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Chet’s about 2 inches taller than Durant. If you look back at Durant’s freshman year at Texas they’re similarly skinny.

People are hesitant on Holmgren because he’s white. We’re he black with the same skill set he’s be a slam dunk pick by everyone.

7 footer with guard skills, crazy shot blocking abilities and feel for the game. Without a doubt he’ll add some weight as he’s only 19.
KD was 6'9, 215 at Texas. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kevin-durant-1.html

That's quite a bit different from 7', 190. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/chet-holmgren-1.html

I wish that comp would just die.

it physically hurts me to watch him run. I'm scared for his joints. Skilled as hell at his size, but there is absolutely no way I'm investing a #1 pick for a guy who would have to be hidden and coddled against certain matchups, while worrying about his health every time he takes a fall.
 
KD was 6'9, 215 at Texas. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kevin-durant-1.html

That's quite a bit different from 7', 190. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/chet-holmgren-1.html

I wish that comp would just die.

it physically hurts me to watch him run. I'm scared for his joints. Skilled as hell at his size, but there is absolutely no way I'm investing a #1 pick for a guy who would have to be hidden and coddled against certain matchups, while worrying about his health every time he takes a fall.

Durant wasn’t 215 at Texas. Not sure why the program made up that number. He was the only player ever to not bench 185lbs once.

I’m not the one comparing the two. I’m just saying that Durant was similarly skinny at the same age.
 
KD was 6'9, 215 at Texas. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kevin-durant-1.html

That's quite a bit different from 7', 190. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/chet-holmgren-1.html

I wish that comp would just die.

it physically hurts me to watch him run. I'm scared for his joints. Skilled as hell at his size, but there is absolutely no way I'm investing a #1 pick for a guy who would have to be hidden and coddled against certain matchups, while worrying about his health every time he takes a fall.

This is where I'm at too. Hard to see Chet playing as a wing in the pros, skillset be damned, and possibly even harder to see him playing down low based on his size. Beyond simply being skinny, I don't see a large enough frame to get add the type of weight he'll need.

I also wonder if there's anything to read into the deals that Joe made at the deadline, in terms of how he views risk... We took 85 cents on the dollar in arguably every deal we made at the deadline, but, at least if you believe the rhetoric, did so with a specific plan in mind, a specific type of player we wanted back, etc. That kind of philosophy doesn't strike me as a "swing for the fences on a high bust potential" type drafter...
 
Chet’s about 2 inches taller than Durant. If you look back at Durant’s freshman year at Texas they’re similarly skinny.

People are hesitant on Holmgren because he’s white. We’re he black with the same skill set he’s be a slam dunk pick by everyone.

7 footer with guard skills, crazy shot blocking abilities and feel for the game. Without a doubt he’ll add some weight as he’s only 19.
John Butler doesn't seem to be getting a ton of buzz despite being a super-skinny sweet-shooting 7-footer.
 
KD was 6'9, 215 at Texas. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/kevin-durant-1.html

That's quite a bit different from 7', 190. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/chet-holmgren-1.html

I wish that comp would just die.

it physically hurts me to watch him run. I'm scared for his joints. Skilled as hell at his size, but there is absolutely no way I'm investing a #1 pick for a guy who would have to be hidden and coddled against certain matchups, while worrying about his health every time he takes a fall.
1) We'll see how many time he can bench 185.
2) Why are you worried about being bad against certain matchups when you're a rookie. OKC hid Durant at the 2, when they thought he was a 4/3.
Dumb, but authentic, question: Can Chet play the 3? the 2?
 
1) We'll see how many time he can bench 185.
2) Why are you worried about being bad against certain matchups when you're a rookie. OKC hid Durant at the 2, when they thought he was a 4/3.
Dumb, but authentic, question: Can Chet play the 3? the 2?
IMO, unless he bulks up, if he's going to succeed at the NBA level, it's going to have to be at the 3 or as a stretch 4.
 
1) We'll see how many time he can bench 185.
2) Why are you worried about being bad against certain matchups when you're a rookie. OKC hid Durant at the 2, when they thought he was a 4/3.
Dumb, but authentic, question: Can Chet play the 3? the 2?
im worried that he might not last 5 years in the nba given how frail he appears. And there is no way he plays anything but 5 at the nba level given his footspeed. And he's an elite shotblocker so you want him near the rim.

The obvious comp for Holmgren is Evan Mobley.

Mobley at USC: 16.4 pts, 8.7 rebs, 2.4 asts, 2.9 blk, 29.1 PER, 13.7 BPM
Holmgren at Gonzaga: 14.7 pts, 9.8 rebs, 1.9 asts, 3.5 blk, 32.3 PER, 15.9 BPM

Mobley has 20lbs on Chet and appeared quite a bit more mobile laterally.
 
IMO, unless he bulks up, if he's going to succeed at the NBA level, it's going to have to be at the 3 or as a stretch 4.
He'll bulk up, for sure. It'll also be interesting to get his measurements at the draft combine. If I were him, I'd go full "biggest loser" and drink a ton of water right before the weigh in.
 
Chet’s about 2 inches taller than Durant. If you look back at Durant’s freshman year at Texas they’re similarly skinny.

People are hesitant on Holmgren because he’s white. We’re he black with the same skill set he’s be a slam dunk pick by everyone.

7 footer with guard skills, crazy shot blocking abilities and feel for the game. Without a doubt he’ll add some weight as he’s only 19.

In other words, a moderately exagerated version of what people said about Bol-Bol.
 
Didn't realize ESPN made their draft stuff free. Thought they put Givony/Schmitz behind the paywall after buying Draftexpress.

This is an insane level of info/scouting.

https://www.espn.com/nba/draft/bestavailable

(They have my two guys Banchero/Davis at 3/9. If we end up with both, I'm gonna be absolutely elated. I'll then reluctantly open up a trade machine to figure out Dame trades the next week.)
 
i want big men to either have high skill or good hands/feet (ideally both). he seems to have good hands and is super athletic. He's apparently a decent passer but I've yet to see it. Unlike other top 10 dudes, he seems super inconsistent.


I need to watch more of him tbh.
 
“He'll never be as dynamic a scorer or shot creator as Banchero, who looked like a 6-10, 250-pound Carmelo Anthony from my vantage point in T-Mobile Arena. But Holmgren is the type of prospect who can take five shots and completely dominate a game
 
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I don't think Chet is going to be Durant by any means, so even though both were seen as too skinny, I don't know why they're brought up in the same sentence so much. Chet can play the 4 on defense in the modern game. A weak side shot blocker who can get out on the perimeter and both stay in front of opponents and cause them problems but would need help on post ups. On offense Chet can easily play a Draymond type of role with his set of skills, he would just also be a knock down shooter.

It's hard to choose between Chet and Paolo for who is the second best big in the draft but Jabari is pretty obviously the best in my opinion. None of them look like sure fire hall of famers and they all do have some bust potential with Chet's being the biggest. Chet has a much lower floor than Paolo and he just might not have logically that much higher of a ceiling even though he does have a more intriguing/unique skill set. So if I was drafting and had a chance at the three bigs at the top of this draft I would take Jabari first, Paolo second and Chet third but if I did end up with Chet third I wouldn't be disappointed, I'd be excited for the potential upside and a little scared at the bust possibility but the upside excitement would by far outweigh the bust fears for me.
 
oh damn, there's an athletic article about it. I didn't realize he worked out with Beckner as well.

https://theathletic.com/3144399/202...w-kansas-ochai-agbaji-became-an-all-american/

Beckner was so impressed that he wanted to give Agbaji a sneak peek of his master class. So he kept dangling out the possibility of Agbaji joining him for a trip to Portland for a training session with Lillard.

Lillard is particular with who works out with him. In three years working for Beckner, Beamer says that Beckner had never invited any of the pre-draft players to work out with Lillard.

“If you’re going to work with him, you’ve got to be about it,” Beckner says. “I’m like, Dame, you got to give this kid a chance. I’m telling you, he’s working really, really hard. He’s like Phil, he’s not messing up my workout. He’s not getting in the way.”

When it was finally time to go in mid-June, after the Trail Blazers had been eliminated from the playoffs, Lillard gave Beckner permission. Agbaji got the official invite.

“He was so excited,” Olofu says, “It was like Christmas Day.”




One of Lillard’s favorite quotes is “pit bulls and poodles can’t be in the same kennel,” and he wasn’t about to let a poodle in his workout when Agbaji arrived in Portland. So on Day 1, Lillard worked, and Agbaji watched.

Two weeks earlier Agbaji had watched Lillard drop 55 points in the playoffs against the Nuggets, and the thought crossed his mind, What else could Phil possibly say to Dame to make him better?

“It was weird watching them work out,” Agbaji says. “It was not like how he talks to me. They wouldn’t say anything. Phil would be like, ‘OK, get your arm up.’ Dame wouldn’t say anything. He’d just do it.”

Beckner worked on Lillard’s shooting posture. Agbaji sat wide-eyed, thinking, He’s shooting it great. How could he get better?

“It just put a lot of things in perspective as far as never being complacent,” Agbaji says.

After Lillard’s workout, the two traded places. Lillard watched from the sideline. Agbaji was nervous, feeling Lillard’s eyes on him, and tried to be perfect. About 20 minutes in, as Agbaji worked on a dribble move, Lillard couldn’t simply watch anymore. Agbaji was too stiff with the ball. Lillard walked over, put his arm around Agbaji and told him: “Breathe. Move. You want to glide here, dance with your feet.”

Agbaji worked alongside Lillard for the remainder of the trip. Eventually, Lillard invited him over to his house to watch a Philadelphia-Atlanta playoff game before going to watch a high school basketball game. Agbaji peppered him with questions about what it takes to be successful in the NBA, especially as a rookie.

Lillard told him to learn the terms they use in the NBA, memorize scouting reports and be a professional. One of the key components to that, he told Agbaji, was a lesson Beckner had taught him: thank everyone.

“It goes a long way,” Agbaji says. “It means something.”

After every workout now, he thanks everyone in the gym. After the interview for this story, Agbaji thanked the author. And a couple days after Agbaji hit the shot to send the Texas Tech game to double overtime and scored a career-high 37 points against the Red Raiders, Lillard saw ESPN’s Sean Farnham interview Agbaji on TV. He took a picture of his TV and sent him a text, telling Agbaji that he’s getting better and he’s proud of him.

Agbaji, wisely, responded with a thank you.

From one pit bull to another.

Okay that was a great read.

Lillard is one of a kind man. One of a freaking kind.
 
I think Agbaji has star potential.

One prospect I don’t understand the hype on is Max Christie, who is slated to go in the lottery. Every time I’ve watched him play he hasn’t stood out at all. He’s looked average.
 
Oscar Thshiiebwe might be playing himself into the lottery. Billups would love to have a hard nose defender and rebounder like that. Elite skill in rebounding
 
for it starts with the body and altheticism. sure there are unicorns like jokic, but the odds are stacked against weak frail players. play the odds.
 
for it starts with the body and altheticism. sure there are unicorns like jokic, but the odds are stacked against weak frail players. play the odds.

Odds are stacked against 4 year players from Weber state too. Sports is all about defying the odds
 
Smith looks good, but I don’t think he’s a sure thing to be a star. He has the most superstar potential for sure. Has the size and skills to be dynamic, but a lot of his hype is based on upside.
 
Smith looks good, but I don’t think he’s a sure thing to be a star. He has the most superstar potential for sure. Has the size and skills to be dynamic, but a lot of his hype is based on upside.
His elite jumper, elite fluid athleticism which is also explosive and his feel for the game on both ends but especially on defense make him the number one prospect in the draft. I think both Paolo and Jabari are pretty safe picks as far as getting a big time PF who will likely be an all star and both have high upside. So I think the hype with Jabari is both his really high floor and high ceiling. I don't think there are any sure fire superstars in this draft.
 
Auburn is playing Tennessee right now.
Just turned this game on to watch the last 5 minutes. I have no idea what Auburn is doing on offense, but it makes Stotts-ball look like the freaking Warriors.
 
Just turned this game on to watch the last 5 minutes. I have no idea what Auburn is doing on offense, but it makes Stotts-ball look like the freaking Warriors.
Their guards aren't setting anything up and are fouling on every defensive play. Tennessee is a really hard team to play against at home... they pressure the whole game and we're seeing the results of that right now. Auburn is playing more mentally fatigued than anything.
 
Did not expect to see a Euro-step out of Walker Kessler.
 
His elite jumper, elite fluid athleticism which is also explosive and his feel for the game on both ends but especially on defense make him the number one prospect in the draft. I think both Paolo and Jabari are pretty safe picks as far as getting a big time PF who will likely be an all star and both have high upside. So I think the hype with Jabari is both his really high floor and high ceiling. I don't think there are any sure fire superstars in this draft.

I don’t think his jumper is quite elite yet. His percentages aren’t too great.

I’m watching Banchero right now. The more I watch him the more I like him.

I’m betting Chauncey and Joe are watching a lot of college ball today.
 
Just turned this game on to watch the last 5 minutes. I have no idea what Auburn is doing on offense, but it makes Stotts-ball look like the freaking Warriors.

Yeah, Auburn even though they have Smith and Kessler struggle a lot offensively. Great defensive team though
 
Yeah, Auburn even though they have Smith and Kessler struggle a lot offensively. Great defensive team though
I'll be surprised if they win more than 2 games in the tourney. Guard play is everything, and they just don't have it.
 
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