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Doing a bit more digging on Davis' 3pt shot, this looks a lot like a midseason slump . He was closer to 40% earlier in the season, and he's still slightly below 80% from the FT so I don't see this as that big of an issue.

JDC said:
He's got an impressive combination of strength and body control for sure. He also sets up his drives well.
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You prolly watch these dudes a lot more than I ever do in college. You see what I'm seeing in possible BRoy vibes?
 
TBpup said:
Steph's sophomore year, he shot 43% from '3' compared to the 33% that Davis is putting up. That would seem like a fairly significant difference. I like how Davis creates space for himself, but with his percentage and efficiency, seems much more like CJ.....which would be a good career.
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CJ is an efficient scorer and a very good three point shooter?
 
January 26, 2022: (Top 100) -- French center Ismael Kamagate (No. 32) has quickly emerged as the top international big man prospect in this 2022 class, opening eyes with his Jarrett Allen-like poster dunks and flashes of skill. After seeing Kamagate practice and conducting a film session with him our last time abroad in October, we were able to watch the 6-11, 21-year-old play a France Pro A (first division) game against the top team in the league, Levallois, which also competes in the EuroCup.

Watching Kamagate go through an individual workout pre-game, it's easy to see the long-term intrigue given his huge hands, massive reach, ability to handle the ball and natural touch, splashing step-back mid-range jumpers with ease. He looks like he's dunking on a Nerf hoop in warmups, which he also translated to live action with a poster dunk in the second half. Kamagate has dunked on several players over several victims this season, and is one of the draft's best finishers, converting 72.4% of his shots at the rim. He's a jet in the open court when he decides to run hard, and in addition to the rim runs and hard rolls, he's also comfortable using touch shots or creating off the bounce in short roll situations.

As has been the case at times throughout his career, however, Kamagate struggled with early foul trouble against Levallois. He's still very much learning how to defend pick-and-roll effectively and isn't the forceful rim protector that his reach and bounce suggest. Too often lost off the ball and not the most physical defensive rebounder, Kamagate is a couple years away from being able to consistently impact a game defensively at the NBA level, even though he's blocking 2.4 shots per 40 minutes and is relatively quick off the floor for his size.

With that said, the fact that Kamagate shows more flashes of skill than the majority of run-and-jump style bigs is what makes him the most intriguing international big man in this class. Despite often playing without a true point guard and alongside more traditional bigs, Kamagate has made a handful of eye-opening passes this season, firing overhead skips to the corner out of the short roll, hitting cutters with one-handed passes, or locating weakside shooters off a live dribble out of the post. He's starting to take more mid-range jumpers also, and, although flat, his stroke has potential (70% from the free-throw line). A true late-bloomer who wasn't even considered for youth national teams not too long ago, Kamagate's growth rate is staggering, and his capacity to learn is noteworthy, despite being older than several of the bigs ranked behind him.

Kamagate might not be a carbon copy of Allen or Clint Capela like his go-go-gadget dunks suggest, but there's a clear archetype for some of the things he does well (see Daniel Gafford, Richaun Holmes) and because he can handle, pass and maybe shoot down the line, it's hard to get a perfect gauge on what exactly his upside might be. I'd expect Kamagate to start picking up more steam among scouting circles, getting real looks toward the end of the first round come June. -- Mike Schmitz
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ok, i see the morant comps now. still think mitchell is a more apt comp though.



crazy explosiveness
 
Kendall brown seems to have the profile for Billups/Cronin: upside, great athlete, defensive potential- can guard different positions, moves the ball, great in transition. Seems all his weaknesses can be worked on.

 
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I see Johnny Davis floor as a Josh hart guy with Brandon Roy as his peak. This guy scream a winner to me. He play the game within the flow of his team. He finishes through contact really well. Got some post moves and fadeaway. He’s a solid defender especially off ball. He seem like a really good fit for Billups. I know we don’t want to draft another SG lol. But hopefully we have a second lottery pick to get brown/Eason/duren
 
illmatic99 said:
Doing a bit more digging on Davis' 3pt shot, this looks a lot like a midseason slump . He was closer to 40% earlier in the season, and he's still slightly below 80% from the FT so I don't see this as that big of an issue.


You prolly watch these dudes a lot more than I ever do in college. You see what I'm seeing in possible BRoy vibes?
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A little.

Davis should be the better defensive player. Much better lateral athlete. Better rebounder. Can't say i remember Brandon as a sophomore but i don't think Johnny has the same level handle/shiftiness/smoothness roy had. Roy also has a slight size advantage and a clearly better athlete off two feet.

Both are guys that get to their spots and aren't necessarily quick (I think Johnny a bit quicker to be fair). But I think Roy's handle, high release, ability to stop-start and explode off two feet allowed him to get his shots off easier against NBA size and athleticism. I feel Davis's margins are going to be quite a bit smaller in those in between areas of the game.
 
Ivey will be/is the best player in this draft imo. He might not be the best fit for the current roster but if we are lucky enough to be in position to draft him you have to. I think if that happens it would be extremely hard not to expect a Dame trade given his age, contract, and position. Dame is my favorite Blazer all time so I’m not saying trade Dame but if you can have an early 20s combo of Ivey/Ant and all that comes in a Dame package you most likely have to do it.
 
MickZagger said:
Keegan Murray of Iowa reminds me a lot of John Collins
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I don't like Collins, but I really like Murray. He looks like an NBA three to me, although you could pair him in the frontcourt with Nas. He's my pick as of right now because he can do just about everything. Seems likely he'll rise in the draft, though.
 
Has anyone compared Chet Holmgren to Andrei Kirilenko? I guess the temptation is Shawn Bradley/Kevin McHale (and if you're feeling unkind, Manute Bol), but his guard skills separate him from those guys. I imagine people are pretty terrified to draft someone that looks like he could snap like a twig, but Kirilenko did all right...
 
Fez Forthright said:
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@Mediocre Man

Cut from the Kirilenko mold.
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@Rastapopoulos
 
Rastapopoulos said:
I don't like Collins, but I really like Murray. He looks like an NBA three to me, although you could pair him in the frontcourt with Nas. He's my pick as of right now because he can do just about everything. Seems likely he'll rise in the draft, though.
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Assuming Smith, Holmgren, Ivey, Banchero, and Sharpe are all pretty consensus top ...7(?) picks, a few of Davis, Duren, Murray, Mathurin, Griffin, Brown and Eason will be available with whatever pick we have (if we have one). Possibly even more options if Jovic and Washington go top-10 as expected. There are only so many players who can rise up the draft boards, and if they do, others have to fall. I'm becoming more and more confident that if the Blazers get a pick or two, a very good, immediately useful player will be available.
 
JDC said:
A little.

Davis should be the better defensive player. Much better lateral athlete. Better rebounder. Can't say i remember Brandon as a sophomore but i don't think Johnny has the same level handle/shiftiness/smoothness roy had. Roy also has a slight size advantage and a clearly better athlete off two feet.

Both are guys that get to their spots and aren't necessarily quick (I think Johnny a bit quicker to be fair). But I think Roy's handle, high release, ability to stop-start and explode off two feet allowed him to get his shots off easier against NBA size and athleticism. I feel Davis's margins are going to be quite a bit smaller in those in between areas of the game.
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im looking at Davis comfortably able to go right or left, with a really nice first step and deceleration allowing him to get immediately into any midrange shot he wants.

And also the sweet lefty finishes around the rim are reminiscent of BRoy.

i think he's gonna be an efficient 20ppg scorer in the league at the very least. just the increased spacing, illegal defense/handchecking rules will help.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Assuming Smith, Holmgren, Ivey, Banchero, and Sharpe are all pretty consensus top ...7(?) picks, a few of Davis, Duren, Murray, Mathurin, Griffin, Brown and Eason will be available with whatever pick we have (if we have one). Possibly even more options if Jovic and Washington go top-10 as expected. There are only so many players who can rise up the draft boards, and if they do, others have to fall. I'm becoming more and more confident that if the Blazers get a pick or two, a very good, immediately useful player will be available.
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there will also inevitably be a tournament bump too
 
Fez Forthright said:


Major sleeper prospect — a 6’9” defensive menace.

Currently leads NCAA basketball in:

Defensive Rating: 68.3
Win Shares Per40: .38
Box Plus/Minus: 16.9

Seattle native.
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His stock has skyrocketed from a projected second rounder to the mid-first. This year’s Herb Jones.
 
I don't get the Griffin hype. His shooting stance sorta reminds people of Jimmy Butler, but I just don't see anything else that warrants that comp. Most of his appeal comes from people projecting his per minute stats but I don't think his production will scale with PT/opportunity. And he's had substantial knee injuries while in HS.

nah
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Assuming Smith, Holmgren, Ivey, Banchero, and Sharpe are all pretty consensus top ...7(?) picks, a few of Davis, Duren, Murray, Mathurin, Griffin, Brown and Eason will be available with whatever pick we have (if we have one). Possibly even more options if Jovic and Washington go top-10 as expected. There are only so many players who can rise up the draft boards, and if they do, others have to fall. I'm becoming more and more confident that if the Blazers get a pick or two, a very good, immediately useful player will be available.
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Isn't this what always happens with every draft? People start the year by saying "it's a weak/top-heavy draft" then as the college season goes on a players have good seasons, everybody gets excited and thinks everybody's good...
 
illmatic99 said:
I don't get the Griffin hype. His shooting stance sorta reminds people of Jimmy Butler, but I just don't see anything else that warrants that comp. Most of his appeal comes from people projecting his per minute stats but I don't think his production will scale with PT/opportunity. And he's had substantial knee injuries while in HS.

nah
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28mpg in conference play and his numbers have held up. The age, size and shooting versatility combo is very appealing, but they're definitely some considerable athleticism and defensive concerns with him.

And the injuries are tough to get past. He doesn't seem to be nearly the same vertical athlete he was in HS.

Still in the same tier as Davis and Duren for me though.
 
illmatic99 said:
I don't get the Griffin hype. His shooting stance sorta reminds people of Jimmy Butler, but I just don't see anything else that warrants that comp. Most of his appeal comes from people projecting his per minute stats but I don't think his production will scale with PT/opportunity. And he's had substantial knee injuries while in HS.

nah
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Yeah Griffin doesn’t have the height I’d want in my PF either, so he can’t be considered a PF. And I don’t think I’d take a SF in the first 10. I’d be interested if he dropped into the late lotto-mid 1st, but Eason is a better fit for the team. Nassir is also an injury prone wing that is very Butler-esque.

Injuries just add more to the “ehh” points. Pass as well.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Has anyone compared Chet Holmgren to Andrei Kirilenko? I guess the temptation is Shawn Bradley/Kevin McHale (and if you're feeling unkind, Manute Bol), but his guard skills separate him from those guys. I imagine people are pretty terrified to draft someone that looks like he could snap like a twig, but Kirilenko did all right...
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Dragan Bender
 
What y’all think of Wendell Moore JR? I think he’s gonna be one of the better players to come out of this draft. His defense has always been good. This year his 3 point shooting has improved tremendously. He’s averaging 4.6 assist and 5.6 rebound. At 6 foot 6 with a reported 7 foot wingspan with solid athletic ability he got all the making of a solid two way Swiss Army knife dude. I am thinking he can be what Winslow was always meant to be with a jump shot
 
Givony has us taking Keegan Murray and TyTy Washington in the first and Yannick Nzosa and Matthew Mayer in the second in his latest mock.

Duren is projected to go sixth. Maybe we can move up a couple spots to take him, assuming he doesn’t fall. We don’t need four rookies anyway. I’m also not convinced we’re gonna just trade one of the picks for Grant, especially if Billups keeps developing his young talent the way he has so far.
 
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