OKC matches on Kanter

[oldfisherman]

A win win would have been if no one signed Kanter and Presti only had to pay him about 12 million per year. I don't buy that OKC was prepared to offer 15.....if they didn't have to. Let alone 17.5

Agree with Mag661, Kanter will be harder to trade.

However, the Thunder offer to Kanter of $15.5 has been reported many times, just not locally. Not sure why?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I don't think it means we won't go after McDaniels.. we have 6 wing players, 5 big men, and 2 point gaurds. Thing is though, Aminu can play the 4 and CJ will play some PG. so we could go definitly add another wing

As I said, we are in asset acquisition mode. But we had room to offer a deal to KJ that Houston couldn't match despite the Kanter offer, so I'm curious to see what happens. Plus I can see NO not wanting to end up left alone at the altar again. How many times can you go through that in one offseason?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

A win win would have been if no one signed Kanter and Presti only had to pay him about 12 million per year. I don't buy that OKC was prepared to offer 15.....if they didn't have to. Let alone 17.5

I guess you missed the part where Woj says they offered $64mil to Kanter? Aka $15.5mil per season. And $13.5mil was widely reported.

 

[BonesJones]

As I said, we are in asset acquisition mode. But we had room to offer a deal to KJ that Houston couldn't match despite the Kanter offer, so I'm curious to see what happens. Plus I can see NO not wanting to end up left alone at the altar again.

Houstons over the cap. I think they have their MLE but they have no bird rights in McDaniels. So if Neil offers him just a little over the MLE ($6M), I believe Houston would be unable to match.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Houstons over the cap. I think they have their MLE but they have no bird rights in McDaniels. So if Neil offers him just a little over the MLE ($6M), I believe Houston would be unable to match.

That's why I don't know that we're interested. If we were, we could have made the offer even if Kanter on the table. Then we make the deal for Harkless. We are trying to build a roster, and KJ makes a lot of sense, but some recent items speak against offering KJ.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Always the brides maid, and never the bride.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Always the brides maid, and never the bride.

I read they just passed that law, you should be ok now

 

[Pinwheel1]

I guess you missed the part where Woj says they offered $64mil to Kanter? Aka $15.5mil per season. And $13.5mil was widely reported.

I saw Woj claim 62 million range. He didn't say if it was 4 or 5 years. If it was 5, then it would 12.5

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

I saw Woj claim 62 million range. He didn't say if it was 4 or 5 years. If it was 5, then it would 12.5

Other writers also said $15.5mil per season, and that was after a widely-publicized $54mil/4 offer ($13.5 mil per season). They wouldn't decrease the offer at that point. That makes zero sense.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Other writers also said $15.5mil per season, and that was after a widely-publicized $54mil/4 offer ($13.5 mil per season). They wouldn't decrease the offer at that point. That makes zero sense.

13.5 is still 4 million less THIS year before the cap goes up again. He can't be jumping up and down about that.

 

[e_blazer]

like who though?

No way of knowing right now. Nothing says it has to be right now. I could see going to camp with what we have now and waiting for something good to come up before the deadline.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

No way of knowing right now. Nothing says it has to be right now. I could see going to camp with what we have now and waiting for something good to come up before the deadline.

I agree. No idea why people are in such a hurry to fill that cap space. Wait until a team that thinks they are good, ends up sucking and realizing they don't want to pay that much to suck. That's when we need to make a move and acquire picks for taking a player or two from them

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

13.5 is still 4 million less THIS year before the cap goes up again. He can't be jumping up and down about that.

Again, you're missing the point. They offered that, then $64mil, which would imply over 4 years, so $15.5mil per season. What's $2mil per season? Nothing. Apparently, OKC agrees, which is why they matched, as anyone with basic understanding of the NBA saw coming.

 

[Denny Crane]

You know... Olshey just Pritch slapped Presti.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Again, you're missing the point. They offered that, then $64mil, which would imply over 4 years, so $15.5mil per season. What's $2mil per season? Nothing. Apparently, OKC agrees, which is why they matched, as anyone with basic understanding of the NBA saw coming.

If the deal from OKC would have ended up being more in the long run for Kanter, and everyone in the NBA saw it coming, including Kanter's agent, then why did he sign our deal? Why did he not take OKC's?

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

If the deal from OKC would have ended up being more in the long run for Kanter, and everyone in the NBA saw it coming, including Kanter's agent, then why did he sign our deal? Why did he not take OKC's?

I'm sorry. I don't really get your point or your gibberish at this point. Do you have a point? Basically, OKC and Kanter were at a standstill. PDX was trying to make a move. Kanter was eventually going to get the max. He liked PDX enough to agree to a max deal to get things moving, knowing its likely get OKC to match (which they saved a couple mil by doing, as opposed to offering themselves). If you've offered a 23-year old potential-star $15.5 mil, and he balks and wants max, which is $2mil per season more, are you going to blink at that extra amount? You know you're going to max it out eventually. You just wait for a team to say, "OK, I'll bite." That's where Portland came in and said they'd take a chance.

But OKC knew they'd eventually have to just offer the max. We just expedited the process and saved them money. They were very clear from day one they'd match. Anyone that didn't believe was working on their own personal belief system that was way off base.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Houstons over the cap. I think they have their MLE but they have no bird rights in McDaniels. So if Neil offers him just a little over the MLE ($6M), I believe Houston would be unable to match.

The Gilbert Arenas provision prevents us from offering a contract starting higher than MLE. We can offer a large raise in year three, but Houston can still use their MLE to match.

 

[AquaXI]

Would have been an awesome mish mesh of players this season! I leaned both ways on this but now that it's over I'm still excited with all we scooped up in the last 2 weeks!

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Would have been an awesome mish mesh of players this season! I leaned both ways on this but now that it's over I'm still excited with all we scooped up in the last 2 weeks!

Agreed. Lotta players added for little. Lotta potential. I suspect a player or two will really step up this season, and it'll take a season or two for another couple to develop. It's a real rebuild. But I like the guys we currently have for the rebuild.

 

[oldmangrouch]

We dodged the bullet on Turkey-Glue, and to a lesser extent on Hibbert. Kanter has a good chance of being #3 in the hall of shame. It all worked out for the best.

 

[magnifier661]

I'm sorry. I don't really get your point or your gibberish at this point. Do you have a point? Basically, OKC and Kanter were at a standstill. PDX was trying to make a move. Kanter was eventually going to get the max. He liked PDX enough to agree to a max deal to get things moving, knowing its likely get OKC to match (which they saved a couple mil by doing, as opposed to offering themselves). If you've offered a 23-year old potential-star $15.5 mil, and he balks and wants max, which is $2mil per season more, are you going to blink at that extra amount? You know you're going to max it out eventually. You just wait for a team to say, "OK, I'll bite." That's where Portland came in and said they'd take a chance.

But OKC knew they'd eventually have to just offer the max. We just expedited the process and saved them money. They were very clear from day one they'd match. Anyone that didn't believe was working on their own personal belief system that was way off base.

But honestly that really doesn't make sense. If everyone and their mothers knew OKC would match any max offers, then why not wait it out and get even more max from OKC?

Presto got Pritchslapped like Denny suggested. OLC knew their only threat was Blazers to pick him up for max. They gambled and lost.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

But honestly that really doesn't make sense. If everyone and their mothers knew OKC would match any max offers, then why not wait it out and get even more max from OKC?

Presto got Pritchslapped like Denny suggested. OLC knew their only threat was Blazers to pick him up for max. They gambled and lost.

Basically, in the end, they met in the middle. Presti was daring Kanter to get that offer. He did. No big deal.

 

[Blazer Freak]

Blazers are damned if they do, damned if they don't with you guys. There's no one else that wouldn't have been there after the three days were up. Why not put pressure on a division opponent and force them to potentially weaken themselves later in the season.

Not to mention Kanter is now untradeable for them now. With the offer sheet he gets a no trade clause, has a trade kicker, and now pretty much will only be tradeable in the second year of trh deal and it would have to be to a team that HE wants.

A nice strategic movie by NO, and one I'm sure a lot of the NBA was hoping he would do.

 

[magnifier661]

Basically, in the end, they met in the middle. Presti was daring Kanter to get that offer. He did. No big deal.

So we can agree that we were hardly played right? In fact, Olshey made the cheap skate come up and pay the kitty to play ball. Good for him!

 

[oldmangrouch]

Blazers are damned if they do, damned if they don't with you guys. There's no one else that wouldn't have been there after the three days were up. Why not put pressure on a division opponent and force them to potentially weaken themselves later in the season.

Not to mention Kanter is now untradeable for them now. With the offer sheet he gets a no trade clause, has a trade kicker, and now pretty much will only be tradeable in the second year of trh deal and it would have to be to a team that HE wants.

A nice strategic movie by NO, and one I'm sure a lot of the NBA was hoping he would do.

In the end, it worked out well for the Blazers. It was, however, one heck of a risk.

 

[Blazer Freak]

In the end, it worked out well for the Blazers. It was, however, one heck of a risk.

It was definitely a risk, and I get that Kanter may not be the best locker room guy...but what's wrong with adding a 23 year old center who puts up stats? AT WORST, he's a talent we could trade next off-season to a team who misses out on a big FA.

It was a risk, but the downside to me just wasn't as big as some of you are making it out to be. It's not like he's injury prone and we would have been saddled with a contract we could never move.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

So we can agree that we were hardly played right? In fact, Olshey made the cheap skate come up and pay the kitty to play ball. Good for him!

I don't think Kanter played us. I don't think OKC was sweating this though.

 

[Pinwheel1]

It was definitely a risk, and I get that Kanter may not be the best locker room guy...but what's wrong with adding a 23 year old center who puts up stats? AT WORST, he's a talent we could trade next off-season to a team who misses out on a big FA.

It was a risk, but the downside to me just wasn't as big as some of you are making it out to be. It's not like he's injury prone and we would have been saddled with a contract we could never move.

I agree with what are you are saying. But I still can't shake the feeling I had thinking that Kanter making so much more money than the rest of the team was going to be an issue, UNLESS he was "one of the boys".
If his teammates liked him, then they would be happy for him, knowing their time would come.

But if he rubbed people the wrong way and didn't give max effort for his max contract......then it would have been ugly. Normally I wouldn't worry, but something about him made me believe it would have been a disaster. It will be interesting to follow how he gets along with Durant and Westbrook now that he has been paid.

 

[Draco]

But we had room to offer a deal to KJ that Houston couldn't match despite the Kanter offer, so I'm curious to see what happens.

Houstons over the cap. I think they have their MLE but they have no bird rights in McDaniels. So if Neil offers him just a little over the MLE ($6M), I believe Houston would be unable to match.

No this is incorrect. Its the same scenario as Jeremy Lin and Omer Asik. We can offer a $25 million three year contract that hits our cap as 8/8/8 but if Houston matched it would hit their cap as 5/5/15. They can match any offer. Not sure if its smart to pay a second round pick $25 million though.

Perhaps we're trying to wait this one out and hope they give Josh Smith their MLE. If they do that we could give KJ a much smaller offer they can't match.

 

[Chris Craig]

Let us kneel next to our beds tonight and thank the basketball gods, that we did not get Kanter