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So suppose we end up with the number 6 pick what player do you think Chauncey will want to fit his team?
 
calvin natt said:
Jabari Smith and Ivey would be an absolute homerun. But very very unlikely
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I watched Ivey a bit the other day, and he looks like a clone of Morant in every respect. However, how does he fit with Dame? And if he doesn't fit, then it makes sense to continue the tear-down and trade Dame, which should greatly increase the odds of landing a pick to get Ivey with.
 
handiman said:
I watched Ivey a bit the other day, and he looks like a clone of Morant in every respect. However, how does he fit with Dame?
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That's the kind of thinking that gets you to settle on Martell Webster because you didn't want to take CP3 with Telfair as your resident PG.

Ivey is built for the modern NBA. If he's available, you get him.
 
handiman said:
I watched Ivey a bit the other day, and he looks like a clone of Morant in every respect. However, how does he fit with Dame? And if he doesn't fit, then it makes sense to continue the tear-down and trade Dame, which should greatly increase the odds of landing a pick to get Ivey with.
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Really liking Ivey as well. I don't see the Morant comps outside of his hair. I see Donovan Mitchell. Ivey's shot is a bit wonky but it goes in.

I know we all want forwards/bigs, but if we're keeping the picks that could be high lotto, I want BPA.
 
TBpup said:
But only 3 games in front of OKC.....still doable, but they aren't going to win many games either.
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We play them two more times and we just lost to them in Portland last Friday.
 
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Ivey reminds me a bit of Colin Sexton when he was at Alabama too
 
I am not going to lie not familiar with the propects at this time but unless the Blazers can get into the Top 5 the move would be to package the pick with a young player we got from one of these trades or whatever to get a vet cause the draft is a gamble.
 
craigehlo said:
That's the kind of thinking that gets you to settle on Martell Webster because you didn't want to take CP3 with Telfair as your resident PG.

Ivey is built for the modern NBA. If he's available, you get him.
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Not really. The correct comparison would be drafting CP3 and trading Telfair.
 
what are your guys' thoughts on johnny davis?

i think i like him better than ivey
 
illmatic99 said:
what are your guys' thoughts on johnny davis?

i think i like him better than ivey
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I like him too. Has a little Devin Booker in his game. Decent size at the 2. Can score in a variety of ways. Not an athletic freak by any means though
 
MickZagger said:
I like him too. Has a little Devin Booker in his game. Decent size at the 2. Can score in a variety of ways. Not an athletic freak by any means though
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i think he can get to any spot or shot he wants, and looks like a great 1 foot leaper. i love his 8+ rebs/game from a SG spot.

really aggressive defender too.

think he and banchero are my early favorites in this draft
 
handiman said:
I watched Ivey a bit the other day, and he looks like a clone of Morant in every respect. However, how does he fit with Dame? And if he doesn't fit, then it makes sense to continue the tear-down and trade Dame, which should greatly increase the odds of landing a pick to get Ivey with.
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craigehlo said:
That's the kind of thinking that gets you to settle on Martell Webster because you didn't want to take CP3 with Telfair as your resident PG.

Ivey is built for the modern NBA. If he's available, you get him.
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IF.....Ivey were Ja 2.0, (which I don't think he quite is) do you take him, trade Dame for a massive package, and build around Ant, Nas, Hart, a couple of Lottery picks and a ton of cap space along with whatever else you can get from Dame?

If they are not able to use the cap space to get a legit #2 this summer, (which seems doubtful) does then Dame ask to be moved because now it takes ANOTHER year to put pieces around him?
 
TBpup said:
IF.....Ivey were Ja 2.0, (which I don't think he quite is) do you take him, trade Dame for a massive package, and build around Ant, Nas, Hart, a couple of Lottery picks and a ton of cap space along with whatever else you can get from Dame?

If they are not able to use the cap space to get a legit #2 this summer, (which seems doubtful) does then Dame ask to be moved because now it takes ANOTHER year to put pieces around him?
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Pretty much what I said last night in the "build a contender around Dame" thread. I mean I'm willing to wait to see what Sell-Low Joe is able to do with all his "tools" in the offseason, but I'm not expecting a miracle. Given the current status, it seems that getting a haul of picks and prospects for Dame would be the way to go.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Pretty much what I said last night in the "build a contender around Dame" thread. I mean I'm willing to wait to see what Sell-Low Joe is able to do with all his "tools" in the offseason, but I'm not expecting a miracle. Given the current status, it seems that getting a haul of picks and prospects for Dame would be the way to go.
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Agreed. Hope Joe can pull it off, but it seems unlikely. In that event, give Dame a chance to win one somewhere else. I was thrilled for Clyde when he had the opportunity to go to Houston and got a ring. Loved it when Kersey got one with the Spurs....was hoping Porter would as well.
 
Lengthy article on Chet Holmgren, but it gives you good insight on how dedicated he is and how he wants to be coached. This type of attitude is one of the main reasons my Draft buddy wanted Durant over Oden. He believed Durant LOVED the game, while he thought Oden played it more because he was big and it was expected.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...th-a-rematch-of-its-loss-to-kentucky-looming/

"In his last five games Holmgren's averaging 19.6 points, 11.6 rebounds and 3.4 blocks. His offensive rating at KenPom is a lofty 137.6 in that span (compared to an excellent 128.5 for the season). The efficiency as of late is borderline appalling. Holmgren's last five games: 21-of-27 2-point shooting (77.8%), 14-of-23 3-point shooting (60.9%). That's an effective field goal percentage of 84% — brilliant. His season-long 73.0 eFG% is No. 1 nationally, as is his 73.6 true shooting percentage. Holmgren leads the sport in win shares per 40 minutes (.320), box plus/minus (15.5) and defensive rating (78.1). He's second in 2-point percentage (75.2%) and 30th in 3-point accuracy."

holmgren-basketball.jpg
 
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He plays in a garbage conference and his numbers against the big schools are terrible. Also gives me Bol Bol vibes
 
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AldoTrapani said:
He plays in a garbage conference and his numbers against the big schools are terrible. Also gives me Bol Bol vibes
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True...but he is progressing, and that is what you are looking for in a 19 year old. Plus, he is progressing at a high level with ridiculous efficiency.
 
TBpup said:
True...but he is progressing, and that is what you are looking for in a 19 year old. Plus, he is progressing at a high level with ridiculous efficiency.
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It's an encouraging sign, but efficiency can also be misleading. Steve Johnson shot a ridiculous 75% (single season) in college, and that resulted in a decent but not particularly noteworthy NBA career. And I looked it up to see if he still has the NCAA record... It was broken in 2017 by some dude named Devontae Cacok (80%), who made it as far as a 2-way contract with the Spurs.
 
handiman said:
It's an encouraging sign, but efficiency can also be misleading. Steve Johnson shot a ridiculous 75% (single season) in college, and that resulted in a decent but not particularly noteworthy NBA career. And I looked it up to see if he still has the NCAA record... It was broken in 2017 by some dude named Devontae Cacok (80%), who made it as far as a 2-way contract with the Spurs.
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Of course.....but it is something to build on. I'd rather see that than if he was shooting 48 eFG% with no 3-pt shot. There is no one in this Lottery without some holes in their game. Trying to find the 'unique' attributes.
 
Who is the most billups type of player in this draft? (Not including any of the top 3 guys since I doubt we’ll be in a position to get any of them)

I nominate Johnny Davis. I know, another guard, but if we’re picking in the lottery we really should just take BPA, assuming we even keep the pick(s)
 
TBpup said:
Lengthy article on Chet Holmgren, but it gives you good insight on how dedicated he is and how he wants to be coached. This type of attitude is one of the main reasons my Draft buddy wanted Durant over Oden. He believed Durant LOVED the game, while he thought Oden played it more because he was big and it was expected.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-b...th-a-rematch-of-its-loss-to-kentucky-looming/

"In his last five games Holmgren's averaging 19.6 points, 11.6 rebounds and 3.4 blocks. His offensive rating at KenPom is a lofty 137.6 in that span (compared to an excellent 128.5 for the season). The efficiency as of late is borderline appalling. Holmgren's last five games: 21-of-27 2-point shooting (77.8%), 14-of-23 3-point shooting (60.9%). That's an effective field goal percentage of 84% — brilliant. His season-long 73.0 eFG% is No. 1 nationally, as is his 73.6 true shooting percentage. Holmgren leads the sport in win shares per 40 minutes (.320), box plus/minus (15.5) and defensive rating (78.1). He's second in 2-point percentage (75.2%) and 30th in 3-point accuracy."

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AldoTrapani said:
He plays in a garbage conference and his numbers against the big schools are terrible. Also gives me Bol Bol vibes
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i watched some highlights of both Chet and Banchero. Chets didn't have any clips against duke if i recall, but Banchero took him to school in his clips.
 
Scalma said:
Who is the most billups type of player in this draft? (Not including any of the top 3 guys since I doubt we’ll be in a position to get any of them)

I nominate Johnny Davis. I know, another guard, but if we’re picking in the lottery we really should just take BPA, assuming we even keep the pick(s)
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I think it’s Griffin. I also think the lower of the picks is going to Det for Grant(seems like we have a hard on for him for some reason). If I had to guess we wont rise any higher than 6 in the lottery based on record. My hope is Griffin is there. For next season I see this as best case…

Dame
Ant/Hart/Keon
Nas/Griffin/Hughes
Grant/Winslow/Wat
Nurk/GB3

I guess it’s more balanced but still not a contender.
 
Orion Bailey said:
i watched some highlights of both Chet and Banchero. Chets didn't have any clips against duke if i recall, but Banchero took him to school in his clips.
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Chet is playing much better now.
Albeit it’s against 0 NBA level competition.
Hence my position has changed from “lol, no Chet”
To “let’s see what happens in the tourney”
 
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