Kanye West vs. 50 Cent

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<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">There are very few socially conscious rappers these days. Even if there were more, is that the kind of music you want to listen to? Socially conscious lyrics would be great to read, but nine times out of ten, they don't make good songs. That's why I listen almost exclusively to southern rap. Yeah, there's not much thought in the lyrics, and it doesn't take much talent to rap over the beat, but the songs are at least dancable and fun to bump in your car. What's the point of listening to northern rap with lame lyrics and lame beats? I don't get why anybody would listen to, say, Raekwon, over any of the triple six.</div>
Socially conscious rappers are out there if you look for them. It's not the only type of rap that I listen to, but I definitely love hearing some lyrics that can make you reflect on a topic over a raw-sounding beat and I respect someone who can articulate themselves that well in a rap song. Anyways, the only reason I brought that genre up is because Kanye gets grouped in with those type of artists because he's not the typical mainstream gangsta rapper. But he's nowhere near the artist those dudes are.

Anyways, I can respect that you like southern rap over most of the stuff I listen to (you do live in Memphis), but I personally can't stand most southern hip hop. I don't know, I'd take Raekwon's wordplay on a RZA beat over the same regurgitated beat any day.
 
Voodoo man, Kanye ain't really jacking riffs from artists. It's called sampling when he uses that type of stuff, you take something from another song and incorperate it into a new sounding beat. All producers sample beats, guys like Just Blaze. He's not jacking the song, he's sampling it and Kanye's known for sampling off songs off the 70's and 80's and making them into classic beats. Through the Wire is a perfect example where he sampled the song Through the Fire by Chaka Khan and turned it into a classic beat.

Also please don't say he has no depth in his lyrics. I mean sure he's cocky and sometimes arrogant but if you listen to some of his stuff it aint that shallow. I'm starting to think that the only Kanye West songs you've ever heard are the ones that pop up on the radio, which like most songs are the more catchy songs not necessarily the ones with the best lyricism. I mean, Kanye is one of the more creative rappers out there and isn't just the generic 'gangster with hoes'. He's not the deepest guy in the world, but to say he has NO depth is crazy. Tell me VC, what's your definition of depth in rap? Cause I don't want to go into any lyrics right now without knowing what your criteria is for this apparent lack of depth Kanye has.
(not trying to sound rude, just getting involved in a friendly debate)
 
Kanye has a big lead in iTune single downloads over 50 Cent. Not sure if this is a good indicator, but I think 50 Cent accomplished what he wanted out of this challenge by getting more publicity for himself.

50 Cent doesn't do it for me either as a rapper, but I have to admit, he's damn good at marketing himself. If he loses he'll probably retire the 50 Cent character, and then re-emerge under his real name, Curtis Jackson.

Seems to be the formula a lot of rappers use.
 
Your looking into Jesus Walks too hard, it's one song. You still haven't explained whatever "intellectualism" your talking about. Than you talk about Kanye sampling, a huge part of producing hip hop is about sampling..and Kanye is pretty damn good at it. I really hate when people try and build an argument on one song, I'm not necessarily saying VC is, but people have done it here before and I've been running into it on other sites as well. Is Through the Wire flase intellectualism? How about Roses? We Don't Care? For one song you named in Jesus Walks, which I don't love, but isn't bad IMO...Those are three genuinely good songs.
 
anyone here barry bonds by kanye? i was somewhat dissapointed....
 
<div class="quote_poster">thedude9990 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">anyone here barry bonds by kanye? i was somewhat dissapointed....</div>

I heard it too. I just wasn't feeling that song.
 
Why would they(song has Wayne on it) diss Barry Bonds? Its a reference to making "hits"
 
Kanye West is superb. A versatile, talented producer and rapper. 50, although very popular with the common people is neither. He is generic yet entertaining. He is good at what he does, but not great. He is churning out the same type of recycled music that has ruined hip hop / rap. Kanye is trying to braoden the spectrum, bring thinking and social concepts back into the rap game as well as entertain. Kanye is a better rapper, entertainer and performer. I hope he outsells 50 and I wish people like Common and Talib would outsell him too.
 
Heres an exclusive Kanye radio interview. Around the 7:00 point he goes crazy mad on all the media haters and what not.

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Also here's 2 snippets he did on the same radio interview. Its just with pictures and with the rest of the interview cut off.

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<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">
Okay, he's popular, commercialized, and maybe a bit fake, but that's everything Kanye West is as well. At least his self-aggrandizing lyrics focus on his struggles in life and not his over-inflated sense of intellectualism like is the case Kanye West.

I know I throw this word around a lot, but Kanye West is the definition of pseudointellectual. He's the reason why the word was created.</div>

I think VC has a point though.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">
(Kanye) suggested in Playboy that if a bible were written in the present day, he is famous and important enough to be included in it. "I throw up historical subjects in a way that makes kids want to learn about them", West claimed. "[I'm] definitely in the history books already."</div>

Source
 
<div class="quote_poster">Iggy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Voodoo man, Kanye ain't really jacking riffs from artists. It's called sampling when he uses that type of stuff, you take something from another song and incorperate it into a new sounding beat. All producers sample beats, guys like Just Blaze. He's not jacking the song, he's sampling it and Kanye's known for sampling off songs off the 70's and 80's and making them into classic beats. Through the Wire is a perfect example where he sampled the song Through the Fire by Chaka Khan and turned it into a classic beat.
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Exactly what I was going to say. Kanye's actually one of the best samplers from what I have heard of him, because some others completely **** up the classic when they make the beats (most of Puffy's beats). If you think Kanye is nothing more than a guy who steals riffs off other artists, you can say the exact same thing about pretty much every single hip-hop producer out there. It's a part of hiphop producing. ****, it doesn't even have to be the vocals that are sampled (i.e- the "squirrel sound" as everyone says...it's actually just a use of changing the pitching obviously), a lot of producers just sample the melody, and most of them don't even give credit (i.e- JD).

I haven't heard too much from Kanye. I like a couple of his songs but his voice annoys me too much to listen to him too seriously for too long. I don't find him to be in-depth as a rapper, but I think some songs of his (such as Gold Digger) are quite enjoyable. He's not a poet like 2Pac was, but he's good for a listen compared to ****** ass rappers like 50 Cent. And as far as rapping goes, 50 has never has impressed me with any of his raps, but the same goes for Kanye. It's kind of wierd to say 50 is the better rapper of the two when his rhyming is basic as ****, and his mic prescence is not even that strong. On top of that, the guy slurs like crazy (not his fault I know, but still).

His arrogance is unbelieveable though (in a bad way).
 
<div class="quote_poster">Karma Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Exactly what I was going to say. Kanye's actually one of the best samplers from what I have heard of him, because some others completely **** up the classic when they make the beats (most of Puffy's beats). If you think Kanye is nothing more than a guy who steals riffs off other artists, you can say the exact same thing about pretty much every single hip-hop producer out there. It's a part of hiphop producing. ****, it doesn't even have to be the vocals that are sampled (i.e- the "squirrel sound" as everyone says...it's actually just a use of changing the pitching obviously), a lot of producers just sample the melody, and most of them don't even give credit (i.e- JD).

I haven't heard too much from Kanye. I like a couple of his songs but his voice annoys me too much to listen to him too seriously for too long. I don't find him to be in-depth as a rapper, but I think some songs of his (such as Gold Digger) are quite enjoyable. He's not a poet like 2Pac was, but he's good for a listen compared to ****** ass rappers like 50 Cent. And as far as rapping goes, 50 has never has impressed me with any of his raps, but the same goes for Kanye. It's kind of wierd to say 50 is the better rapper of the two when his rhyming is basic as ****, and his mic prescence is not even that strong. On top of that, the guy slurs like crazy (not his fault I know, but still).

His arrogance is unbelieveable though (in a bad way).</div>
Kanye does go in depth with his raps, even if he does it in a poppy kinda way like he did with Gold Digger, the song still has actual message to it. You don't find him to go in depth, but you admitted you haven't heard much of him, if you want some in-depth raps why not look a little deeper? You can start by listening to The College Dropout.
 
Off-topic but can someone link me (PM) to the college dropout album? I can't fin d it.
 
<div class="quote_poster">The Super Villain Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Kanye does go in depth with his raps, even if he does it in a poppy kinda way like he did with Gold Digger, the song still has actual message to it. You don't find him to go in depth, but you admitted you haven't heard much of him, if you want some in-depth raps why not look a little deeper? You can start by listening to The College Dropout.</div>

Agreed. Most people only hear the Kanye songs that get on the radio and don't hear songs like Through the Wire, We Don't Care, Spaceship, Roses ect..

IMO, All Falls Down is a pretty deep Kanye song. But like AF said, look into College Dropout and you'll find alot. I really think his new album is going to prove all the haters wrong like he said in the interview.
 
I think Murs said it best: "To the commercial rapper, your fans are stupid."
 
I've always hated All Falls Down. It's a good song and all, but that girls voice got annoying as ****!
 
Kanye is gonna blow 50 out of the water IMO. A lot of people have grown to dislike 50 and are tired of his songs. So far after hearing stronger and bittersweet I think Graduation is going to be great.
 
What can Kanye name his next album after Graduation. Entering Grad School?

I think he'll run short on ideas.
 
^^ I'm pretty sure thats the last album school related. He'll probably start a new name.
 
<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">What can Kanye name his next album after Graduation. Entering Grad School?

I think he'll run short on ideas.</div>

Nah, he already has the name, "A Good Ass Job", which is what you'd get after graduation. Eh?
 
Kanye is so clever and people are fooled too easily. Like 50 Cent, Kanye also has a gimmick, except his gimmick isn't "I'm a gangsta who's been shot 9 times." Kanye's gimmick is "I'm so intelligent and I'm different to the other commercial rappers." It amazes me that people are still fooled by him.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Laker_fan Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Kanye is so clever and people are fooled too easily. Like 50 Cent, Kanye also has a gimmick, except his gimmick isn't "I'm a gangsta who's been shot 9 times." Kanye's gimmick is "I'm so intelligent and I'm different to the other commercial rappers." It amazes me that people are still fooled by him.</div>

because good hip hop is sooo confusing right?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What can Kanye name his next album after Graduation. Entering Grad School?

I think he'll run short on ideas</div>
It's obviously just a concept series of albums, how is he going to run out of ideas? the whole school thing is kinda corny though...especially because he was a dropout on his first album, so how could he graduate?


Oh well Ye still makes good hip hop at the end of the day.
 
I've never found any hip-hop music to be confusing. It kinda sucks.
 
Kanye > 50
I liked some of 50's songs, but I think in the PRESENT - I like Kanye more.

A few songs I like of Kanye a lot rite now would be:
1. You can't tell me nothing
2. Stronger
 
The only song right now from 50 is the one with JT and also that one song I Got Money. I don't remember the exact name. I don't really like Kanye that much anyways but I do like the song Stronger.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Pakman Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Kanye > 50
I liked some of 50's songs, but I think in the PRESENT - I like Kanye more.

A few songs I like of Kanye a lot rite now would be:
1. You can't tell me nothing
2. Stronger</div>

Main point is you probably just started following Kanye and go for mainstream shiz. Try listening to his other stuff, IMO lyrically those aren't even close to his best songs.
 
^ never let me down, gone, roses, us placers( witg lupe and pharell should be CRS as the group)we major with nas, and daydreaming with nas even though its nas' song, addiction.....and i love celebration lol its not a deep song but its awsome.
 
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