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Make the pick for the Future.....or trade it for 'now'?

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illmatic99 said:
i can't put my finger on it, but he seems like he has no pop. very ho hum.
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I look at Keegan Murray kind of like would you be fine drafting a player roughly equivalent to the level of one of the Morris twins in the top 10.

I think Murray will be a decent rotation player on a decent team. I think he'll contribute fairly early in his career and I think he'll be consistent but I have this feeling that he's close to his ceiling and he'll never be much above average at his position.
 
Hoopguru said:
I could see Bert Kolde wanting to run the draft himself...lol
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I don't think the Seahawks are an indicator of the way we'll go but if they are the team will hold on to Cronin for cheap. They'll make Cronin trade Dame for young talent and less returning salary. They'll draft with both picks and build around Ant, whoever it is we get for Dame, Nas and the picks. They'll let Nurk walk. Total youth rebuild with no idea who will pop but a really good chance of not starting that youth rebuild at the bottom of the league but more towards the middle like we have been and hopefully growing into a contender from there.

Again I don't see the Seahawks as an indicator of what will happen here so I doubt this is the way things will play out but this certainly has to be a possibility.
 
handiman said:
Shawn Kemp? He attended junior college but didn't play. But, he was only the 17th pick, which reflects the uncertainty.
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As time went on, though, that stigma of uncertainty dissipated. High school players started to get drafted higher. Top college guys only were there a year. There was a pretty good book on the top HS guys playing against the top freshman college prospects in all the tournaments and high-profile games that were scheduled. Pre-draft workouts became more scientific. You knew more about these guys.

Kobe was the 13th overall pic right out of high school. If Kobe Bryant's time-displaced twin was coming into the NBA today and had no college experience, he'd absolutely be picked top five. I have no doubt of that.
 
blazerkor said:
That's the way I could see us losing Dame, if the Vulcans are just open to whatever GM is the best at selling them on the GM candidates vision for this roster then anything is possible. If the Vulcans want a GM to come in with an idea of how to best win a championship with Dame in the most cost effective way, then I don't see us keeping the picks unless the top one nets a guy the new GM sees as putting us over the top next season, whoever that prospect might be. The Vulcans could already be so detached that they're already going to give Joe the job... in which case we know he's said he wants to build around Dame but who the fuck knows with this guy maybe another GM offers him some magic beans for Dame and he goes for it.
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The advantage of them keeping Joe regardless is he's a Vulcan through and through. Maybe even a yes man?
Personally, Id go after Shane Battier, Grant Hill or Brent Barry. My reasoning is they probably have good instincts regarding player assessment. But, the main reason is that they would realize what Chauncey and Dame want to accomplish and be a voice to the mothership not a voice from the mothership. Just a wild ass thought...
 
does anybody know the names of the people in Portland's scouting department?
 
TBpup said:
Brutal game for Davis. On the other hand, Duren had the highest game score of any player yesterday...and Murray was 3rd.

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If we’re picking outside the top 4 and we pass on Duren ima lose it
 
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TBpup said:
Brutal game for Davis. On the other hand, Duren had the highest game score of any player yesterday...and Murray was 3rd.

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I do like Murray. Seems to be very versatile on both ends of the floor.
Just hard to know how young players will do at the NBA level?
 
Duren has improved quite a bit throughout the year too.

He still could be better handling those 2 on 1 situations defensively in pnr or in standard help situations, but that's normal for a big his age. Will make a couple wild passes a game but I like the instincts. Sees the passes, just needs to iron out the decision making.

But man, it is incredible how physically dominant he is for a guy that just turned 18.
 
JDC said:
Duren has improved quite a bit throughout the year too.

He still could be better handling those 2 on 1 situations defensively in pnr or in standard help situations, but that's normal for a big his age. Will make a couple wild passes a game but I like the instincts. Sees the passes, just needs to iron out the decision making.

But man, it is incredible how physically dominant he is for a guy that just turned 18.
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I have been impressed with Duren development over the course of this season. His post moves is getting better, he’s knocking down mid range shot. Defensively he is solid. He’s somewhere between Ayton and Bam. After a year he can replace Nurk
 
Haven't watched at all, can duren fit alongside nurk, or is he strictly a 5?
 
TBpup said:
Brutal game for Davis. On the other hand, Duren had the highest game score of any player yesterday...and Murray was 3rd.

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If we keep both picks and we don't win the lottery we should take this guy. If we do win the lottery and he's still available with the Pels Pick we should take this guy. I'm all about stacking our frontcourt as it's thin AF and we are STOCKED 1-3. Amongst all those wings we have, we must have a keeper or two. We just need a PF desperately and Jalen Duren looks great. I know he can't shoot, but that's a skill that can be developed. His coordination, size, and athleticism are something that cannot be taught. He has an NBA body along with NBA-level speed and coordination. This guy isn't even a project as his defense and rebounding will impact the game immediately. I've liked Duren all along but he's moving up in my internal big board which btw is focused ONLY on guys 6'8" or taller.
 
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One thing to note with Keegan is he's pretty old for a sophomore. Will be almost 22 on draft night.

The shooting looks really good though. Tools don't stand out, but he pops off the floor off two feet. Quick and effortless even on a second jump. Can create a little off the bounce. Not the quickest but knows how use his body to create space. Has a mid post game. Can shoot off screens.

Definitely could see him being pretty efficient offensive player on decent volume. I like that he does most his work off the ball too. Knows how to make himself available.
 
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illmatic99 said:
btw, didn't realize it earlier but Dame worked out at the same gym in Tigard with Ochai Agbaji. His trainer just posted a pic with two of them today on IG. I really think this kid is going to shoot up the rankings into lotto territory once workouts start.

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PtldPlatypus said:
Not necessarily. Dame is tight with Kansas senior Ochai Agbaji who is projected by some to go late lottery. Would not shock me at all to see him taken with the later of 2 picks (if we get two), and for him to be a contributor from day 1.
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Dude should be a top 3 pick

If he falls to us we must draft him
 
Wish more of these clips showed defense. We’ve have good offense I want to see a guy who gets after it on D and can guard multiple positions. Some one who has a motor that never stops gets rebounds, d’s up and can get you the hustle plays you need to win playoff series. Obviously Little has some of that when he stays healthy but would love that from power forward position
 
1 Eye Jack said:
Wish more of these clips showed defense. We’ve have good offense I want to see a guy who gets after it on D and can guard multiple positions. Some one who has a motor that never stops gets rebounds, d’s up and can get you the hustle plays you need to win playoff series. Obviously Little has some of that when he stays healthy but would love that from power forward position
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We had good offense from the guard position. But we still need better offense from the PF spot IMO
 
Pinwheel1 said:
We had good offense from the guard position. But we still need better offense from the PF spot IMO
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Definitely not saying I don’t want some offense ability but don’t want everything to be based on someone who scores. Would love a guy who supplied more defense and ability to hit some shots.
 
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