Politics Kavanaugh Confirmation Hearing, now with New allegations!

[barfo]

Are you saying he isn't welcome in the DNC?

Cause it sure felt like he wasn't welcome.

I don't think he ever wanted to be a member. The rules said he could run in the democratic primaries, so he did.

barfo

 

[donkiez]

Sanders was an independent and then realized the Democrats are crooks and Clinton bought the party so as soon as the election was over he went back to his senate seat as an independent.

FIFY

But as a consolation prize you get to argue about Kavenaugh and try to pin some lame decades old sexual harrasment rap on him. How's that working out?

 

[CupWizier]

FIFY

But as a consolation prize you get to argue about Kavenaugh and try to pin some lame decades old sexual harrasment rap on him. How's that working out?

How's the tin foil hat working for you? As for the Kavanaugh hearing on his sexual assault, that's not till Monday and why would you think I am involved in it? Do you support liars cause Trump is definitely one and now there are questions that Kavanaugh might be as well. Are you okay with that? Sounds to me like you are.

 

[CupWizier]

Wasserman Shultz and the rest of the establishment made sure of that.

Trump wasnt a republican either, but here we are.

Actually back in 1999 Trump was a registered republican.

 

[donkiez]

How's the tin foil hat working for you? As for the Kavanaugh hearing on his sexual assault, that's not till Monday and why would you think I am involved in it? Do you support liars cause Trump is definitely one and now there are questions that Kavanaugh might be as well. Are you okay with that? Sounds to me like you are.

Tin foil hat fits as well as your blinders.

If you think I support Trump or Kavenaugh then you don't pay attention. But the sexual harrasment rap is a long shot political play that won't go anywhere. It's all the demcrats have left because they play partisan politics just as much as the Republicans except they are worse at it.

 

[donkiez]

Actually back in 1999 Trump was a registered republican.

Trump has also been an independent and a Democrat. He has no party affiliation or soul.

 

[yankeesince59]

...looks like the Kavenaugh confirmation is no longer looking as certain as it once was.

 

[barfo]

But the sexual harrasment rap is a long shot political play that won't go anywhere.

I'm not sure you are correct about that. Even if Republicans do manage to jam him through, and I don't think that is guaranteed at this point, they may be damaged by the effort. They are already bleeding suburban white women, putting an alleged rapist on the supreme court isn't going to help.

barfo

 

[yankeesince59]

I'm not sure you are correct about that. Even if Republicans do manage to jam him through, and I don't think that is guaranteed at this point, they may be damaged by the effort. They are already bleeding suburban white women, putting an alleged rapist on the supreme court isn't going to help.

barfo

...yup, there are several GOP senators who have indicated they are not all in on Kavenaugh...he may be confirmed but it's going to be much closer that it would have been a week or two ago.

 

[barfo]

...yup, there are several GOP senators who have indicated they are not all in on Kavenaugh...he may be confirmed but it's going to be much closer that it would have been a week or two ago.

It should have been a no from everyone when it was proven that he lied to the senate in his previous confirmation hearings (about stolen documents and torture, no less!).

barfo

 

[yankeesince59]

It should have been a no from everyone when it was proven that he lied to the senate in his previous confirmation hearings (about stolen documents and torture, no less!).

barfo

...yeah, sadly, most of the GOP have put the party ahead of the country and IMO, the Republican party as we knew it, is dying a slow death.

 

[donkiez]

I'm not sure you are correct about that. Even if Republicans do manage to jam him through, and I don't think that is guaranteed at this point, they may be damaged by the effort. They are already bleeding suburban white women, putting an alleged rapist on the supreme court isn't going to help.

barfo

I hope your right but I can't think of 2 republicans who will vote against him. They have proven time and time again that they don't really care about sexual misconduct (unless it's a democrat) and they dont really care about womens issues in general, yet they still have all the power. Damaged goods or not, Kavenaugh will most likely be making policy for us for decades.

If white suburban women couldn't keep Trump out of office vs Clinton then I don't have much hope for that tactic in general.

 

[Propagandist]

This is why Kavanaugh shouldn't be confirmed:

I shouldn't have watched this. It's only 8am and now I'm all irritated.

 

[Propagandist]

ease up their son, it is a civil discussion that D and I are having, I only made a jest of her claimed heritage...oh, and by the way my Great Grand Mother was full Blood Black Feet..so lighten up, Francis

...and we slip into (unintentional) satire.

 

[yankeesince59]

Either something happened between the two (Kavanaugh and Ford) or it didn't, do you agree?

You are suggesting that something happened but it should be forgiven. Maybe, although it sounds substantially more violent than what you describe. Did you cover girls mouths so no one would hear them scream? Me neither.

However... Kavanaugh claims nothing happened. So if something happened, he's lying, which should be disqualifying for a supreme court position.

If nothing happened, then of course there is nothing to forgive and forget.

Since he's already been caught lying to congress, I think it's pretty likely he's lying again, but I can't know for sure.

His replacement will be just as conservative, so there really isn't any gain for Democrats other than preventing another sex offender from getting on the court.

barfo

...I think it's a chicken shit move by the libs...don't you find the timing of this whole thing a bit too convenient for the Dems?...I do.

...this shit storm has very little to do with right or wrong, but instead has more to do with making this accuser a pawn in a strictly political move by the Dems.

...but yeah, I really don't see how these accusations can be either proven or disproven but I do think they may put doubt in enough GOP members' minds to cause them to vote against Kavenaugh, which IMO, is a ploy by the dems with hopes of somehow postponing the actual confirmation of a new SC judge until after the midterms.

 

[julius]

...I think it's a chicken shit move by the libs...don't you find the timing of this whole thing a bit too convenient for the Dems?...I do.

...this shit storm has very little to do with right or wrong, but instead has more to do with making this accuser a pawn in a strictly political move by the Dems.

...but yeah, I really don't see how these accusations can be either proven or disproven but I do think they may put doubt in enough GOP members' minds to cause them to vote against Kavenaugh, which IMO, is a ploy by the dems with hopes of somehow postponing the actual confirmation of a new SC judge until after the midterms.

Well, the "libs" took a page from the republicans book, and are using it against them.

 

[yankeesince59]

Well, the "libs" took a page from the republicans book, and are using it against them.

...yes, and both parties are petty and counter=productive and dysfunctional and "chickenshit".

 

[Spud147]

...I think it's a chicken shit move by the libs...don't you find the timing of this whole thing a bit too convenient for the Dems?...I do.

...this shit storm has very little to do with right or wrong, but instead has more to do with making this accuser a pawn in a strictly political move by the Dems.

...but yeah, I really don't see how these accusations can be either proven or disproven but I do think they may put doubt in enough GOP members' minds to cause them to vote against Kavenaugh, which IMO, is a ploy by the dems with hopes of somehow postponing the actual confirmation of a new SC judge until after the midterms.

I agree the timing is not optimal but there are a couple additional things to consider, IMO.

-We went through this with another SCOTUS appointee and the woman did go public and testified to behavior that was obviously humiliating to her and was not believed. The accuser did not initially want to go through that.

-She was traumatized enough by the event that she discussed it in counseling 6 years ago and it can be corroborated independently by the therapist and her husband.

-She passed a polygraph test.

 

[CupWizier]

...yes, and both parties are petty and counter=productive and dysfunctional and "chickenshit".

Do you want a SCOTUS that thinks the President is above the law? Kavanaugh does. The republicans are getting their just dues for their refusal to even vote on Garland.

 

[yankeesince59]

Do you want a SCOTUS that thinks the President is above the law? Kavanaugh does. The republicans are getting their just dues for their refusal to even vote on Garland.

...did I say anything like that?...no.

 

[julius]

...yes, and both parties are petty and counter=productive and dysfunctional and "chickenshit".

Yep. it's quite frustrating. Although one side (R) is much better at it than the other. Democrats don't stand their ground at all. They see the snake and pick it up, no matter how many times the snake bites them.

 

[yankeesince59]

-She passed a polygraph test.

...lol, yeah, I read about that...I wonder what the odds that Kavenaugh would consent to taking a polygraph.

 

[yankeesince59]

Yep. it's quite frustrating. Although one side (R) is much better at it than the other. Democrats don't stand their ground at all. They see the snake and pick it up, no matter how many times the snake bites them.

...I believe we'll see many voters from both parties become "independents" instead.

 

[Further]

...I think it's a chicken shit move by the libs...don't you find the timing of this whole thing a bit too convenient for the Dems?...I do.

...this shit storm has very little to do with right or wrong, but instead has more to do with making this accuser a pawn in a strictly political move by the Dems.

...but yeah, I really don't see how these accusations can be either proven or disproven but I do think they may put doubt in enough GOP members' minds to cause them to vote against Kavenaugh, which IMO, is a ploy by the dems with hopes of somehow postponing the actual confirmation of a new SC judge until after the midterms.

I think you could be right. Just as the Republicans made sure Obama wasn’t able to appoint his SCJ. We aren’t living in a world with honorable politicians on either side for the most part.

But I do agree with @barfo that there were more than enough reasons why all the senators should have opposed the nomination from the already presented testimony. A SCJ should never lie under oath which has already been demonstrated.

 

[yankeesince59]

I think you could be right. Just as the Republicans made sure Obama wasn’t able to appoint his SCJ. We aren’t living in a world with honorable politicians on either side for the most part.

But I do agree with @barfo that there were more than enough reasons why all the senators should have opposed the nomination from the already presented testimony. A SCJ should never lie under oath which has already been demonstrated.

...Oh, I agree...like I've mentioned a few times, the Senate seems like they could care less for what's in the best interest for you and I...they're more concerned with getting re-elected at all cost and to vote along party lines, instead of what's best for the country as a whole.

 

[MARIS61]

Sanders was an independent and then realized his only chance for the presidency would be to run as a democrat and as soon as the election was over he went back to his senate seat as an independent.

Sanders is a Socialist who realizes his only chance to hold any office is to deceive the voters, so he calls himself an Independent.

A Socialist calling himself "Independent" = hysterical irony.

 

[CupWizier]

...did I say anything like that?...no.

That's why my post was a question to you.

 

[julius]

Sanders is a Socialist who realizes his only chance to hold any office is to deceive the voters, so he calls himself an Independent.

A Socialist calling himself "Independent" = hysterical irony.

A politician deceiving the voters??

The fuck you say...

 

[Further]

...Oh, I agree...like I've mentioned a few times, the Senate seems like they could care less for what's in the best interest for you and I...they're more concerned with getting re-elected at all cost and to vote along party lines, instead of what's best for the country as a whole.

This is a root of much of what is wrong in America. Politicians are incentivized to do what monied interests want irrespective of their constituents. One option is term limits but that means they may not have the expertise required to grasp complex situations. Limiting campaign resources is another option but at this point that will require a constitutional amendment. I don’t know how to fix the situation but I don’t trust most politicians, at least high level ones.

 

[barfo]

You are suppose to be innocent tell proven guilty?
Right?

Got to revisit this as I realize I let you lead me down the garden path here.

Yes, one is innocent until proven guilty. In a criminal trial.

This is not a criminal trial. This is a job interview, basically.

The burden is not on the job interviewer to show you aren't a good candidate.

The burden is on you to show you are the best available candidate.

Given this and all the other issues with this candidate - wouldn't it make sense for the employer to interview another candidate?

barfo