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Make the pick for the Future.....or trade it for 'now'?

  • One last attempt

  • Build for the future....one player won't make enough of a difference

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wizenheimer said:
that's kind of how I remember it, but I could have bad RAM
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They weren't complete shit as numb nuts said. They won close to 60 games the previous year with much of the same roster. The team fell apart without their best player, and their role players suffered. That happens when a team relies on their star so much. Robinson came back in like December for 6 games after hurting his back in preseason and then he broke his foot and was out the rest of the season.
 
wizenheimer said:
maybe the worst thing about Portland's pick situation is that there's a real possibility the Blazers give up a 15th or 16th pick for 37 games of Larry Nance. That's almost as bad as Portland giving up Will Barton and a 19th pick for 25 games of Arron Afflalo. Thanks Neil
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The Aaron afflalo trade was fine. It made sense until wes went down.

Stop equating a trade that made sense to anything that doesn't.
 
Jalen Duren and Dyson Daniels are my two guys right now assuming one pick 7-10 and one late lotto.

Dyson looked like he belonged in the rising stars game last night. Would give us another 6'6" two-way wing that can do a little of everything.

 
JDC said:
Jalen Duren and Dyson Daniels are my two guys right now assuming one pick 7-10 and one late lotto.

Dyson looked like he belonged in the rising stars game last night. Would give us another 6'6" two-way wing that can do a little of everything.

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I like Duren in that range too. But, I prefer Mathurin as our 6'6 wing.
 
Julian Strawther is a wing that I like immensely. Good defender, great in transition, can shoot the 3.

Seems like a Billups type.
 
JDC said:
Jalen Duren and Dyson Daniels are my two guys right now assuming one pick 7-10 and one late lotto.

Dyson looked like he belonged in the rising stars game last night. Would give us another 6'6" two-way wing that can do a little of everything.

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Looked good. He's a Rick Barry disciple too.
 
Strenuus said:
The Aaron afflalo trade was fine. It made sense until wes went down.

Stop equating a trade that made sense to anything that doesn't.
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let's see now

* in one case, a GM traded a backup guard and a 1st round pick for a backup guard
* in the other case, the same GM traded a backup forward and a 1st round pick for a backup forward

* in one case, the player played less than 40 games for Portland
* in the other case, the player played less than 40 games for Portland

I guess I could gauge the difference by an arbitrary and subjective comparison of 'intentions'. That's the only way I could arrive at any kind of conclusion that one trade made sense and the other didn't

or, I can simply gauge the trades by results. That's easy and direct. That's what I'll do. Both trades sucked
 
SlyPokerCat said:
I like Duren in that range too. But, I prefer Mathurin as our 6'6 wing.
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Yeah you could argue we need more of an off the ball skillset and Mathurin might offer the best version of that of the 2/3 types. But like Agbaji, never been impressed by the ancillary skills
 
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wizenheimer said:
let's see now

* in one case, a GM traded a backup guard and a 1st round pick for a backup guard
* in the other case, the same GM traded a backup forward and a 1st round pick for a backup forward

* in one case, the player played less than 40 games for Portland
* in the other case, the player played less than 40 games for Portland

I guess I could gauge the difference by an arbitrary and subjective comparison of 'intentions'. That's the only way I could arrive at any kind of conclusion that one trade made sense and the other didn't

or, I can simply gauge the trades by results. That's easy and direct. That's what I'll do. Both trades sucked
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You get one result based off a factor of someone else getting injured.

It's alright. We can agree to disagree.
 
Hoopguru said:
Looked good. He's a Rick Barry disciple too.
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You sure he didn't just happen to be his coach for this game? I can't find any other connection between the two.

Dyson has a lot of Roy in his mannerisms (his layups are a near carbon copy) so there is definitely some aesthetic bias going on But I like his feel and defense for his age.
 
Scalma said:
they had no choice, they had multiple major injuries. Robinson missed essentially the whole season. That’s not tanking that’s just being shit. Portland isn’t even close to being as bad as they were.

anyways that goes back to my main point. The only time tanking makes sense is when you’re a bottom 3 type team and there’s a generational talent in the draft. Neither is the case now.
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If you're already bottom 3 team you don't need to tank though...
 
JDC said:
You sure he didn't just happen to be his coach for this game? I can't find any other connection between the two.

Dyson has a lot of Roy in his mannerisms (his layups are a near carbon copy) so there is definitely some aesthetic bias going on But I like his feel and defense for his age.
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I was being sarcastic, about Rick giving him pointers.
I should have used green font. Sorry
 
SlyPokerCat said:
Popovich was GM and he fired Hill. Maybe Pop wanted to tank. Maybe he thought he could do a better job coaching. The players were stunned and thought he was doing a great job.

For a guy that had a 73% winning percentage the last two seasons. Surely it only is because he was a shitty coach.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/spurs/article/Hill-s-firing-a-shock-to-Spurs-system-6604128.php
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That’s how I remember it as well. Pop was a Larry Brown disciple worked his way into the front office as GM. Then canned Hill and made himself coach.

I guess that’s one way of getting a head coaching gig
 
i don't see any scenario where he drops out of the top 4. he's got such a refined offensive game already

 
illmatic99 said:
i don't see any scenario where he drops out of the top 4. he's got such a refined offensive game already

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You think he goes above one of Chet, Paolo, Ivey and Jabari? Interesting.

Johnny is tough for me. He's does a lot pretty well but i don't see the standout skill or physical tool. Has a hard time generating easy looks at the college level. I don't think his game scales down super well either with the shaky shooting and passing and just ok physical tools defensively.
 
illmatic99 said:
i don't see any scenario where he drops out of the top 4. he's got such a refined offensive game already

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Tremendous scorer with a lot of body control. Seems like CJ a bit in that way in style and that he also doesn't seem very explosive. Okay from the FT line and didn't see any '3's so had to look up his stats. (33%) Also, only a 44% FG shooter. Feels like he could come into the NBA and have a fairly immediate impact, but I wonder what his ceiling is?
 
TBpup said:
Tremendous scorer with a lot of body control. Seems like CJ a bit in that way in style and that he also doesn't seem very explosive. Okay from the FT line and didn't see any '3's so had to look up his stats. (33%) Also, only a 44% FG shooter. Feels like he could come into the NBA and have a fairly immediate impact, but I wonder what his ceiling is?
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I'm really impressed at his rebounding.tells me a lot about the kinda player he is.
 
JDC said:
You think he goes above one of Chet, Paolo, Ivey and Jabari? Interesting.

Johnny is tough for me. He's does a lot pretty well but i don't see the standout skill or physical tool. Has a hard time generating easy looks at the college level. I don't think his game scales down super well either with the shaky shooting and passing and just ok physical tools defensively.
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this is what I was thinking about Steph and his shot selection in college. I think the spacing is gonna be great for him in the nba.
 
illmatic99 said:
this is what I was thinking about Steph and his shot selection in college. I think the spacing is gonna be great for him in the nba.
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Steph's sophomore year, he shot 43% from '3' compared to the 33% that Davis is putting up. That would seem like a fairly significant difference. I like how Davis creates space for himself, but with his percentage and efficiency, seems much more like CJ.....which would be a good career.
 
TBpup said:
Steph's sophomore year, he shot 43% from '3' compared to the 33% that Davis is putting up. That would seem like a fairly significant difference. I like how Davis creates space for himself, but with his percentage and efficiency, seems much more like CJ.....which would be a good career.
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ya davis isn't efficient from 3.
 
Duren is also young for his class — 16 months younger than Chet.

Turned 18 three months ago.
 
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