Kevin Love - Possible?

[Boob-No-More]

You keep confusing better player with better value. C.J. is a better player. Kemba is a better value.

BNM

You really think cj offers 12 mil more in value per year than kemba though...?

Your original hyperbole mentioned nothing about value. You keep trying to change to the argument.

You're original statement was that every other team has at least one player better than C.J.

Charlotte does not (nor does SAC, ATL, BRK, or several others).

You want facts: www.basketball-reference.com. Knock yourself out.

BNM

 

[LayneStaley]

this is not for you to dictate bro.......use all the facts you like but opinions have value and I welcome them

I was being sarcastic, I’m not here to have the nba reference guide dictated to me.

 

[riverman]

You're original statement was that every other team has at least one player better than C.J.

I don't agree with him about this but so what....he has the right to express his opinion about CJ...the simple response would be simply...I disagree

 

[dviss1]

You really think cj offers 12 mil more in value per year than kemba though...?

Probably not.

 

[dviss1]

c'mon bro...everybody's posts are wrought with opinions....if people are in a pub talking hoops, they don't bring internet stats or articles supporting their opinions...nor should they need to prove these opinions.

I should've worded that differently. Using opinions as facts is the problem.

 

[Boob-No-More]

No there was zero confusion there, he asked me if I thought kemba was better and I answered his post with they are probably a wash. I then asked him if cj offered 12 mil more of value.

It's not a wash. Statistically, C.J. is a better player. Your original claim was that every team in the league has at least one player better than C.J. Change the question and of course the answer changes.

So, of course, Kemba is a better value. He signed his extension before he had a breakout season and before the summer of 2016 and all the ridiculous contracts handed out that summer. It's unfortunate for Kemba that he was both a late bloomer and was born too soon to be a free agent at that exact right moment in history, but of all the contracts handed out during the summer of 2016, C.J. is one of the few players who has played well enough to justify his contract.

BNM

 

[LayneStaley]

Your original hyperbole mentioned nothing about value. You keep trying to change to the argument.

You're original statement was that every other team has at least one player better than C.J.

Charlotte does not (nor does SAC, ATL, BRK, or several others).

You want facts: www.basketball-reference.com. Knock yourself out.

BNM

That post has nothing to do with my 27 teams having better players, he asked me if I thought Kenmba was better and I answered him. The follow up question regarding his opinion on if cj was worth more than 12 mil more than kemba was a separate thought...ok?

 

[Boob-No-More]

I don't agree with him about this but so what....he has the right to express his opinion about CJ...the simple response would be simply...I disagree

Since when is this forum about simple responses? It would be a pretty boring place if all the replies were I agree and I disagree.

BNM

 

[Boob-No-More]

That post has nothing to do with my 27 teams having better players, he asked me if I thought Kenmba was better and I answered him. The follow up question regarding his opinion on if cj was worth more than 12 mil more than kemba was a separate thought...ok?

I have yet to see anyone disagree that Kemba is a better value. I have yet to see a shred of evidence that he's a better player.

BNM

 

[riverman]

Since when is this forum about simple responses? It would be a pretty boring place if all the replies were I agree and I disagree.

BNM

It's pretty boring beating a dead horse about a difference of opinion...the guy just got here and he's already labeled a Tunchi...I don't think he's getting a fair shake ...that's all...there are several posters, you included who are excellent stat guys and provide detailed comparisons...not everyone is that guy nor needs to be...what I see is contentiousness more than discourse in this case

 

[LayneStaley]

Your original hyperbole mentioned nothing about value. You keep trying to change to the argument.

You're original statement was that every other team has at least one player better than C.J.

Charlotte does not (nor does SAC, ATL, BRK, or several others).

You want facts: www.basketball-reference.com. Knock yourself out.

BNM

Advanced Stats comparison for the 2017-18 Season

PER - CJ (17.6) & Kemba (20.6) - Advantage to Kemba
TS% - CJ (0.547) & Kemba (0.546) - No Advantage
TRB% - CJ (6.1) & Kemba (5.3) - Advantage to CJ
AST% - CJ (15.4) & Kemba (29.3) - Advantage to Kemba
STL% - CJ (1.4) & Kemba (1.7) - Advantage to Kemba
BLK% - CJ (0.8) & Kemba (0.8) - No Advantage
TOV% - CJ (8.6) & Kemba (9.9) - Advantage to CJ
OWS - CJ (2.7) & Kemba (3.1) - Advantage to Kemba
DWS - CJ (1.6) & Kemba (1.5) - Advantage to CJ
WS - CJ (4.3) & Kemba (4.7) - Advantage to Kemba
WS/48 - CJ (0.120) & Kemba (0.147) - Advantage to Kemba
OBPM - CJ (1.9) & Kemba (4.5) - Advantage to Kemba
DBPM - CJ (-1.1) & Kemba (-1.0) - Advantage to Kemba
BPM - CJ (0.8) & Kemba (3.5) - Advantage to Kemba
VORP - CJ (1.2) & Kemba (2.1) - Advantage to Kemba

MPG - CJ (36.3) & Kemba (34.7)
USG% - CJ (26.1) & Kemba (27.5)

Stats borrowed from:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/

 

[riverman]

I have yet to see anyone disagree that Kemba is a better value. I have yet to see a shred of evidence that he's a better player.

BNM

I'll say this about Kemba....he's been on a team with a constantly rotating roster....sometimes a coaching style influences a player's impact...he's fast as lightening ...I'll give him that

 

[Boob-No-More]

It's pretty boring beating a dead horse about a difference of opinion...the guy just got here and he's already labeled a Tunchi...I don't think he's getting a fair shake ...that's all...there are several posters, you included who are excellent stat guys and provide detailed comparisons...not everyone is that guy nor needs to be...what I see is contentiousness more than discourse in this case

I never labeled him or anyone else a Tunchi. Don't lump me in with anyone who did.

Not sure why you think a strong opinion isn't deserving of a strong response. Whether I agree with him or not @LayneStaley doesn't seem like a fragile snowflake that is going to go slinking away because his opinion wasn't universally accepted.

BNM

 

[riverman]

I never labeled him or anyone else a Tunchi. Don't lump me in with anyone who did.

Not sure why you think a strong opinion isn't deserving of a strong response. Whether I agree with him or not @LayneStaley doesn't seem like a fragile snowflake that is going to go slinking away because his opinion wasn't universally accepted.

BNM

never said anything of the sort about you....I'm not making it personal at all....my point is finished...I just read a long argument that I think was not adding anything to the topic....my simple advice was .....agree to disagree.....

 

[Wizard Mentor]

I have yet to see anyone disagree that Kemba is a better value. I have yet to see a shred of evidence that he's a better player.

BNM

@LayneStaley and others...

I'll bite.

I think Kemba is, MAAAAYBE, a better value.... TODAY, still MAAAAYBE.
Value to who? His team wants to trade him because he is not locked up. It is precisely
his lower salary (with corresponding low years, 1.5 years left) that decreases his value
to Charlotte. If Kemba was locked in for 3.5 more years like CJ, then it's possible
they try to keep him and rebuild around him (he's 27).

In terms of $$$ costed/stat metric, Kemba is better, but there is more to "better value" than that.
However, he's not a great value to Charlotte, because soon he'll be playing for another team.

Back on topic,
Several reporters have said numerous times that point blank, the Blazers have said they're not
trading CJ. If the Blazers can get Love without giving up our Big3 + Collins, I'm all for it.

 

[Boob-No-More]

@LayneStaley and others...

Back on topic,
Several reporters have said numerous times that point blank, the Blazers have said they're not
trading CJ. If the Blazers can get Love without giving up our Big3 + Collins, I'm all for it.

Well, yeah. If POR can get ANY starter quality forward without giving up Dame, C.J., Nurk or Collins, hell yes! Especially if we can get all star level player with championship experience for our table scraps.

This trade works, salary wise, but I think CLE is looking for a bigger name player in return for giving up their second best player:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8nduzyq

Isaiah Thomas is the player CLE should really be looking to move, especially if they land George Hill, but who's going to give them anything for a 35 game rental of an undersized PG coming off a major injury?

BNM

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Well, yeah. If POR can get ANY starter quality forward without giving up Dame, C.J., Nurk or Collins, hell yes! Especially if we can get all star level player with championship experience for our table scraps.

This trade works, salary wise, but I think CLE is looking for a bigger name player in return for giving up their second best player:

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=y8nduzyq

Isaiah Thomas is the player CLE should really be looking to move, especially if they land George Hill, but who's going to give them anything for a 35 game rental of an undersized PG coming off a major injury?

BNM

Exactly, I don't think Love is walking through that door, but if he did, I'd welcome him.

 

[BonesJones]

I just typed out a mega post so I’m not gonna get into how cap space helps in making a trade but it does.

How exactly? We can already take on up to a $13M contract without anything ball. Otherwise outgoing and incoming salaries have to be within 125%+$100K of each other. How would cap space help us with a trade?

 

[BonesJones]

It's pretty boring beating a dead horse about a difference of opinion...the guy just got here and he's already labeled a Tunchi...I don't think he's getting a fair shake ...that's all...there are several posters, you included who are excellent stat guys and provide detailed comparisons...not everyone is that guy nor needs to be...what I see is contentiousness more than discourse in this case

He's not a "Tunchi" because he actually elaborates on his opinion, and has some sort of logic behind what he says, even if I disagree. You're the only one who's compared him to Tunchi.

It's called discussing opinions, which is part of what a forum is for. Nobody's attacking the guy. Nobody's treating him unfairly. People are simply stating why they think he's wrong and using substance to back up their argument.

 

[BonesJones]

Advanced Stats comparison for the 2017-18 Season

PER - CJ (17.6) & Kemba (20.6) - Advantage to Kemba
TS% - CJ (0.547) & Kemba (0.546) - No Advantage
TRB% - CJ (6.1) & Kemba (5.3) - Advantage to CJ
AST% - CJ (15.4) & Kemba (29.3) - Advantage to Kemba
STL% - CJ (1.4) & Kemba (1.7) - Advantage to Kemba
BLK% - CJ (0.8) & Kemba (0.8) - No Advantage
TOV% - CJ (8.6) & Kemba (9.9) - Advantage to CJ
OWS - CJ (2.7) & Kemba (3.1) - Advantage to Kemba
DWS - CJ (1.6) & Kemba (1.5) - Advantage to CJ
WS - CJ (4.3) & Kemba (4.7) - Advantage to Kemba
WS/48 - CJ (0.120) & Kemba (0.147) - Advantage to Kemba
OBPM - CJ (1.9) & Kemba (4.5) - Advantage to Kemba
DBPM - CJ (-1.1) & Kemba (-1.0) - Advantage to Kemba
BPM - CJ (0.8) & Kemba (3.5) - Advantage to Kemba
VORP - CJ (1.2) & Kemba (2.1) - Advantage to Kemba

MPG - CJ (36.3) & Kemba (34.7)
USG% - CJ (26.1) & Kemba (27.5)

Stats borrowed from:
https://www.basketball-reference.com/

Lmao...

Also, those bottom 5 are all very similar or weave their way in and out of each other, so posting very similar stats that have one guy ahead are going to mere that guy look further ahead than he is.

 

[stampedehero]

I don't see a great deal between the two teams popping up but I would trade for him before Blake Griffin.

Blake is the better player (when healthy) but that contract and injury issues are scary.

That's right. Griffin ought to have a custom made gurney.

 

[riverman]

You're the only one who's compared him to Tunchi.

no...sorry...I did not.compare him to Tunchi..but another person did...maybe not in this thread, I'm not lookin' it up.

 

[riverman]

Nobody's attacking the guy. Nobody's treating him unfairly

This is not true, but as I said...not my problem anyway....he was attacked, not by you if I remember correctly...my point has been made...but I NEVER compared him to Tunchi..I know who posted it and prefer not to argue with the dude about it.

 

[BBert]

Since when is this forum about simple responses? It would be a pretty boring place if all the replies were I agree and I disagree.

BNM

I agree.

 

[Minstrel]

Can we make an informal forum rule--let's not publicly compare new posters to old, departed posters. If you really think someone is a new incarnation of a previously-banned poster, and that bothers you, report it to SlyPokerDog and let him put his nose to the ground and sniff it out.

Otherwise, it just derails discussions.

This post isn't aimed at anyone in particular, but it is something that happens from time to time.

 

[riverman]

I think Love would love to play in Stotts offense....I think we could get him for a couple bench players like Vonleh and Mo...he's the same age as Ed Davis so not over the hill yet.

 

[BBert]

I think Love would love to play in Stotts offense....I think we could get him for a couple bench players like Vonleh and Mo...he's the same age as Ed Davis so not over the hill yet.

No, no. We'd have to include Turner. I'm sure of it.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

If this thread would have had a poll, I would have voted "no".

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Can we make an informal forum rule--let's not publicly compare new posters to old, departed posters. If you really think someone is a new incarnation of a previously-banned poster, and that bothers you, report it to SlyPokerDog and let him put his nose to the ground and sniff it out.

Otherwise, it just derails discussions.

This post isn't aimed at anyone in particular, but it is something that happens from time to time.

Really sounds like the kind of thing @Ed O would say...

 

[LayneStaley]

This is not true, but as I said...not my problem anyway....he was attacked, not by you if I remember correctly...my point has been made...but I NEVER compared him to Tunchi..I know who posted it and prefer not to argue with the dude about it.

I appreciate you sticking up for me, thank you. That said the minor attacking isn’t enough to get my pulse rate up let alone stop me from posting. Ive played keyboard wars with savages before, a little poke here and there amusses me, if anything.