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http://www.blazersedge.com/2014/7/19/5919271/2015-salary-cap-room-analysis

The Blazers would be about $23.9M above the NBA estimated 2015 salary cap with these players and their cap holds, and would only have the $5.5M MLE to use on free agents. (Although the Total Team Salary is above the Luxury Tax Apron, the Non-Taxpayer $5.5M MLE still applies because free agent cap holds are excluded for determining the type of MLE.)
 
Denny Crane said:
Because using the MLE put the Bulls over the LT and under the apron. If the Bulls did the S&T, they'd have been under the LT.

By your own figuring, even countin Brewer, Beverly, and use of the full MLE, they're under the LT anyway.
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All I said is that it would put them close to the apron, which they would then not be permitted to exceed, which would limit their options for their other FA's. It's a legit concern, especially if they fancy themselves contenders and believe that Smith and Terry will be more important to a title pursuit than McDaniels would be.
 
RoyToy said:
Of course a former teammate isn't impressed:
Kanter’s former Utah Jazz teammate Trevor Booker summed up the problem concisely after the Jazz beat the Thunder on March 28.

“He did what he always does: he got his stats, he didn’t defend, he took an L,”
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HAHA! that reminds me how i lost a bet because that jackass (Kanter) beat the spread at the last second when his team was actually down by 10.

Dribble it out you asshole, this is aMurica!
 
See the BE link I just cited.

Blazers were below the apron, get full MLE, and can go way over the apron to sign their own guys.
 
Denny Crane said:
http://www.blazersedge.com/2014/7/19/5919271/2015-salary-cap-room-analysis

The Blazers would be about $23.9M above the NBA estimated 2015 salary cap with these players and their cap holds, and would only have the $5.5M MLE to use on free agents. (Although the Total Team Salary is above the Luxury Tax Apron, the Non-Taxpayer $5.5M MLE still applies because free agent cap holds are excluded for determining the type of MLE.)
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Calculated using cap holds; irrelevant to this discussion.
 
oldmangrouch said:
Whose minutes does he take?

We just shelled out good money for Davis and traded our first round pick for Plumlee. Does this mean we have already abandoned all hope of developing Leonard and Vonleh?
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I don't think you understand the mentality right now. We are showcasing all these players so we can sell them for better players in the future.

Hate to break it down to you ,but Vonleh is not our future finals MVP.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Calculated using cap holds; irrelevant to this discussion.
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Sorry, but completely relevant. The Blazers get the MLE in his scenario, even though they can sign their own free agents to $89M (plus MLE). The $89M is over the apron.

Do tell how this is different than Houston's situation...
 
Denny Crane said:
See the BE link I just cited.

Blazers were below the apron, get full MLE, and can go way over the apron to sign their own guys.
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No. They can not. You're wrong. Sorry. From your link:

Table B shows that if the Blazers used their full MLE they couldn’t later sign Lopez and Barton for much more than their cap holds without exceeding the Apron, which would violate the Hard Cap rule. Conversely, if they signed Lopez for $12M, they could then only use the Tax-Payer MLE because they would be over the Apron
 
Denny Crane said:
Sorry, but completely relevant. The Blazers get the MLE in his scenario, even though they can sign their own free agents to $89M (plus MLE). The $89M is over the apron.

Do tell how this is different than Houston's situation...
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False
 
RR7 said:
No. They can not. You're wrong. Sorry. From your link:

Table B shows that if the Blazers used their full MLE they couldn’t later sign Lopez and Barton for much more than their cap holds without exceeding the Apron, which would violate the Hard Cap rule. Conversely, if they signed Lopez for $12M, they could then only use the Tax-Payer MLE because they would be over the Apron
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Ok I admit my misunderstanding. However, Houston isn't in danger of needing to exceed the apron.
 
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Maybe the Rockets would trade us Ariza for cap space. They seem to have a lot of SFs.
 
The real question is whether Houston could match an offer sheet that averages more than the MLE.
 
Why the fuck would Portland need ariza
 
Denny Crane said:
Sorry, but completely relevant. The Blazers get the MLE in his scenario, even though they can sign their own free agents to $89M (plus MLE). The $89M is over the apron.

Do tell how this is different than Houston's situation...
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Because that portion you quoted was simply showing their position in relation to the cap including cap holds and their available exceptions, whereas I am discussing actual salaries, not cap holds.

The analysis is correct--prior to actually using the NTPMLE or exceeding the apron, both options are (mutually exclusively) available. However, as was stated father down in the analysis (thank you RR7), once the NTPMLE is used to sign a player for an amount greater than the TPMLE, the apron cannot be exceeded.

You have yet to show any analyst who actually states that a team can both use the NTPMLE and also exceed the apron in the same year. The reason is obvious: because the CBA makes it very clear that you cannot, and nobody who actually knows what they're talking about would claim that you can.
 
Sinobas said:
The real question is whether Houston could match an offer sheet that averages more than the MLE.
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Unfortunately, they can. The average salary bit only applies to the team offering the contract; the team matching only needs to use their MLE.
 
If the Blazers were going after Kanter, they would have done it IMO. It's not like there's other big guys they're waiting on. But I guess they could also be taking it slow.
 
Blazer509 said:
If the Blazers were going after Kanter, they would have done it IMO. It's not like there's other big guys they're waiting on. But I guess they could also be taking it slow.
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They can't sign him to an offer sheet until Wednesday night.
 
Blazers Roy said:
I don't think you understand the mentality right now. We are showcasing all these players so we can sell them for better players in the future.

Hate to break it down to you ,but Vonleh is not our future finals MVP.
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I actually agree with you on Vonleh, but whether the plan is to develop him or showcase him, you need to play him.
 
oldmangrouch said:
I actually agree with you on Vonleh, but whether the plan is to develop him or showcase him, you need to play him.
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I don't even think Vom will be with this team by the time we start the season. Call it a guess
 
Blazinaway said:
what the hell else would we call it? visions on an LSD trip?
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Call what? Von being gone before the season starts? Hmmm let me think about this one for a minute....

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I don't know if this is trick question, but I'm gonna shoot from the hip....


A trade?
 
Rather than start yet another Kanter thread, I figure I'll just post in the one year has his name in the title.

For those advocating strongly against Kanter--what is the material difference between his game and Aldridge's? I haven't watched him enough to be able to provide any educated analysis thereon.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Rather than start yet another Kanter thread, I figure I'll just post in the one year has his name in the title.

For those advocating strongly against Kanter--what is the material difference between his game and Aldridge's? I haven't watched him enough to be able to provide any educated analysis thereon.
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We're living in a material world and Aldridge is a material girl.
 
But really, Enes is more efficient. LA shot 46% from 2 last year, Kanter shot 53%. Kanter has a good jump shot, but takes 70% of his shots within 10 feet. LA takes 65% of his shots beyond 10 feet.
 
Or to put it another way, Enes makes 2 less points on 5 less shots (per 36).
 
Sinobas said:
But really, Enes is more efficient. LA shot 46% from 2 last year, Kanter shot 53%. Kanter has a good jump shot, but takes 70% of his shots within 10 feet. LA takes 65% of his shots beyond 10 feet.
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Sinobas said:
Or to put it another way, Enes makes 2 less points on 5 less shots (per 36).
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No offense, Sinobas, but you were probably happier than anybody that Aldridge went elsewhere, so you're not quite who I wanted to hear from. I tend to agree with you that offensively, Kanter can provide as much, if not more, than Aldridge has/did.

But how is Kanter a downgrade from LA? Is the general consensus that his defense is SO bad that his offensive efficiency is irrelevant? Would it be a different story if he were playing PF instead of C? Or would that make it even worse because of his (lack of) footspeed? Would it make a difference if he were playing with Aminu and Davis (like Aldridge flourishing while playing with Rolo)?

The conventional wisdom is that LA's absence cripples this team. If Kanter's production is relatively similar, why wouldn't we want to bring him in to replace LA?
 
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