Keon Johnson

[TBpup]

Great story.

Doesn't mean Keon today has the value of a first round pick.

Exactly. This should be really simple. If Keon is worth a 1st round pick, let's immediately trade him to the team who will give us that pick.

Cue the endless Jeopardy music....

 

[SharpesTriumph]

How and when do you place value on a first round pick? Just curious the criteria you use?

A player that a team is willing to both trade away or trade for a first round pick is.... worth a first round pick.

Sometimes a player is worth a fraction of this (ie Keon) or multiples of this (Dame).

FRP also can be worth more or less depending on team, year, restrictions, etc.

They are basically the currency of NBA trade value.

 

[Hoopguru]

I think Keon will be a very solid defensive player.
He's cat quick with good instinct's at his age. Watch this highlight.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

I think Keon will be a very solid defensive player.
He's cat quick with good instinct's at his age. Watch this highlight.

We could have had a good defensive guard if we would have kept GP2. He would have been free and not at the expense of two starters.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I Hope Keon can be good so we can trade him for cap space.

 

[Hoopguru]

We could have had a good defensive guard if we would have kept GP2. He would have been free and not at the expense of two starters.

I wanted to keep him. There are certain players like him that are made for D, his pop was one of the best defensive college players I ever watched as I was and still am a college roundball junkie, even at 71.

 

[Hoopguru]

I Hope Keon can be good so we can trade him for cap space.

you know what repeater tax taste like? Jody does, and I guess i cant blame her for wanting to avoid it with the team and high paid players not making the difference.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

you know what repeater tax taste like? Jody does, and I guess i cant blame her for wanting to avoid it with the team and high paid players not making the difference.

That's great and all. Still didn't have to trade two starters for what we did to get there.

 

[wizenheimer]

Have you had epic farts? I've heard post colonoscopy farts are next level

I'm afraid to fart right now....fear is the fart killer

 

[BBert]

AND Winslow as well, want to see if he can stay healthy and get back close to level of his Miami good play, he's still 25, turns 26 in late March

In a one-game sample size, Winslow looked better than Roco in every way except 3 point shooting. Need to see more.

 

[BBert]

Hey man, he was compared to Latrell Sprewell predraft!

He choked PJ Carlesimo?

I love this kid!!

 

[blazerfan11]

In a one-game sample size, Winslow looked better than Roco in every way except 3 point shooting. Need to see more.

From what I've seen, to generalize, he's a faster version of Evan Turner. He's a good defender, ball handler and passer (he even played point guard for Miami for a while), but his jump shooting and free throw shooting are really bad.
If he is allowed to / suggested to play to his strengths on offense, he could be effective. I'm worried that either he will be encouraged to shoot whenever , or will do that on his own and we'll dread watching him shoot.
Of course I'm rooting for him to do well. He definitely will help on defense.

 

[blazerfan11]

I think Keon will be a very solid defensive player.
He's cat quick with good instinct's at his age. Watch this highlight.

I liked the commentary (with 16:45 left in the first half) "Keon Johnson might be the only player who's broken out into a full-fledged sweat, because he's playing harder." the Nassir Little of guards?

 

[BBert]

From what I've seen, to generalize, he's a faster version of Evan Turner. He's a good defender, ball handler and passer (he even played point guard for Miami for a while), but his jump shooting and free throw shooting are really bad.
If he is allowed to / suggested to play to his strengths on offense, he could be effective. I'm worried that either he will be encouraged to shoot whenever , or will do that on his own and we'll dread watching him shoot.
Of course I'm rooting for him to do well. He definitely will help on defense.

Yeah, I didn't like how eagerly he lofted up Clank Threes. The rest was a burst of fresh air though.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

you know what repeater tax taste like? Jody does, and I guess i cant blame her for wanting to avoid it with the team and high paid players not making the difference.

Teams avoid it all the time. But they get assets back while saving money. You get that right? You can save money AND get assets that help your future. Crazy I know.

 

[OneSport3]

He has proper body mechanics and good form on his jumper. Will only improve with more reps in the gym.

 

[Ripcity4life77]

I am not convinced KJ will ever suit up for the Blazers cause I think they see him as an asset more then a project that might pay off atm. I am not saying the Blazers do not see something in him but this team needs to get better ASAP ( well next year ) and my guess is even best case scenario KJ is still 2 years away NOT counting his rookie year.

 

[Scalma]

Givony

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Some MLB franchises build their success upon developing their defenses with talented players that play up the middle. Reading that KJ was a strong SS makes me feel better about his potential, TBH.

 

[blazerfan11]

Here is an interesting backstory on Justise Winslow. How he got to where he is now.

 

[BBert]

A short stop eh. Might help explain Keon's terrific and quick defensive footwork.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Here is an interesting backstory on Justise Winslow. How he got to where he is now.

Inciteful video.
Seems like Billups is having the Blazers run more, which is probably why Winslow looked so good against LAL. If we continue to push the pace, Winslow is a solid rotation player, imho.

 

[Blazinaway]

Inciteful video.
Seems like Billups is having the Blazers run more, which is probably why Winslow looked so good against LAL. If we continue to push the pace, Winslow is a solid rotation player, imho.

interesting, from what I have seen of Winslow so far just with his D/passing I can see hiin being a rotation off the bench guy. The two consecutive yrs in Miam when he played 66 and 68 (2017/2018) games he shot 37.5 and 38% from 3 and avg 26-27 mpg. If he can shoot 35% from 3 with his other skills IMO he is already better than the Roco we had and a solid rotation guy. What amazed me is apparently he had a "hip replacement" - I have never heard of a player still playing in the NBA with a "replacemet", surgeries yes but not a replacement!

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Here is an interesting backstory on Justise Winslow. How he got to where he is now.

I don't know if that was very enlightening? He didn't fit with Miami's slow paced offense; then they tried to put him into roles that he wasn't talented enough to handle? If the guy is right, then yes, maybe he would thrive best if his role is simplified. Play defense, rebound, get out on the break, and shoot open threes? I was surprised watching him so far that he seems to make some bad decisions despite how long he has been in the league; so yes, maybe limit his need to make decisions?

 

[TBpup]

Inciteful video.
Seems like Billups is having the Blazers run more, which is probably why Winslow looked so good against LAL. If we continue to push the pace, Winslow is a solid rotation player, imho.

Love it, especially with the younger players.

...but that doesn't fit with Dame.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I posted this in another thread; probably more appropriate here: about Keon Johnson..... Since he is a short guard, it seems he is not an asset that we want to keep long term. So I would want to see the team do whatever they can this season to develop him as an asset that other teams would find attractive. Work with him a lot and when he looks ready, play him a lot. Try to put him into situations where he can succeed.

 

[Blazinaway]

I posted this in another thread; probably more appropriate here: about Keon Johnson..... Since he is a short guard, it seems he is not an asset that we want to keep long term. So I would want to see the team do whatever they can this season to develop him as an asset that other teams would find attractive. Work with him a lot and when he looks ready, play him a lot. Try to put him into situations where he can succeed.

short guard? here are his combine stats and a few comments"

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• Listed height: 6-5
• Actual height: 6-4.75 (1)
• Height w/o shoes: 6-3.5 (2)
• Weight: 184.8 (3)
• Body fat %: 4.40 (4)
• Hands: 9.0 inches (5)
• Standing Reach: 8-1 (6)
• Wingspan: 6-7.25

A few notes:

1. His height checks in just fine — the average NBA player is 6-6 an 50 percent of NBA SGs measure between 6-4 and 6-5. He’s a full inch shorter than Moses Moody and the same height as James Bouknight.
2. Not real sure why they measure players without their shoes. Freeze tag?
3. 184.8 makes Keon the third-lightest SG at the combine.
4. Tied for sixth-smallest body-fat percentage of the entire draft class.
5. Hand size is middle-of-the-road for this class. He can palm a ball — not sure if this matters outside of that.
6. So far, his weight is the only real outlier, and while it seems a bit light comparatively, he’s just 19 and will surely fill out. And if he doesn’t, it’s no biggie. Y’all remember the jokes about Kevin Durant not being able to bench 135 pounds? Nah, you probably don’t because it didn’t matter. So I’m not worried there.

But his 8-1 standing reach has some practical application concerns. Johnson’s standing reach is the fifth-shortest in the draft and lowest figure of any SG (next lowest after him is Springer at 8-3 — a two-inch difference).

His wingspan, 6-7.25, also falls on the narrow end of the spectrum for this draft class, though not as starkly as his reach. There’s only three non-PG players who have shorter wingspans, but SG/SF AJ Lawson’s is a half-inch shorter and several guys come in somewhere between 6-7.25 and 6-8.25, meaning Keon isn’t off the norm by that much.

It’s important to consider the real-life implications of these measurements: grabbing rebounds, getting a hand up contesting a shot, blocking shots, getting a fingertip on the ball in passing lanes, so on and so forth. I’ll say it’s encouraging that Keon was one of the leaders for Tennessee in pass deflections last season and showed prowess grabbing steals as it indicates he’s maybe not so limited by his limited reach. His strikingly-quick first step and 48-inch max vertical definitely help there, too, but I’m sure there’s concern about if those traits will translate to the League where he won’t have such an inherent athletic advantage.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I was surprised watching him so far that he seems to make some bad decisions despite how long he has been in the league; so yes, maybe limit his need to make decisions?

Are you talking about the 2 games so far with the Blazers? Playing with new teammates without barely any practice? That seems to happen every time for the first few games after a mid-season trade.

 

[PCmor7]

Wingspan and length are advantages but they aren't the end-all, be-all that some people want to make them out to be.

First, Johnson not only has a phenomenal top-percental vertical, more importantly he gets off the floor quickly. Like GB3, he has bounce.

Second, THE biggest attribute someone needs to be an above-average defender is to be able to stay attached to whomever you are guarding. Lateral quickness, will, scouting and knowledge of your opponent and all eight other people on the floor and quick reflexes are the components to that, many of which can't be measured.

Getting through screens is part of that, too, but, one doesn't necessarily need to be powerful to be good at that. First, there are the ability to make one's self small. There's wiry strength. And then there's the ability to keep the guy you're guarding from being able to use the screen properly by staying in front of them, denying their angles and having the lateral agility to recover if they take the straight drive as an alternative move.

Also, being able to stay attached makes it tough for the player you're defending to get the ball unless they move well out of their sweet spot and it typically will run an extra couple of seconds off the shot clock if that player's team is bound and determined to get them the ball.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Love it, especially with the younger players.

...but that doesn't fit with Dame.

Dame's having to change - we've already seen it. But yes, Dame has preferred to play at his own pace in the past.