Just For Fun...Olshey and the "Whiffed" Lottery Picks

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We didn't draft RHJ for ourselves, did we? I thought it already was arranged that the pick be made for the Nets, so it really was their decision who to take there. Maybe I am remembering incorrectly.

EDIT: Yeah, that's how we got Pat Connaughton.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
2012 #6 Damian Lillard
Should've taken: Damian Lillard! Good job Olshey (or WAS it?)
2012 #10 Meyers Leonard
Should've taken: Draymond Green (oops - but then, a lot of people screwed that one up)
2012 #40 Will Barton
Should've taken: Will Barton. But actually should've traded 40 and 41 (Tyshawn Taylor - we traded him) to move up for Khris Middleton.
2013 #10 CJ McCollum
Should've taken: Giannis MVP Antetokounmpo
Yes, sure, a lot of people passed, but the Bucks didn't, and you can always trade down in those circumstances, like the Mavs did when they got Nowitzki
2013 #31 Allen Crabbe
Should've taken: NOBODY. There's nobody good after Crabbe, but we actually had to buy that pick and it wasn't worth it in the end.
2015 #23 Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
I was happy when we drafted him but sad again when we traded him for Plumlee. But as Plumlee got us THE MIGHTY NURK I'm not gonna complain. However:
Should've taken: Josh Richardson (40), Montrezl Harrel (32), Kevon Looney (30)
2015 #41 Pat Connaughton
Should've taken: Norman Powell, or bought a pick a bit higher and taken Richardson.
2015 #54 Dani Diez
Should've taken: NOBODY. Why buy a pick for this schmo? He has stumpy arms and doesn't even look good in Spain. Or, if you like take Quinn Cook or TJ McConnell (both undrafted)
2016 #47 Jake Layman
Should've taken: Georges Niang (50) or FRED VANVLEET (undrafted)
2017 #10 Zach Collins (boy, we're the #10 team, aren't we?)
Should've taken: Donovan Mitchell, Jarrett Allen
2017 #26 Caleb Swanigan
Should've taken: Kuzma, Josh Hart (hey, we could've traded for Anthony Davis!)
Not gonna grade Simons and Trent onward yet.

Overall: not terrible - mostly useful, surprisingly so for second rounders, but could have Giannis, Draymond, Donovan Mitchell, Josh Richardson and Fred VanVleet
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Okay now do this for every GM in the history of the NBA. I guarantee you just about every one looks way worse than what you presented.

And you can't fucking count a pick that was made for someone else as part of a trade. That shows your bias. Otherwise you shouldn't count Zach Collins you should count Justin Jackson and Harry Giles. Hopefully you can recognize how silly that is.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
2012 #6 Damian Lillard
Should've taken: Damian Lillard! Good job Olshey (or WAS it?)
2012 #10 Meyers Leonard
Should've taken: Draymond Green (oops - but then, a lot of people screwed that one up)
2012 #40 Will Barton
Should've taken: Will Barton. But actually should've traded 40 and 41 (Tyshawn Taylor - we traded him) to move up for Khris Middleton.
2013 #10 CJ McCollum
Should've taken: Giannis MVP Antetokounmpo
Yes, sure, a lot of people passed, but the Bucks didn't, and you can always trade down in those circumstances, like the Mavs did when they got Nowitzki
2013 #31 Allen Crabbe
Should've taken: NOBODY. There's nobody good after Crabbe, but we actually had to buy that pick and it wasn't worth it in the end.
2015 #23 Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
I was happy when we drafted him but sad again when we traded him for Plumlee. But as Plumlee got us THE MIGHTY NURK I'm not gonna complain. However:
Should've taken: Josh Richardson (40), Montrezl Harrel (32), Kevon Looney (30)
2015 #41 Pat Connaughton
Should've taken: Norman Powell, or bought a pick a bit higher and taken Richardson.
2015 #54 Dani Diez
Should've taken: NOBODY. Why buy a pick for this schmo? He has stumpy arms and doesn't even look good in Spain. Or, if you like take Quinn Cook or TJ McConnell (both undrafted)
2016 #47 Jake Layman
Should've taken: Georges Niang (50) or FRED VANVLEET (undrafted)
2017 #10 Zach Collins (boy, we're the #10 team, aren't we?)
Should've taken: Donovan Mitchell, Jarrett Allen
2017 #26 Caleb Swanigan
Should've taken: Kuzma, Josh Hart (hey, we could've traded for Anthony Davis!)
Not gonna grade Simons and Trent onward yet.

Overall: not terrible - mostly useful, surprisingly so for second rounders, but could have Giannis, Draymond, Donovan Mitchell, Josh Richardson and Fred VanVleet
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so you're a hindsight expert? lol

I always make better decisions when it's after the fact. Unfortunately that's not a realistic option available.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Not remotely true.
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I have 5 people supporting my post. You have none supporting yours.

Mine is true as judged by a rational 3rd person.

If you want to call my statement untrue without any backup to push some delusional narrative of your own, congrats you accomplished that.

Neil ran Blazers basketball operations when the team drafted Dame, Fact.
 
barfo said:
So according to your source, what was the situation with Lillard? Did Paul give him the job only on the condition that he must pick Lillard?
Or is it that on draft day Olshey argued for someone else but was overruled? Or?

barfo
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Paul was 100% Lillard based on the scouts still here. Lillard was Paul's pick
 
WesleyMatthews said:
I have 5 people supporting my post. You have none supporting yours.

Mine is true as judged by a rational 3rd person.

If you want to call my statement untrue without any backup to push some delusional narrative of your own, congrats you accomplished that.

Neil ran Blazers basketball operations when the team drafted Dame, Fact.
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So because forum members agree with you, I don't know what's up?
 
Mediocre Man said:
Paul was 100% Lillard based on the scouts still here. Lillard was Paul's pick
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Okay, even if this is true, it doesn't preclude him from also being Neil's pick.

I think we also need to acknowledge that drafting is a with many people involved - especially the scouts. It's a collaborative process, the GM doesn't just draw straws.
 
B-Roy said:
Okay, even if this is true, it doesn't preclude him from also being Neil's pick.

I think we also need to acknowledge that drafting is a with many people involved - especially the scouts. It's a collaborative process, the GM doesn't just draw straws.
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You are right. I just hate when people say it was Olshey's pick and give him credit because it wasn't.
 
Mediocre Man said:
You are right. I just hate when people say it was Olshey's pick and give him credit because it wasn't.
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so who do you give credit to? Do you blame Olshey for the Leonard pick? Bottom line, the credit and blame goes to the guy in charge and that was Olshey. Spin it anyway you want but that doesn't change the FACTS.
 
As far as I can tell the one responsible for the Dame pick is...

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or

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ISIS has claimed credit for the Meyers pick.

barfo
 
..and they planted that.......that WOMAN to become his wife!
 
Olshey's draft record seems a polarizing topic, but it also seems most agree he's not perfect. ABM and BP give him a B+ and B respectively, which seems about right. Kudos to Olshey for not over-ruling our scouting dept led by Buchanan at the time, and drafting Lillard. Lillard was going to be the pick if Olshey hadn't been hired, that was pretty well documented as point guard was a huge need. I still contend Olshey's greatest accomplishment as GM with the Blazers was not drafting Lillard, but convincing him to re-sign here. And his biggest failure was having an All Star in his prime walk away for nothing. He's done a lot of good things, but that last one is hard to excuse and just can't happen. To his credit, he seems to be trending up as his last 5-6 personnel decisions have been hits. It may seem nitpicking or being overly critical, but Olshey hits a lot of singles and he'll need to hit a home run or two or three if we're going to take that next step.
 
CupWizier said:
so who do you give credit to? Do you blame Olshey for the Leonard pick? Bottom line, the credit and blame goes to the guy in charge and that was Olshey. Spin it anyway you want but that doesn't change the FACTS.
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Lillard was the pick before NO was hired. NO was the GM when we drafted him. He gets the credit, but he shouldn't. PA and Buchanan and staff should
 
Mediocre Man said:
Lillard was the pick before NO was hired. NO was the GM when we drafted him. He gets the credit, but he shouldn't. PA and Buchanan and staff should
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Buchanan? The guy who left a few days after the draft to go to Charlotte. Is this like the time PA fired KP and let him draft anyway?
 
hoopsjock said:
And you can't fucking count a pick that was made for someone else as part of a trade. That shows your bias.
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1. Plenty of GMs have had trades in place that they backed out of when a player they didn't think would be available slips. Nobody but a sucker would lock themselves into a trade before draft night.
2. What bias? You think I have personal animus towards Neil Olshey? Just because he stole my girlfriend in high school? WHY JANICE, WHY???
 
Rastapopoulos said:
1. Plenty of GMs have had trades in place that they backed out of when a player they didn't think would be available slips. Nobody but a sucker would lock themselves into a trade before draft night.
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HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

So Olshey took who the Blazers wanted instead of who the team the pick was being traded to was for?

Yeah, okay, nice try.

Why did you list Collins then? You should've listed Justin Jackson and Harry Giles.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
2012 #6 Damian Lillard
Should've taken: Damian Lillard! Good job Olshey (or WAS it?)
2012 #10 Meyers Leonard
Should've taken: Draymond Green (oops - but then, a lot of people screwed that one up)
2012 #40 Will Barton
Should've taken: Will Barton. But actually should've traded 40 and 41 (Tyshawn Taylor - we traded him) to move up for Khris Middleton.
2013 #10 CJ McCollum
Should've taken: Giannis MVP Antetokounmpo
Yes, sure, a lot of people passed, but the Bucks didn't, and you can always trade down in those circumstances, like the Mavs did when they got Nowitzki
2013 #31 Allen Crabbe
Should've taken: NOBODY. There's nobody good after Crabbe, but we actually had to buy that pick and it wasn't worth it in the end.
2015 #23 Rondae Hollis-Jefferson
I was happy when we drafted him but sad again when we traded him for Plumlee. But as Plumlee got us THE MIGHTY NURK I'm not gonna complain. However:
Should've taken: Josh Richardson (40), Montrezl Harrel (32), Kevon Looney (30)
2015 #41 Pat Connaughton
Should've taken: Norman Powell, or bought a pick a bit higher and taken Richardson.
2015 #54 Dani Diez
Should've taken: NOBODY. Why buy a pick for this schmo? He has stumpy arms and doesn't even look good in Spain. Or, if you like take Quinn Cook or TJ McConnell (both undrafted)
2016 #47 Jake Layman
Should've taken: Georges Niang (50) or FRED VANVLEET (undrafted)
2017 #10 Zach Collins (boy, we're the #10 team, aren't we?)
Should've taken: Donovan Mitchell, Jarrett Allen
2017 #26 Caleb Swanigan
Should've taken: Kuzma, Josh Hart (hey, we could've traded for Anthony Davis!)
Not gonna grade Simons and Trent onward yet.

Overall: not terrible - mostly useful, surprisingly so for second rounders, but could have Giannis, Draymond, Donovan Mitchell, Josh Richardson and Fred VanVleet
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You write this last year and half of those names arent even on there.

Revisionist history is a waste of time.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
1. Plenty of GMs have had trades in place that they backed out of when a player they didn't think would be available slips. Nobody but a sucker would lock themselves into a trade before draft night.
2. What bias? You think I have personal animus towards Neil Olshey? Just because he stole my girlfriend in high school? WHY JANICE, WHY???
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And why would you list RHJ as our pick when you list Connaughton who was part of that same trade also as our pick. Wouldn't that be the Nets pick by your logic?

The Crabbe pick was traded for at the draft, therefore according to you shouldn't be counted as our pick. Same with the Daniel Diez pick and the Layman pick.

Come back with posts that actually make sense next time.
 
Mediocre Man said:
You are right. I just hate when people say it was Olshey's pick and give him credit because it wasn't.
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You hate that Neil gets credit for something? Tells more about you than Neil's performance.

Managers always get credit and blame for others work, that is part of being a leader.
 
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