<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Answer_AI03:</div><div class="quote_post">people that i would rather have on my team than jason kidd...1-25 (not really in any specific order) :
1. Shaq
2. Kobe
3. AI
4. Lebron
5. Yao Ming
6. Dwayne Wayde
7. Tracy McGrady
8. Kevin Garnett
9. Chris Bosh
10. Gilbert Arenas
11. Paul Pierce
12. Dirk Nowitzki
13. Elton Brand
14. Ray Allen
15. Shawn Marion
16. Steve Nash
17. Barron Davis
18. Chris Paul
19. Dwite Howard
20. Amare Staudimire
21. Tim Duncan
22. Carmelo Anthony
23. Vince Carter
24. Andre Kiralinko
25. Ron Artest
some of these could be interchangable with players that are not on the list, but this was just off the top of my head. I dont think that this list is totally unreasonable either. IMO kidd is only arguably as good as some of these players. Maybe a better "pure point gaurd" but not better overall player.</div>
You horrible miss-spelled "Dwight" and "Dwyane", Baron Davis is even more injured than the so called "injured" Jason Kidd, and Vince Carter himself said that Jason is better than him. Ron Artest is MVP-calibur, but anyone that says he would take him over Jason Kidd is asking for a guy that wants to play 30% of the season. Andrei Kirilenko, Chris Paul, Chris Bosh, hasn't brought his team to the playoffs. Carmelo, T-Mac, Yao haven't gotten out of the first round. Kobe hasn't taken his team out of the first either. Abeit Chris Paul and Kobe who have only really had one to two seasons of trying (and I would take Kobe over Kidd anway), I don't see any legitamate claim saying they're better than Kidd. I could also argue Arenas, Ray Allen, Shawn Marion, and possibly Pierce if I really wanted to. Arenas has not shown me anything that Stephon marbury and Steve Francis hasn't done, except get out of the first round--though to Marbury and Francis' credit, they had to do it in a tougher west in their primes. Marion isn't the first nor second best player on his team. Ray Allen isn't known as a winner. Or hasn't been MVP calibur ever, even though he has the talent to be even better than any SG in the league today. Pierce, AI, it's a toss up I suppose. Kidd has had the better career than Paul, but AI has won MVP while Kidd has gone to the finals twice to AI's one and was considered by many to be robbed of a MVP. Personally as I look at your list, it looks more like a fantasy draft list rather than actual player rankings.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Stop over-rating Kidd. People love to overrate him for things he did in the past. Nash is better than Kidd and Billups i'm not so sure. Nash is for sure a hell of a better player than Kidd. You're talking about supporting casts? Jordan had Pippen, Kukoc, Rodman, Longley. If Nash had Martin, Vanhorn and Jefferson, they would still dominate. When you say Nash has Amare, look how far nash brought them even when Amare was injured this past season. Barbosa was considered lost potential until he was with Nash, and bell was always a side player. Kidd has always been surrounded by good people. The only thing he can do now is pass the ball to Carter, which is pretty much what everyone does. Carter can bring a team to the playoffs without Kidd. Kidd is just riding on the Carter bandwagon. Without Carter there, the Nets became near the last place in the Eastern division after Kenyon left. Says a lot about Kidd at his current state.</div>
#1, if the Nets had swapped Stephon Marbury for Nash instead of Kidd, you honestly are going to tell me Nash would've led the Nets to beat Shaq and Kobe in '02? Give me a break.
#2 If you haven't forgotten, Shawn Marion was considered to be the rawest player coming out of UNLV. Who was the one that started his stardom much like Jefferson? If anything, Nash owes Kidd for perfecting Marions game
#3 Carter himself has said that the Nets don't win if Kidd is not playing well. More so than Carter having a good game. Moreover, Carter has gone as far to say that Kidd is the only reason he can play so well unlike he did the last years in Toronto. If that isn't Nash-like, if not better, then you don't like Kidd and just trying to justify that with bs claims.
#4 Kidd can only have Krstic and Jefferson and still make the playoffs. It really isn't that hard out in the Atlantic. 39 wins and you'll be in the top of the division.
#5 The whole Kidd is surrounded by good people is crap. You're making it as if Nash is surrounded by trash. If he had players like Nick Van Exel in his prime as his BACK UP during our Finals run, it would've been over. Or how about Dirk and a prime Finley? Or how about an absolute manchild in Amare. Amare is way better than Kenyon and I'm as big as a Kenyon fan you'll find on God's green Earth.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kidd DID NOT ressurect carters career. dont even try saying that he did. Carter was just unhappy in toronto and did'nt play like he meant it. He showed his frustration with the raptors franchise through his play. When he got traded it made him happy again so he played like he meant it again. Carter has always been an amazing player, he did'nt need kidd to become that. kidd needed him so people would still think he was an elite point gaurd.</div>
Cause your word means more than Carter's own? Don't try to like you're uncovering something. Kidd can make me score out there.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">This doesnt prove that kidd resurected his career at all. Ya kidd passes the ball to vince alot, but that doesnt mean that he "ressurected" carters career. Its one of the great points about playing with someone who isnt a good scorer: they pass the ball alot. Im pretty sure Carter doesnt need anyone to be a great player.</div>
Kidd if he wanted can score 18 ppg. He doesn't have to be effective. See '03. Also, ain't like Carter doesn't get any help from Kidd.
