a fan of the possession arrow at all. It ticks me off when the defense makes a great play and ties up the offensive player at a critical point in the game and the ball goes back to the offense because it's "their turn". I think the jump ball should be changed up a bit though. I think that the coach of team that ties up a player that had control of the ball should have the option of either having his man that tied up the opposing player jump against that player, or be able to substitute any one of his players who was on the court when the play occurred. The catch would be that if a substitution is made, the coach of the other team has the choice of selecting which active player on his squad that he wants to take the jump ball.

 

[Boob-No-More]

This is REALLY exposing my age, but back when my dad played, they jumped the ball at half court after every made field goal. My dad was a dominant center back in the day, so every time his team scored, it was like playing make-it-take-it. He won league MVP two years in a row. Can you imagine how different the game would be if they hadn't eliminated that rule?

BNM

 

[e_blazer]

What is a possession arrow?

Do you never watch college ball? Cover your head in shame.

In college ball, other than the jump ball at the beginning of the game and the start of the second half, when there's a jump ball situation possessions alternate. One team is awarded the ball if it's their turn and then the possession arrow goes to the other team so that they get possession on the next jump ball.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Do you never watch college ball? Cover your head in shame.

In college ball, other than the jump ball at the beginning of the game and the start of the second half, when there's a jump ball situation possessions alternate. One team is awarded the ball if it's their turn and then the possession arrow goes to the other team so that they get possession on the next jump ball.

It's not even called a jump ball, when one player ties up an opponent, it's called a held ball.

BNM

 

[Orion Bailey]

Do you never watch college ball? Cover your head in shame.

In college ball, other than the jump ball at the beginning of the game and the start of the second half, when there's a jump ball situation possessions alternate. One team is awarded the ball if it's their turn and then the possession arrow goes to the other team so that they get possession on the next jump ball.

Gotcha. Thanks. No, I watch hardly any college ball.

 

[SIeepwalker]

#Ihatethepossessionarrow

No.... Amateurs use the possession arrow. Men jump.

Kinda dumb that a little guy on defense tying up a big is a much worse play than the other way around

 

[Pinwheel1]

They could just let the teams choose who does the jump like at the beginning of the game.

IMO that would not help us either. We still lose those too. There is so much movement when the balls goes up by the other players that the opponents always seem to reposition themselves in front of our players. Why we don't also do that.... is part of my frustration.

 

[hoopsjock]

IMO that would not help us either. We still lose those too. There is so much movement when the balls goes up by the other players that the opponents always seem to reposition themselves in front of our players. Why we don't also do that.... is part of my frustration.

Okay, now you are just making stuff up.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Okay, now you are just making stuff up.

Maybe embellishing on how often it happens, but not making it up. I see other players on other teams move in anticipation of where they think the tip is going when we have the size advantage. And we never seem to do the same when they have the obvious size advantage.

 

[SIeepwalker]

Maybe embellishing on how often it happens, but not making it up. I see other players on other teams move in anticipation of where they think the tip is going when we have the size advantage. And we never seem to do the same when they have the obvious size advantage.

I don't know what game it was but I remember a play where we had a little guy in a jump ball against a big, Lillard anticipated the back tap, stole the ball and got a lay up at the other end