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Stop worrying so much about defense guys, if we score more then we'll win, it's simple math lol.


But on a serious note, i will only play him alongside Plumlee or Davis. Playing him alongside Legend or Vonleh will be too soft.
 
Blazers Roy said:
Stop worrying so much about defense guys, if we score more then we'll win, it's simple math lol.


But on a serious note, i will only play him alongside Plumlee or Davis. Playing him alongside Legend or Vonleh will be too soft.
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It seems many basketball fans these days have a defense fetish. A guy like Deandre Jordan who sucks at offense and is good at defense....sure throw him the max, but when you flip it, many don't want a guy with "no defense".

Also, if we get McDaniels, that will be another defensive specialist. We'd have an interesting mixture of players.
 
Sinobas said:
It seems many basketball fans these days have a defense fetish. A guy like Deandre Jordan who sucks at offense and is good at defense....sure throw him the max, but when you flip it, many don't want a guy with "no defense".

Also, if we get McDaniels, that will be another defensive specialist. We'd have an interesting mixture of players.
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Yeah, at this point the team just needs a talent injection. They can worry about how it all fits later, that's why they get paid the big bucks.
 
Sinobas said:
It seems many basketball fans these days have a defense fetish. A guy like Deandre Jordan who sucks at offense and is good at defense....sure throw him the max, but when you flip it, many don't want a guy with "no defense".

Also, if we get McDaniels, that will be another defensive specialist. We'd have an interesting mixture of players.
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Not that I want to agree too many times with you, but didn't we already get a bunch of defensive minded "no offense" players already?
 
In April Kaner put up 24/17 on 11-19 shooting against Marc Gasol and Zach Randolph in 34 minutes.

He might suck defensively (haven't seen enough of him to really know), but you're getting a 23 year old center with a polished offensive game and iirc, strong as fuck in the paint. He's a load.
 
magnifier661 said:
Not that I want to agree too many times with you, but didn't we already get a bunch of defensive minded "no offense" players already?
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Aminu fits that catagory, but not sure if the Blazers will use him at SF or PF. They might see KJ as being redundant to Aminu...but KJ would just be one more young athletic scrapper. I think he's quicker on the perimeter and could guard guys like Westbrook.
 
Of course a former teammate isn't impressed:

Kanter’s former Utah Jazz teammate Trevor Booker summed up the problem concisely after the Jazz beat the Thunder on March 28.

“He did what he always does: he got his stats, he didn’t defend, he took an L,”
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Whose minutes does he take?

We just shelled out good money for Davis and traded our first round pick for Plumlee. Does this mean we have already abandoned all hope of developing Leonard and Vonleh?
 
magnifier661 said:
They cannot match over anything that's over MLE. We can give him an offer over MLE with back end bonuses.
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http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q45

Before 2005 it was sometimes possible to sign restricted free agents to offer sheets their original teams couldn't match. This happened when a player was an Early Bird or Non-Bird free agent (see question number 25) and the team didn't have enough cap room to match a sufficiently large offer. For example, Gilbert Arenas was Golden State's second round draft pick in 2001, and became an Early Bird free agent in 2003. Golden State could only match an offer sheet (or sign Arenas directly) for up to the amount of the Early Bird exception, which was about $4.9 million at the time. Washington signed Arenas to an offer sheet with a starting salary of about $8.5 million, which Golden State was powerless to match.

This loophole was addressed starting with the 2005 CBA (although not closed completely -- see below). Teams are now limited in the salary they can offer in an offer sheet to a restricted free agent with one or two years in the league. The first-year salary in the offer sheet cannot be greater than the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see question number 25). Limiting the first-year salary in this way enables the player's original team to match the offer sheet by using the Early Bird exception (if applicable -- see question number 25), or Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (provided they have it and haven't used it already)1.

The second-year salary in such an offer sheet is limited to the standard 4.5% raise. The third-year salary can jump considerably -- it is allowed to be as high as it would have been had the first-year salary not been limited by this rule to the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception2. The salary in the fourth season may increase (or decrease) by up to 4.1% of the salary in the third season. The offer sheet can only contain the large jump in the third season if it provides the highest salary allowed in the first two seasons, it is fully guaranteed, and it contains no bonuses of any kind.
 
Denny Crane said:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q45

Before 2005 it was sometimes possible to sign restricted free agents to offer sheets their original teams couldn't match. This happened when a player was an Early Bird or Non-Bird free agent (see question number 25) and the team didn't have enough cap room to match a sufficiently large offer. For example, Gilbert Arenas was Golden State's second round draft pick in 2001, and became an Early Bird free agent in 2003. Golden State could only match an offer sheet (or sign Arenas directly) for up to the amount of the Early Bird exception, which was about $4.9 million at the time. Washington signed Arenas to an offer sheet with a starting salary of about $8.5 million, which Golden State was powerless to match.

This loophole was addressed starting with the 2005 CBA (although not closed completely -- see below). Teams are now limited in the salary they can offer in an offer sheet to a restricted free agent with one or two years in the league. The first-year salary in the offer sheet cannot be greater than the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see question number 25). Limiting the first-year salary in this way enables the player's original team to match the offer sheet by using the Early Bird exception (if applicable -- see question number 25), or Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (provided they have it and haven't used it already)1.

The second-year salary in such an offer sheet is limited to the standard 4.5% raise. The third-year salary can jump considerably -- it is allowed to be as high as it would have been had the first-year salary not been limited by this rule to the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception2. The salary in the fourth season may increase (or decrease) by up to 4.1% of the salary in the third season. The offer sheet can only contain the large jump in the third season if it provides the highest salary allowed in the first two seasons, it is fully guaranteed, and it contains no bonuses of any kind.
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Gotta read further:

"As I said above, the loophole was addressed with this rule, but not closed completely. The Gilbert Arenas provision is primarily intended to protect teams from losing their successful second round picks, who are typically Early Bird free agents after two years. There are several situations where a team still might be unable to match an offer sheet:

If the player is a Non-Bird free agent, the team only has the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, and the offer sheet is higher or for more years than allowed by the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception."
 
Denny Crane said:
http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q45

Before 2005 it was sometimes possible to sign restricted free agents to offer sheets their original teams couldn't match. This happened when a player was an Early Bird or Non-Bird free agent (see question number 25) and the team didn't have enough cap room to match a sufficiently large offer. For example, Gilbert Arenas was Golden State's second round draft pick in 2001, and became an Early Bird free agent in 2003. Golden State could only match an offer sheet (or sign Arenas directly) for up to the amount of the Early Bird exception, which was about $4.9 million at the time. Washington signed Arenas to an offer sheet with a starting salary of about $8.5 million, which Golden State was powerless to match.

This loophole was addressed starting with the 2005 CBA (although not closed completely -- see below). Teams are now limited in the salary they can offer in an offer sheet to a restricted free agent with one or two years in the league. The first-year salary in the offer sheet cannot be greater than the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see question number 25). Limiting the first-year salary in this way enables the player's original team to match the offer sheet by using the Early Bird exception (if applicable -- see question number 25), or Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (provided they have it and haven't used it already)1.

The second-year salary in such an offer sheet is limited to the standard 4.5% raise. The third-year salary can jump considerably -- it is allowed to be as high as it would have been had the first-year salary not been limited by this rule to the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception2. The salary in the fourth season may increase (or decrease) by up to 4.1% of the salary in the third season. The offer sheet can only contain the large jump in the third season if it provides the highest salary allowed in the first two seasons, it is fully guaranteed, and it contains no bonuses of any kind.
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I am thinking that the first 2 would be the normal MLE, with the final being a big one. Then the salaries would have to average out as the min. Similar to how Asik left Chicago..
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Gotta read further:

"As I said above, the loophole was addressed with this rule, but not closed completely. The Gilbert Arenas provision is primarily intended to protect teams from losing their successful second round picks, who are typically Early Bird free agents after two years. There are several situations where a team still might be unable to match an offer sheet:

If the player is a Non-Bird free agent, the team only has the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, and the offer sheet is higher or for more years than allowed by the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception."
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Two interesting bits about him. McDaniel is a RFA.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on...mcdaniels-earn-this-offseason-as-a-free-agent

And to explain the maximum amount that he can make, I first must explain the Arenas provision. Named after Gilbert Arenas -- who used the old rules to sign with the Washington Wizards in 2003 after his second NBA season -- the Arenas provision (supposedly) makes it easier for incumbent teams to re-sign restricted free agents, restricting the maximum amount that another team can offer McDaniels in the first season to the non-taxpayer mid-level exception. Also, it restricts the second year of McDaniels' deal to a 4.5 percent raise off of that first-season (the typical raise on mid-level exception NBA contracts). After those two seasons, the third and fourth years of the deal can be the maximum amount a team can offer a player prior to their seventh season of service time, but a jump can only be made if the first two seasons are for the full non-taxpayer mid-level amount.

Basically, this means McDaniels is limited in what he can make the next two seasons, but not the third and fourth years. Let's put some numbers to the words I just threw at you.

If McDaniels is to sign an offer sheet with someone else, the maximum that the first season can be worth is $5.46 million (the mid-level exception for 2015-16), and the maximum the second season can be worth is $5.7 million (the mid-level exception plus 4.5 percent). If a team chooses to give him that much money in the first two seasons, they will then have opportunity to give him a much bigger salary jump in the third season. The team offering him the contract would then be able to sign him to a max salary in the third and fourth seasons if they so chose (or anything between $5.7 and the max). This year, that max was $14.7 million, so let's use that as an estimate, then use a fourth max year as $15.4 million, a 4.5 percent raise off of the third-year salary.

So therefore, a team could conceivably sign McDaniels to a four year, $42 million deal with annual salaries of $5.46 million, $5.7 million, $14.7 million and $15.4 million. If that looks a bit confusing, it gets a bit more convoluted here: the cap hit for the team that signs McDaniels for each of the four seasons would then be the annual average value of the contract, which in this case would be about $10.5 million. However, if the 76ers matched, they would be on the hook for actual salaries each season as a cap hit instead, meaning near $15 million cap hits in the final two years (which is where the rule becomes disadvantageous for the incumbent team despite its initial goal). So a team must be under the cap enough to offer McDaniels the average over the life of the deal.
 
Denny Crane said:
Two interesting bits about him. McDaniel is a RFA.

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on...mcdaniels-earn-this-offseason-as-a-free-agent

And to explain the maximum amount that he can make, I first must explain the Arenas provision. Named after Gilbert Arenas -- who used the old rules to sign with the Washington Wizards in 2003 after his second NBA season -- the Arenas provision (supposedly) makes it easier for incumbent teams to re-sign restricted free agents, restricting the maximum amount that another team can offer McDaniels in the first season to the non-taxpayer mid-level exception. Also, it restricts the second year of McDaniels' deal to a 4.5 percent raise off of that first-season (the typical raise on mid-level exception NBA contracts). After those two seasons, the third and fourth years of the deal can be the maximum amount a team can offer a player prior to their seventh season of service time, but a jump can only be made if the first two seasons are for the full non-taxpayer mid-level amount.

Basically, this means McDaniels is limited in what he can make the next two seasons, but not the third and fourth years. Let's put some numbers to the words I just threw at you.

If McDaniels is to sign an offer sheet with someone else, the maximum that the first season can be worth is $5.46 million (the mid-level exception for 2015-16), and the maximum the second season can be worth is $5.7 million (the mid-level exception plus 4.5 percent). If a team chooses to give him that much money in the first two seasons, they will then have opportunity to give him a much bigger salary jump in the third season. The team offering him the contract would then be able to sign him to a max salary in the third and fourth seasons if they so chose (or anything between $5.7 and the max). This year, that max was $14.7 million, so let's use that as an estimate, then use a fourth max year as $15.4 million, a 4.5 percent raise off of the third-year salary.

So therefore, a team could conceivably sign McDaniels to a four year, $42 million deal with annual salaries of $5.46 million, $5.7 million, $14.7 million and $15.4 million. If that looks a bit confusing, it gets a bit more convoluted here: the cap hit for the team that signs McDaniels for each of the four seasons would then be the annual average value of the contract, which in this case would be about $10.5 million. However, if the 76ers matched, they would be on the hook for actual salaries each season as a cap hit instead, meaning near $15 million cap hits in the final two years (which is where the rule becomes disadvantageous for the incumbent team despite its initial goal). So a team must be under the cap enough to offer McDaniels the average over the life of the deal.
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I think that's what most of us are thinking. I believe this was the same way we were able to get Matthews.
 
Here's the thing.

If you offer 5+5+15+15 for him, you have to use up $10M of cap space each of 4 years. For Houston, they get to match the first 5 with MLE, and get 5,5, then 15,15 against their cap.
 
Denny Crane said:
Here's the thing.

If you offer 5+5+15+15 for him, you have to use up $10M of cap space each of 4 years. For Houston, they get to match the first 5 with MLE, and get 5,5, then 15,15 against their cap.
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Sounds like the Lin/Asik deals
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Gotta read further:

"As I said above, the loophole was addressed with this rule, but not closed completely. The Gilbert Arenas provision is primarily intended to protect teams from losing their successful second round picks, who are typically Early Bird free agents after two years. There are several situations where a team still might be unable to match an offer sheet:

If the player is a Non-Bird free agent, the team only has the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception, and the offer sheet is higher or for more years than allowed by the Taxpayer Mid-Level exception."
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Just to be clear:

The first-year salary in the offer sheet cannot be greater than the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see question number 25). Limiting the first-year salary in this way enables the player's original team to match the offer sheet by using the Early Bird exception (if applicable -- see question number 25), or Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (provided they have it and haven't used it already)1.
 
Denny Crane said:
Just to be clear:

The first-year salary in the offer sheet cannot be greater than the Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (see question number 25). Limiting the first-year salary in this way enables the player's original team to match the offer sheet by using the Early Bird exception (if applicable -- see question number 25), or Non-Taxpayer Mid-Level exception (provided they have it and haven't used it already)1.
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Ah, I now see my error. The part I quoted referenced teams above the luxury tax apron, which does not apply to Houston--yet. However, with the deal they've agreed to with Brewer, and Josh Smith's cap hold, I believe they would have to renounce Smith in order to match a MLE+ offer on McDaniels.
 
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