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Friedman of Tampa Bay is going to the Dodgers as VP of Baseball operations with Coletti assuming a new title. Rosenthal presented the information with a possible manager trade of Mattingly for Maddon. Going to be watching how all this plays out
 
...I can see why LA might want Friedman, but why TB would want Mattingly over Maddon?
 
yankeesince59 said:
...I can see why LA might want Friedman, but why TB would want Mattingly over Maddon?
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Maybe Maddon wants out desperately after seeing key players sold off time and again. Mattingly has some Tampa connections and would welcome being free of the head case Puig. And of course the std business answer, to do something different from the status quo.
 
Gotta remember Rosenthal was reporting this action then brought up the managerial "trade" into the aftermath of the basic report. He did report that both are on the final years of their contracts in '15 and both would probably start with their current clubs next season. I thought that Friedman leaving the Tampa Team to be a bit of a shock.
 
totus44 said:
Maybe Maddon wants out desperately after seeing key players sold off time and again. Mattingly has some Tampa connections and would welcome being free of the head case Puig. And of course the std business answer, to do something different from the status quo.
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...Mattingly may have Tampa connections but it still doesn't explain why TB would want him instead of Maddon.
 
Be interesting to see Maddon with a big time payroll behind him....but maybe he'll have to stay in the box a bit more and will be less likely to do his little juggling act with his lineups---> if he has a few of those high priced egos.
 
Per MLB ticker shown last night prior to the Birds getting bashed again Maddon wants to stay in Tampa.
 
Well then the FO doesn't want him. Why...again, to shake things up, do something different. I'll try one more time to explain this. You can't gut an entire roster...but you can change certain elements of the players comfort zone. First..coaching staff, then the Mgr. These are actions meant to send messages to players...mostly. Changing GM and Mgr, etc are higher level business decisions, ones not taken lightly by richer franchises.
 
...lol...right. Firing the hitting coach and 1B coach sends a strong "message to the players", but firing the GM would not send a stronger message...check.


...edit; and fwiw, The Dodgers (richer franchise) just relieved their GM of his duties. The Red Sox and Phillies have also changed GMs and/or Managers a good bit in recent years. That's 3 of the 4 highest payrolls in MLB. The other is Yanx, and well, they're above doing such silly things.
 
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yankeesince59 said:
...lol...right. Firing the hitting coach and 1B coach sends a strong "message to the players", but firing the GM would not send a stronger message...check.


...edit; and fwiw, The Dodgers (richer franchise) just relieved their GM of his duties. The Red Sox and Phillies have also changed GMs and/or Managers a good bit in recent years. That's 3 of the 4 highest payrolls in MLB. The other is Yanx, and well, they're above doing such silly things.
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Players interact daily with the GM? More than the mgr or coaching staff? From my real world experiences....axing the site mgr or division head has a whole lot more impact on the grunt employees than the board changing the CEO.

Hey we're just not gonna agree on this subject.
 
I've been reading the local press rags, and I-Net Bums rags; since The Bums, and Kershaw choked.

Next day after the Bums sudden exit in St. Louey, rumors abounded that Puig was trade bait, possibly. Colletti was on the Hot Seat, so said the rags. Yet, if one is on a hot seat, why promote him to a Consultant? While no word has been spoken thus far here in So. Cal, as to Mattingly's - departure, rather quit the opposite....: "Mattingly appears to be safe from walking this off season, since Colletti's supposed removal from GM, exempts any further scrutiny and/or - removal of Donnie Baseball", so said the LA Rags of Bum News.


Why in the world is Lasorda still on the Bums payroll as a consultant? Me-thinks Lasorda ate one too many cannolis and calzone's too...!

I'd never compare Tommy Boy with Popeye Zimmerman.....
 
totus44 said:
Players interact daily with the GM? More than the mgr or coaching staff? From my real world experiences....
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...when did I say that?.

...you stated that "richer teams" don't like changing upper management/coaches very often...I showed otherwise.

... And your "real world experiences"?...please. How can you compare your job to MLB?...and don't say it's the same, because it's not.
...that's comparing apples to oranges. Does your industry have employees with guaranteed contracts who cannot be fired?...gimme a break.
 
Cut from: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...m=newsletter&utm_campaign=los-angeles-dodgers

"A common perception was that Manager Don Mattingly's job also would be in danger after he made several questionable strategical decisions against the Cardinals, but ownership liked how he had handled a combustible clubhouse and will give him at least another season to smooth out his rough managerial edges."

"Richard Justice of MLB.com offered a similar take on Mattingly's future prior to the Friedman hire, arguing that the still relatively new manager wasn't to blame for the Dodgers' postseason struggles, and that the team simply won't find a better replacement, at least not this year:"

"In his four seasons, he has proven himself again and again. First, his personality -- that is, his honesty and essential decency -- play well over a ninth-month season. His teams play consistently hard, and Mattingly has put his players in position to win. Perhaps his biggest accomplishment is taking a clubhouse with big salaries and big personalities and worked hard to get it to function as a cohesive unit."
 
yankeesince59 said:
...when did I say that?.

...you stated that "richer teams" don't like changing upper management/coaches very often...I showed otherwise.

... And your "real world experiences"?...please. How can you compare your job to MLB?...and don't say it's the same, because it's not.
...that's comparing apples to oranges. Does your industry have employees with guaranteed contracts who cannot be fired?...gimme a break.
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Nice spin doctoring. Go right ahead and use your pretzel strategy, I know what I typed, meant and implied and it isn't remotely close to your reframing. I'm done.
 
totus44 said:
Nice spin doctoring. Go right ahead and use your pretzel strategy, I know what I typed, meant and implied and it isn't remotely close to your reframing. I'm done.
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...lol...nice try...you can claim all you want that I twisted your words...but I didn't spin shit.
 
...yeah, I suppose it is "beating a dead horse"...but when someone accuses someone else of doing something, it helps to actually use something more compelling than just their say so.
 
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