Kenny Vance: Devin Harris rumor (deal on the table)???

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If any deal is going toget made, it needs to be soon.

That way, if it fails, the fans can blame Cho....but if it succeeds, they can claim he gets no credit because he just took the job.
 
oldmangrouch said:
If any deal is going toget made, it needs to be soon.

That way, if it fails, the fans can blame Cho....but if it succeeds, they can claim he gets no credit because he just took the job.
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Do we blame Cho, though?

Or did his computer just "malfunction"?

Does PA blame him for using Apple instead of Microsoft?

Questions that will need answers....
 
Mediocre Man said:
The answer
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Either the question was "where can I find ESPN Trade Machine" or you don't know how to link to a trade you've thought up. If it's the latter, here's how:
1. After you've completed your trade, click on "save trade"
2. You will be presented with a URL: cut and paste that (don't copy the link, literally cut and paste). That's the link to your trade.
 
I am not sure how much this helps us, but IMO one of the reason the Blazers got bounced last season, was because Miller couldn't hit a long distance shot. If Miller could hit an outside shot on a regular clip, then Grant Hill would not have been able to sag off him and make him essentially useless. Just like opposing PG have done to us when Lamarcus gets swapped on to them. They just take him outside, wait for him to back off and hit the easy J. Miller can't do that because he really doesn't have range outside of 15'. Harris does. But what Harris does not have, is Millers savvy and basketball IQ.
 
Tortimer said:
I agree but read about a rumor at the draft we were offered trading LMA for Harris and the #3 pick which would be Favors. I think that was the rumor. I can't remember if there was more to it.
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Well a large part of his performance wasn't necessarily his fault...Terrance Williams was a HUGE ballhog, the guy averaged 19 shots\game if I recall....and when he sat out the last game, Favors had a very good performance.....

Summer league doesn't really favor big guys for the most part anyway.....

I don't think NJ is trading him, but if they were, I would not be opposed to dealing LA for Favors & Harris at all....
 
hasoos said:
I am not sure how much this helps us, but IMO one of the reason the Blazers got bounced last season, was because Miller couldn't hit a long distance shot. If Miller could hit an outside shot on a regular clip, then Grant Hill would not have been able to sag off him and make him essentially useless. Just like opposing PG have done to us when Lamarcus gets swapped on to them. They just take him outside, wait for him to back off and hit the easy J. Miller can't do that because he really doesn't have range outside of 15'. Harris does. But what Harris does not have, is Millers savvy and basketball IQ.
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Thing is, if Roy's healthy, they wouldn't have been able to put Hill on Miller to begin with, so that whole argument is moot. It wasn't his lack of outside shot that killed us. It wa snot having a full lineup, to be able to punish the opposing PG.

As for the midrange game, they both take too many shots from the 16-23 foot range. Last year, Miller was pretty off, but before that, had shot around 42% the last 3 years. Harris has never been over 40.
 
I actually think Bayless is a more likely piece to be moved than Williams and it's not because Eliot is more NBA ready ... in fact it's because he isn't NBA ready that makes me think this. Bayless wants (needs?) playing time, he's not going to get it behind Matthews and Roy, and if a move was made to bring in an all-star caliber lead guard and he was still on the roster, he'd be looking down the barrell of 12 minutes per game max and that is not going to make for a happy Jerryd Bayless. Williams on the other hand may not be thrilled with collecting DNP-CDs, but as a rookie on a team with Western Conference Finals aspirations (and beyond) it's a lot easier to sell the guy on learning and being groomed when he's 3 or 4 years away from his first extension or non rookie contract.
 
noknobs said:
Maybe- I, like so many, did not watch New Jersey last year. And playing on a team like New Jersey must have been such a demoralizing, soul-sucking humiliation that it must have had some effect on his game. But Miller is efficient too, for a PG, and we don't have to make assumptions and magically dismiss a part of his game from the equation to realize that.

Your point about him being a better perimeter defender which would help Oden is the best reason I've read as to why he might be an upgrade. However if he's hurt, and judging from his last four years in the league this is a likely scenario, then his defensive ability won't really help much. Our backup PG position is so weak right now the thought of our starter going down is pretty unpleasant.
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He may have been sandbagging it his last dysfunctional year in Dallas and then again in NJN. Hard to blame the guy especially in NJN. Not that sandbagging is a good sign, just a possibility.
 
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RR7 said:
Thing is, if Roy's healthy, they wouldn't have been able to put Hill on Miller to begin with, so that whole argument is moot. It wasn't his lack of outside shot that killed us. It wa snot having a full lineup, to be able to punish the opposing PG.

As for the midrange game, they both take too many shots from the 16-23 foot range. Last year, Miller was pretty off, but before that, had shot around 42% the last 3 years. Harris has never been over 40.
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Where you you drawing your stats from, because that is not the NBA I watch. Miller has never been a good outside shooter. Devin Harris isn't a great 3 point shooter but inside the arc he is quite accurate, having several years where he shot upwards of 48-49% from the floor. His game is fine if it is inside the arc. His shooting percentage as a whole is calculated using both 3 point and 2 point baskets. Some of those years he only shot 25% from the 3 point line, but still ended up 48%'ish from the floor for the year. That means his shooting percentage inside the arc is off the charts, in order to make up for his shooting percentage outside the arc.
 
hasoos said:
Where you you drawing your stats from, because that is not the NBA I watch. Miller has never been a good outside shooter. Devin Harris isn't a great 3 point shooter but inside the arc he is quite accurate, having several years where he shot upwards of 48-49% from the floor. His game is fine if it is inside the arc. His shooting percentage as a whole is calculated using both 3 point and 2 point baskets. Some of those years he only shot 25% from the 3 point line, but still ended up 48%'ish from the floor for the year. That means his shooting percentage inside the arc is off the charts, in order to make up for his shooting percentage outside the arc.
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Hi sshooting percentage is so high, similar to Andre's being decent, because more than half their shots end up coming right around the basket. You shoot 60% there, it's going to make your shooting percentage look good. just looking at that and assuming he is a good shooter inside the arc is false, though. I'm not saying this to be totally negative about Harris. I like him and would welcome him here. but he's not a good shooter. His midrange game isn't good. It's getting to the rim that makes his stats look good.
 
Hello i am new to the forum but i think some of you know who i am from other forums and such and i just discovered this board and decided to register.

Now to the Topic -- I am not sure how i feel about a possible Devin Harris trade as he seems to always be nicked up and he is a baby step down in terms of being a pure PG then Andre. I looked at there roster and nothing jumps out at me besides Lopez and they are not trading him so not sure i would want to see anyone else come back in the deal. I do believe there is something on the burner and it will be Cho job to decide to serve it up or dump it out. The next couple weeks are going to be very interesting and i hope something semi big to big will take place.
 
Harris is definitely younger, more athletic and better shooter than Miller, but I'm not convinced that he'd be the upgrade needed to propel us into the next echelon of NBA teams. However, we could end up with the D. Harris of a few years ago that lit it up like no other. As long as he and Roy can co-exist, I'm sure it would be fine... as is the case in most trade scenarios for a point guard.
 
RR7 said:
Hi sshooting percentage is so high, similar to Andre's being decent, because more than half their shots end up coming right around the basket. You shoot 60% there, it's going to make your shooting percentage look good. just looking at that and assuming he is a good shooter inside the arc is false, though. I'm not saying this to be totally negative about Harris. I like him and would welcome him here. but he's not a good shooter. His midrange game isn't good. It's getting to the rim that makes his stats look good.
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Let's see... 82games.com says that 34% of his shots are from the inside. 884 shots total means about 301 inside shots.

He also shot 217 three pointers, which means that he took 366 non-three point jumpers, right?

His eFG% (and therefore his FG%) on inside shots was 51.2, meaning he made 154. We also know that he made 60 three pointers and 296 non-three pointers.

So... he made 144 non-three point jumpers of 366. 39.3%.

Not too great, but that doesn't seem too terrible to me.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
Let's see... 82games.com says that 34% of his shots are from the inside. 884 shots total means about 301 inside shots.

He also shot 217 three pointers, which means that he took 366 non-three point jumpers, right?

His eFG% (and therefore his FG%) on inside shots was 51.2, meaning he made 154. We also know that he made 60 three pointers and 296 non-three pointers.

So... he made 144 non-three point jumpers of 366. 39.3%.

Not too great, but that doesn't seem too terrible to me.

Ed O.
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Like I said, under 40%.
 
RR7 said:
Hi sshooting percentage is so high, similar to Andre's being decent, because more than half their shots end up coming right around the basket. You shoot 60% there, it's going to make your shooting percentage look good. just looking at that and assuming he is a good shooter inside the arc is false, though. I'm not saying this to be totally negative about Harris. I like him and would welcome him here. but he's not a good shooter. His midrange game isn't good. It's getting to the rim that makes his stats look good.
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Luckily for all of us 82games.com breaks down a players shooting percentage based somewhat on distance. The rank them as Jump shot, Close, Dunk or Tip.

According to that site, Harris last year had an effective field goal percentage of %39 from the Jump range and %51 from close.
This is opposed to Millers %33 and %60 in the same respective categories.

A %6 percent difference is pretty substantial, though neither could be said to be lighting it up.
 
LittleAlex said:
Luckily for all of us 82games.com breaks down a players shooting percentage based somewhat on distance. The rank them as Jump shot, Close, Dunk or Tip.

According to that site, Harris last year had an effective field goal percentage of %39 from the Jump range and %51 from close.
This is opposed to Millers %33 and %60 in the same respective categories.

A %6 percent difference is pretty substantial, though neither could be said to be lighting it up.
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Last year, on shots from 16-23 feet, Miller shot 34%. he shot 41, 42 and 43 the three years prior. So one can look at it that his mid range game is declining. Or, last season was just an off year, in an offense not designed for the PG to get those shots? Regardless.

34, 41, 42, 43 the last four years, Harris was at 39, 39, 37, 39. As I had said, never above 40. 5% is a difference, for sure. But it doesn't make either of them a good mid-range shooter, and outside of last season, Miller has been consistently better from there.
 
Can this magical 82games.com site tell if Devin Harris would be completely abused on defense by Grant Hill. That's the "stat" I'm looking to upgrade at PG.
 
If we could get the Devin Harris from a few years ago, that would be great, but I'd be hesitant to give up a whole lot since there's no guarantee he'd return to that form.

But if he does get back to that form, it'd be a heist. I went to a Suns vs Nets game a few years ago in Phoenix where Harris dropped like 41 in a Nets win and was just absolutely abusing Steve Nash. Draining threes, blowing past guys for layups, pulling up from midrange and knocking it down. The Suns had no answer. He dominated the game and it was awesome to watch.

I know that's just one game, but it showed the kind of player he can be when healthy and not on one of the worst teams in NBA history record-wise. If we can THAT Devin Harris I'd rather have him than Tony Parker.
 
PHXBlazer1 said:
If we could get the Devin Harris from a few years ago, that would be great, but I'd be hesitant to give up a whole lot since there's no guarantee he'd return to that form.

But if he does get back to that form, it'd be a heist. I went to a Suns vs Nets game a few years ago in Phoenix where Harris dropped like 41 in a Nets win and was just absolutely abusing Steve Nash. Draining threes, blowing past guys for layups, pulling up from midrange and knocking it down. The Suns had no answer. He dominated the game and it was awesome to watch.

I know that's just one game, but it showed the kind of player he can be when healthy and not on one of the worst teams in NBA history record-wise. If we can THAT Devin Harris I'd rather have him than Tony Parker.
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I think a lot of guys get better when they are not asked to do as much. I think going from #1 option to 3rd would help him and his game a lot.
 
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