Just shut Oden down for the rest of the season

[SodaPopinski]

Many posters on the board have mentioned that it's not about this season, it's about where we are five years down the road.

If that's the case, why risk further injury to Oden? Just do the surgery now so he's ready for the start of the regular season next year.

Am I right? What's the point in playing him now? We're not going to win a championship this year. Right?

-Pop

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Many posters on the board have mentioned that it's not about this season, it's about where we are five years down the road.

If that's the case, why risk further injury to Oden? Just do the surgery now so he's ready for the start of the regular season next year.

Am I right? What's the point in playing him now? We're not going to win a championship this year. Right?

-Pop

repped man,

 

[ironcrotch]

Many posters on the board have mentioned that it's not about this season, it's about where we are five years down the road.

If that's the case, why risk further injury to Oden? Just do the surgery now so he's ready for the start of the regular season next year.

Am I right? What's the point in playing him now? We're not going to win a championship this year. Right?

-Pop

Because we're 4th in the WEST, 3 games from Denver and winning the division?

 

[MrJayremmie]

So he can improve, so he can gain experience in the NBA, so he can grow with our team, to try and make a playoff push and gain valuable experience for the team.

We weren't going to win the championship no matter the trade (that was most likely available for LaFrentz), but our goal is still to make the playoffs...

Of course we WANT to win the title, but trade or not it wasn't going to happen.

 

[PapaG]

Many posters on the board have mentioned that it's not about this season, it's about where we are five years down the road.

If that's the case, why risk further injury to Oden? Just do the surgery now so he's ready for the start of the regular season next year.

Am I right? What's the point in playing him now? We're not going to win a championship this year. Right?

-Pop

I actually haven't seen a single poster state the bolded. Nice strawman.

 

[Minstrel]

It's always about this season and future seasons. You try to achieve as much as possible this season without unduly hurting future seasons. What constitutes "unduly" is opinion.

Unless Oden has an injury that will get worse with more play, I don't think playing him affects the future negatively.

And even if the team's record matters not at all, Oden will only improve through playing.

I sense you're trying to be bitter and sarcastic, but I really don't understand the target.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

By the same logic: why watch Blazer games at all if you think there's a chance of them losing?

 

[SodaPopinski]

Because we're 4th in the WEST, 3 games from Denver and winning the division?

C'mon dude, do you honestly think we are a title contender? Why are we playing him? Just so we can win a couple games in a first-round series? Just shut him down. I want a healthy Oden for five years down the road when we are challenging for a championship!

-Pop

 

[Rastapopoulos]

SodaPopinski and JFizzleRaider: how does it feel to be in agreement with MIXUM? Starting to understand his worldview a little? Soon your abilities to punctuate and enjoy life will just start to slip away...

 

[MrJayremmie]

C'mon dude, do you honestly think we are a title contender?

Were we going to be a title contender with say Vince Carter at SF? I highly doubt it. We wouldn't be as good as LA or SA. You can make the same arguement if we made a trade... If we aren't a title contender, then why even play Carter/RJ? Might as well rest them for 3 years until our core is ready to compete, right?

 

[SodaPopinski]

I actually haven't seen a single poster state the bolded. Nice strawman.

Honest question for you, PapaG ... when do you think the Blazers will be in their "Championship window"?

-Pop

 

[ironcrotch]

SodaPopinski and JFizzleRaider: how does it feel to be in agreement with MIXUM? Starting to understand his worldview a little? Soon your abilities to punctuate and enjoy life will just start to slip away...

speaking of the devil, where is he? I suppose he's slit his wrists or burned all his Blazers memorabilia by now.

 

[alex42083]

I think some are just too pissed off at missing a good opportunity that some irrational behavior is coming out.

 

[SodaPopinski]

Were we going to be a title contender with say Vince Carter at SF? I highly doubt it. We wouldn't be as good as LA or SA.

Did I say anything about Vince Carter? This thread is about Greg Oden.

But if you want to talk about trades, I truly think improving our situation at the 3 could have cemented our HCA for the playoffs so we could have avoided playing LA or San Antonio in the first round. And you could have put us down for a competitive first round and perhaps a run in the second round. At least some playoff success for our core group of guys.

Please tell me how getting swept in the first round by LA or SA is going to help our development?

-Pop

 

[PapaG]

Honest question for you, PapaG ... when do you think the Blazers will be in their "Championship window"?

-Pop

I don't know if they will ever be, but I'm positive that adding Vince Carter would not have made a difference in terms of a championship this season. I'm still wondering who are the "many posters" who said this season doesn't matter, but 5 years down the road does matter. Would you link to them so I can ask them why? I think that is crazy talk from crazy people.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I think some are just too pissed off at missing what they believe on no firm evidence to be a good opportunity that some irrational behavior is coming out.

Needed a tiny bit of editing.

 

[PapaG]

Did I say anything about Vince Carter? This thread is about Greg Oden.

But if you want to talk about trades, I truly think improving our situation at the 3 could have cemented our HCA for the playoffs so we could have avoided playing LA or San Antonio in the first round. And you could have put us down for a competitive first round and perhaps a run in the second round. At least some playoff success for our core group of guys.

Please tell me how getting swept in the first round by LA or SA is going to help our development?

-Pop

Actually this thread is about the "many posters" who said that this season doesn't matter. I am wondering why shutting down Oden is a good idea. If there are "many posters" who feel this way, perhaps you can explain to them how they are wrong.

 

[MrJayremmie]

Did I say anything about Vince Carter? This thread is about Greg Oden.

But if you want to talk about trades, I truly think improving our situation at the 3 could have cemented our HCA for the playoffs so we could have avoided playing LA or San Antonio in the first round. And you could have put us down for a competitive first round and perhaps a run in the second round. At least some playoff success for our core group of guys.

Please tell me how getting swept in the first round by LA or SA is going to help our development?

But we wouldn't be title contenders... so why play? If your stance is that without a trade we won't make the playoffs, fine. But you made a thread stating just because we didn't make a trade we should sit Oden the rest of the year and not even try, which is silly. We wouldn't be title contenders no matter what.

Its not the end of the world that we didn't make a trade, dude. We lost a nice trade piece, but I think we will still try and make something happen during the summer.

 

[SodaPopinski]

I don't know if they will ever be, but I'm positive that adding Vince Carter would not have made a difference in terms of a championship this season.

How do you know that Vince Carter was the only legitimate deal that was out there? If you can criticize those of us who are upset we didn't make a deal, using the logic "you really don't know what deals were being talked about anyway" then that same logic applies to the other side. For all we know, there could have been numerous deals that the majority of us would see as "no-brainers."

I take the statement from KP "I must have traded over 1,000 emails with Paul Allen over the past week" to mean that there were more deals on the table than just the VC one that most people were talking about.

-Pop

 

[alex42083]

Someone hack into KP's email and get those emails to see what kind of offers were there.. I'd love to see it.

 

[PapaG]

How do you know that Vince Carter was the only legitimate deal that was out there? If you can criticize those of us who are upset we didn't make a deal, using the logic "you really don't know what deals were being talked about anyway" then that same logic applies to the other side. For all we know, there could have been numerous deals that the majority of us would see as "no-brainers."

I take the statement from KP "I must have traded over 1,000 emails with Paul Allen over the past week" to mean that there were more deals on the table than just the VC one that most people were talking about.

-Pop

What does this have to do with shutting down Oden for the year to appease still-unknown message board posters? You are all over the map and seem a bit irrational at the moment.

 

[MrJayremmie]

How do you know that Vince Carter was the only legitimate deal that was out there? If you can criticize those of us who are upset we didn't make a deal, using the logic "you really don't know what deals were being talked about anyway" then that same logic applies to the other side. For all we know, there could have been numerous deals that the majority of us would see as "no-brainers."

I take the statement from KP "I must have traded over 1,000 emails with Paul Allen over the past week" to mean that there were more deals on the table than just the VC one that most people were talking about.

How do we know they would have improved our team this year without comprimising what we are building for the future as well? KP has stated that his goal is to build a team that can compete now and for the next 10 years, and I stand behind him with that.

Most of the people on this forum want to make the playoffs this year as bad as you do, and i'm sure the Blazers players, coaching staff and front office wants to even more than us.

 

[SodaPopinski]

Actually this thread is about the "many posters" who said that this season doesn't matter. I am wondering why shutting down Oden is a good idea. If there are "many posters" who feel this way, perhaps you can explain to them how they are wrong.

All you need to do is go through the numerous threads about us not making a deal and read posts from several people saying "we aren't going to make a deep playoff run anyway ... what's the point of a trade?" This logic is the same thing. Why risk damage to the tissue surrounding Oden's knee with the bone chip in there? Shouldn't we just have the surgery done so he can play pain-free in the future? We aren't making a deep playoff run this year anyway.

-Pop

 

[Ghost Pepper]

This would not be good for Odens finances down the road. Teams will think he's the next coming of Tmac or Bynum and good luck getting a franchise sticker put on ya then. If I was his agent I'd tell him to play. Fix knee in offseason and don't make to much of it.

 

[MrJayremmie]

All you need to do is go through the numerous threads about us not making a deal and read posts from several people saying "we aren't going to make a deep playoff run anyway ... what's the point of a trade?" This logic is the same thing. Why risk damage to the tissue surrounding Oden's knee with the bone chip in there? Shouldn't we just have the surgery done so he can play pain-free in the future? We aren't making a deep playoff run this year anyway.

Maybe this subject should be brought up again when we know what exactly is wrong with Oden and if he even requires Surgery.

 

[SodaPopinski]

How do we know they would have improved our team this year without comprimising what we are building for the future as well? KP has stated that his goal is to build a team that can compete now and for the next 10 years, and I stand behind him with that.

You show me all the teams that have been significant title contenders over the past 10 years, and I'll counter that with a response that most, if not all, of them have been very active on the trade and free agent market. Even the Spurs have made significant signings or trades to bring in veterans to go with their core.

-Pop

 

[MrJayremmie]

You show me all the teams that have been significant title contenders over the past 10 years, and I'll counter that with a response that most, if not all, of them have been very active on the trade and free agent market. Even the Spurs have made significant signings or trades to bring in veterans to go with their core.

Come on, man. We have been very active as well. Do you remember what our team was like in the 05-06 season? Even last year we changed up the team... Jack, Jones, Bayless, Fernandez, Batum (even Oden is added). I think we will be ok. I agree its disappointing no trade was made, but you just got to have a little perspective here.

Edit - again, I would have done a Nazr Mohammed/Wallace for Raef/Webster/Sergio deal in a second because we get better now and don't comprimise our future. But we don't know if that trade was on the table... for all we know they may have wanted us to add Batum and take Nazr back, and KP and Allen didn't want to do that.

 

[PapaG]

You show me all the teams that have been significant title contenders over the past 10 years, and I'll counter that with a response that most, if not all, of them have been very active on the trade and free agent market. Even the Spurs have made significant signings or trades to bring in veterans to go with their core.

-Pop

Hmm, yet their core players were all draft picks.

 

[Minstrel]

All you need to do is go through the numerous threads about us not making a deal and read posts from several people saying "we aren't going to make a deep playoff run anyway ... what's the point of a trade?" This logic is the same thing.

It's not remotely the same thing. A team with championship hopes can legitimately argue that burning some future capital for present gain is the rational thing to do. A team with no real championship hopes would have a hard time making that argument.

A trade that nets present value often burns something of future value. You can speculate all you like that Portland could have gotten a player to help them now without losing anything of future value, but there's no evidence to support that.

Oden should be shut down if playing more would damage his chances of being healthy in the future. But, again, you have no evidence for that. Barring that, it actually benefits Portland's future to have Oden play, because Oden needs experience from playing to improve.

Your logic is pretty weak here.

 

[SodaPopinski]

Hmm, yet their core players were all draft picks.

I'm in full agreement with keeping our core in tact. The problem is we have all these young guys surrounding our core who are not going to put us into contention in the near future.

-Pop