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riverman said:
You sure couldn't pay me enough to live in Cleveland.
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Like any city, it probably has some very nice estate areas. Downtown Cleveland actually has improved a lot with the Rock & Roll H of F, those newer sports complexes, and the such. Plus Cedar Point ( Coaster Capital of the World) is close. I just get sick of all the hammering of northern cities. I mean, the Great Lakes are pretty cool. LA has TONS of ghettos & dump areas. Plus it has all the phoniness. And the same nice house cost 5 times as much or more. If i was to live by the coast i would choose Oregon or Washington. BC as well. LA IS OVERRATED.
 
tykendo said:
Like any city, it probably has some very nice estate areas. Downtown Cleveland actually has improved a lot with the Rock & Roll H of F, those newer sports complexes, and the such. Plus Cedar Point ( Coaster Capital of the World) is close. I just get sick of all the hammering of northern cities. I mean, the Great Lakes are pretty cool. LA has TONS of ghettos & dump areas. Plus it has all the phoniness. And the same nice house cost 5 times as much or more. If i was to live by the coast i would choose Oregon or Washington. BC as well. LA IS OVERRATED.
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I grew up in the midwest...I don't like the rust belt at all...I know people live there so some must like it but ..no thanks to Ohio and those damned lakes are brutally cold in the winter...LA sucks completely to me but I'm where I want to be
 
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I’ve had a couple times in my life including very recently I opted for a lower paying job because it offered a better quality of life. If I had tens of millions it would make that decision even easier. We only have so many years in this life, that’s worth something to me. I am thrilled with my choice. I know plenty of pathetic, unhappy greedy people. It doesn’t mean be a fool, but live a good life first.
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Another thing to remember though is that these men can only be pro basketball players for like 15 years so they need to make as much as they can while they can. What if you weren't able to do your current job after age 35? PLUS- it's not just about them. It's about their families, their legacy, and what they can do as philanthropists.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Another thing to remember though is that these men can only be pro basketball players for like 15 years so they need to make as much as they can while they can. What if you weren't able to do your current job after age 35? PLUS- it's not just about them. It's about their families, their legacy, and what they can do as philanthropists.
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It’s not going to make a substantial difference in the family lives if we are talking about folks who already have 50-200 mil in the bank. We are talking about Love giving about 5% of his career earnings back. As far as legacy and shortened career, both could be better by agreeing to a buyout. Talk is thatLove won’t be taking the court for the Cavs, so how does that help legacy? Move on to another team and legacy can be helped because 1) more time on the court to show abilities and build stats. 2) be on a more competitive team where quality play could make a real impact on a winning program, 3) outside chance of another ring, Enter a new climate during the latter stages of the career where you can mentor and help as a positive veteran presence on a winning program.

Making as much as they can should be their option, the players union has done a very good job making this possible. However, as an individual with loved ones and a life to enjoy, making as much as they can might not be the best decision. Take a look at Melo, look at his legacy and his fighting to stay in the league. The Miami big three was supposed to be LeBron, Wade and Melo, but Melo went for the bag instead. I’ll bet Melo would have ended up making similar or more money, had a better life and a better legacy if he opted to sacrifice some earnings to play with his friends, who happened to be two of the best players in the world.

give the player the right to choose what’s best for them, I’m just saying what is often best includes a bit less money at some point.
 
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If I’m Kevin Love and since I already got a ring. I would just sit on the Cavs bench, pretend to be hurt and collect money.
 
DDolla said:
If I’m Kevin Love and since I already got a ring. I would just sit on the Cavs bench, pretend to be hurt and collect money.
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I understand that path, but if I were love I’d take a ten mil cut, still make 50mil go to a winning program that has a role and a possibility of winning and contending. Get the vet min year one, if healthy and playing well year two might be able to get all the money left on the table. Better life, still rich as balls!
 
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It’s not going to make a substantial difference in the family lives if we are talking about folks who already have 50-200 mil in the bank. We are talking about Love giving about 5% of his career earnings back. As far as legacy and shortened career, both could be better by agreeing to a buyout. Talk is thatLove won’t be taking the court for the Cavs, so how does that help legacy? Move on to another team and legacy can be helped because 1) more time on the court to show abilities and build stats. 2) be on a more competitive team where quality play could make a real impact on a winning program, 3) outside chance of another ring, Enter a new climate during the latter stages of the career where you can mentor and help as a positive veteran presence on a winning program.

Making as much as they can should be their option, the players union has done a very good job making this possible. However, as an individual with loved ones and a life to enjoy, making as much as they can might not be the best decision. Take a look at Melo, look at his legacy and his fighting to stay in the league. The Miami big three was supposed to be LeBron, Wade and Melo, but Melo went for the bag instead. I’ll bet Melo would have ended up making similar or more money, had a better life and a better legacy if he opted to sacrifice some earnings to play with his friends, who happened to be two of the best players in the world.

give the player the right to choose what’s best for them, I’m just saying what is often best includes a bit less money at some point.
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By legacy, I was talking about wealth handed down from his kids to their kids etc. Not many players have 200 million in the bank. Remember taxes. Remember all the money already spent. Divide that money remaining by 40 to see how much money they have saved up per year for the rest of their life. It’s not as much as people think.
 
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I understand that path, but if I were love I’d take a ten mil cut, still make 50mil go to a winning program that has a role and a possibility of winning and contending. Get the vet min year one, if healthy and playing well year two might be able to get all the money left on the table. Better life, still rich as balls!
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“Contending” most likely involves not winning a title. Being on a “contender” is still a crapshoot. Griffin went to Nets and won one playoff series.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
By legacy, I was talking about wealth handed down from his kids to their kids etc. Not many players have 200 million in the bank. Remember taxes. Remember all the money already spent. Divide that money remaining by 40 to see how much money they have saved up per year for the rest of their life. It’s not as much as people think.
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By 40?
So you think they only will save 2.5% ?
Nah. Once you have several million you save much much more near 50% after taxes at the very least.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
By legacy, I was talking about wealth handed down from his kids to their kids etc. Not many players have 200 million in the bank. Remember taxes. Remember all the money already spent. Divide that money remaining by 40 to see how much money they have saved up per year for the rest of their life. It’s not as much as people think.
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It's somewhat amusing, the guy who admittedly spends everything he's got to basically travel with the team, defending players for living to their maximum current means instead of thinking long-term and spreading those significant earnings over a lifetime of typical employment.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Another thing to remember though is that these men can only be pro basketball players for like 15 years so they need to make as much as they can while they can. What if you weren't able to do your current job after age 35? PLUS- it's not just about them. It's about their families, their legacy, and what they can do as philanthropists.
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Fairly-Hard said:
By 40?
So you think they only will save 2.5% ?
Nah. Once you have several million you save much much more near 50% after taxes at the very least.
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happens more than you would think.
https://www.stadiumtalk.com/s/nba-stars-who-lost-millions-of-dollars-542c2eb2266441f3
 
handiman said:
It's somewhat amusing, the guy who admittedly spends everything he's got to basically travel with the team, defending players for living to their maximum current means instead of thinking long-term and spreading those significant earnings over a lifetime of typical employment.
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I haven’t come close to earning enough money for a lifetime. I was on a TV show for 3 years more than a decade ago. I was just making the point that players don’t make as much money as people think. I have no problem with Love spending his money on whatever he wants. I wouldn’t give up $10 million to play on “a contender” when I already have a ring. I wasn’t intending to make it sound like I was telling Love what do. I’m happy with the way I’ve lived my life.
 
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KSF-ERIC said:
By legacy, I was talking about wealth handed down from his kids to their kids etc. Not many players have 200 million in the bank. Remember taxes. Remember all the money already spent. Divide that money remaining by 40 to see how much money they have saved up per year for the rest of their life. It’s not as much as people think.
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I could live the rest of my life on what a player making the minimum gets in one season. It's too bad some of the players spend all their money and don't save, invest, or spend their money wisely.
 
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“Contending” most likely involves not winning a title. Being on a “contender” is still a crapshoot. Griffin went to Nets and won one playoff series.
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Still further than Love. And it certainly gave Griffin a much better platform to show his strengths. He was talked about on every sports show and elevated from broken down disaster to still impressive and a positive force. Even missing out on a ring but playing somewhere relevant is much better for the mind, heart and legacy,
 
tykendo said:
Like any city, it probably has some very nice estate areas. Downtown Cleveland actually has improved a lot with the Rock & Roll H of F, those newer sports complexes, and the such. Plus Cedar Point ( Coaster Capital of the World) is close. I just get sick of all the hammering of northern cities. I mean, the Great Lakes are pretty cool. LA has TONS of ghettos & dump areas. Plus it has all the phoniness. And the same nice house cost 5 times as much or more. If i was to live by the coast i would choose Oregon or Washington. BC as well. LA IS OVERRATED.
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I disagree. If you are wealthy, LA is awesome. If you are young and attractive and wealthy? Yeah, sign me up. Cannot beat the weather. Beautiful areas to live, can do whatever you want entertainment-wise. I don’t understand how anyone could question why these guys want to live in LA. I lived in SD for a long time. We would go up to LA for the weekend. We were not rich athletes haha and it was still awesome.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
I haven’t come close to earning enough money for a lifetime. I was on a TV show for 3 years more than a decade ago. I was just making the point that players don’t make as much money as people think. I have no problem with Love spending his money on whatever he wants. I wouldn’t give up $10 million to play on “a contender” when I already have a ring. I wasn’t intending to make it sound like I was telling Love what do. I’m happy with the way I’ve lived my life.
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Question Eric (really a question, I don’t assume to know the answer) did you make all your acting decisions based on money generated or did other factors come into play? Art, sports, cities, coworkers, relationships?

I’ve recently made a career maneuver that in the short run is certainly going to cost me 30% at least. But it brings me to a place I want to live, it changes my career to something more substantial and personally fulfilling and if things work ot (betting on myself) I should be able to recoup all relinquished monies down the road.

I see that as similar to a player like Love. Vet min for two years would recoup 5 of the lost 10 mil. Then, increased opportunities would be betting on himself. That five mil might be less if he played great the first year, if he was 70% of the player he was a few years ago I could see after one season a team signing him to a 2 year 14mil contract. Not to mention being happier, perhaps getting local sponsorship dollars or stuff like that. He plays well next to Dame or LeBron, you don’t think that’s a five mil coin?
 
If everyone in here could be 6’7’ and built like a Greek god with more money than they ever needed, and hung out at clubs for ONE night, you’d know why they want to live in LA, Miami, NY or even Dallas or Houston. Portland has literally nothing like it. Gotta put yourself in that mindset and be realistic.
 
calvin natt said:
If everyone in here could be 6’7’ and built like a Greek god with more money than they ever needed, and hung out at clubs for ONE night, you’d know why they want to live in LA, Miami, NY or even Dallas or Houston. Portland has literally nothing like it. Gotta put yourself in that mindset and be realistic.
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This is true....and a good reason why Kevin's bride might vote for the Portland or Cleveland suburbs.
 
calvin natt said:
If everyone in here could be 6’7’ and built like a Greek god with more money than they ever needed, and hung out at clubs for ONE night, you’d know why they want to live in LA, Miami, NY or even Dallas or Houston. Portland has literally nothing like it. Gotta put yourself in that mindset and be realistic.
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that assumes that everyone who is 6'7" and built like a greek god with more money than they ever needed, is looking for that.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
This is true....and a good reason why Kevin's bride might vote for the Portland or Cleveland suburbs.
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She’s all LA and NYC. These people are not normal people. Sorry but it’s true. The NBA and their wives or girls are a different breed. Definitely doesn’t mean that people won’t like Portland or Detroit or Utah but the vast majority want that big city scene.
 
I'm certainly not 6'7, a multi millionaire or .... anything on par with this discussion, but I know I would have enjoyed that life when I was younger. But I grew up, so do many others. Have families, have hobbies things change. Have enough loud rhythmic music, bottles of Dom Perignon and one night stands and things change. Start wanting to go wine tasting, support the arts, have animals and mentor the youth. All sorts of changes happen as we mature, at least for many of us, and that includes 6'7" millionaires. Asking the 22 year old to come to PDX might be rough, but asking the 32 year old is a world apart. It's not everyone, might not even be the majority, but PDX and many other smaller cities can offer something for many of the more mature 6'7" hoopers.
 
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I'm certainly not 6'7, a multi millionaire or .... anything on par with this discussion, but I know I would have enjoyed that life when I was younger. But I grew up, so do many others. Have families, have hobbies things change. Have enough loud rhythmic music, bottles of Dom Perignon and one night stands and things change. Start wanting to go wine tasting, support the arts, have animals and mentor the youth. All sorts of changes happen as we mature, at least for many of us, and that includes 6'7" millionaires. Asking the 22 year old to come to PDX might be rough, but asking the 32 year old is a world apart. It's not everyone, might not even be the majority, but PDX and many other smaller cities can offer something for the many more mature 6'7" hoopers.
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Portland is a hop skip and jump from Hawaii and LA and Cabo or Vegas anytime they want...spend some time being rich in Cleveland and Minneapolis and this looks pretty good...
 
riverman said:
Portland is a hop skip and jump from Hawaii and LA and Cabo or Vegas anytime they want...spend some time being rich in Cleveland and Minneapolis and this looks pretty good...
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Also, the world has shrunk, especially for the wealthy. It's easy to fly just about anywhere. Last year I flew from Santa Rosa where I lived to PDX to have lunch with a friend, then flew back. Whole trip including air fare, uber and lunch cost less than $300 and took about 8 hours. My brother bought a second house in AZ (lives in Seattle), a good friend has time shares in Mexico and Hawaii. None of us have millions in the bank. It's just how life is now. You don't need to live at the party to enjoy the party.
 
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Question Eric (really a question, I don’t assume to know the answer) did you make all your acting decisions based on money generated or did other factors come into play? Art, sports, cities, coworkers, relationships?

I’ve recently made a career maneuver that in the short run is certainly going to cost me 30% at least. But it brings me to a place I want to live, it changes my career to something more substantial and personally fulfilling and if things work ot (betting on myself) I should be able to recoup all relinquished monies down the road.

I see that as similar to a player like Love. Vet min for two years would recoup 5 of the lost 10 mil. Then, increased opportunities would be betting on himself. That five mil might be less if he played great the first year, if he was 70% of the player he was a few years ago I could see after one season a team signing him to a 2 year 14mil contract. Not to mention being happier, perhaps getting local sponsorship dollars or stuff like that. He plays well next to Dame or LeBron, you don’t think that’s a five mil coin?
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Good question. Early in my career, the goal was simple. Be in a Broadway show. Didn't matter which show, what role, or how much I got paid (though it would be the highest paying job I'd get). I auditioned for 5 years and I did sometimes turn down lower paying gigs out of town because I wanted to be available to book a Broadway show. And I got one. It paid about $1200/week and ran for almost 6 months. Then I started auditioning for TV and film as I developed a real liking to that kind of work. I also did many shows that were in development for Broadway all of which either failed or came to fruition when I was too old for doing Bones. And that point I was like... I need to get paid. My last pro theater gig before Bones paid $1500/week and ran for about 6 weeks. In the meantime, I had decided to go to LA. When I get there, I hear you can get as much as $7500 an episode and I'm thinking yes! I end up booking a show for $20,000 an episode. That allowed me to pay off debt and get into a situation where my husband didn't have to work and I could take care of some of the people around me. Now, I'm at a point where I actually want to work for fun. And I'll say this-- when I got Bones, I was also in position to land the lead role in a new Broadway musical and I was like what do I do? Bones was obviously paying much much more but the lead in a Broadway show dream was nearly irresistible. Problem is Broadway show can close immediately but a TV show can get canceled fast too. The Broadway show ended up falling through so I didn't have to make that decision. Not sure what I would've chosen. Probably Bones.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Good question. Early in my career, the goal was simple. Be in a Broadway show. Didn't matter which show, what role, or how much I got paid (though it would be the highest paying job I'd get). I auditioned for 5 years and I did sometimes turn down lower paying gigs out of town because I wanted to be available to book a Broadway show. And I got one. It paid about $1200/week and ran for almost 6 months. Then I started auditioning for TV and film as I developed a real liking to that kind of work. I also did many shows that were in development for Broadway all of which either failed or came to fruition when I was too old for doing Bones. And that point I was like... I need to get paid. My last pro theater gig before Bones paid $1500/week and ran for about 6 weeks. In the meantime, I had decided to go to LA. When I get there, I hear you can get as much as $7500 an episode and I'm thinking yes! I end up booking a show for $20,000 an episode. That allowed me to pay off debt and get into a situation where my husband didn't have to work and I could take care of some of the people around me. Now, I'm at a point where I actually want to work for fun. And I'll say this-- when I got Bones, I was also in position to land the lead role in a new Broadway musical and I was like what do I do? Bones was obviously paying much much more but the lead in a Broadway show dream was nearly irresistible. Problem is Broadway show can close immediately but a TV show can get canceled fast too. The Broadway show ended up falling through so I didn't have to make that decision. Not sure what I would've chosen. Probably Bones.
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Interesting Eric, thanks for sharing that, on the outside we hear and see numbers that don’t really hold much truth.

but as far as the question we’ve been discussing, it seems like you’ve been at different stages in your life regarding finances. The question of Bones vs Broadway is interesting. The money on one hand and the art on the other. At the part of life you were at, sounds like money might have been the best choice but even then you have questions and can see the value of following the artistic side.

Now imagine for a moment you had been on Two and a Half Men for a decade earning $500,000 an episode when you were finally offered a staring role on Broadway. You have $100,000,000 invested and a few homes so you can see the blazers all across the US. Does the money still mean enough to keep going to the set of Two and a Half Men instead of Broadway?
 
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Interesting Eric, thanks for sharing that, on the outside we hear and see numbers that don’t really hold much truth.

but as far as the question we’ve been discussing, it seems like you’ve been at different stages in your life regarding finances. The question of Bones vs Broadway is interesting. The money on one hand and the art on the other. At the part of life you were at, sounds like money might have been the best choice but even then you have questions and can see the value of following the artistic side.

Now imagine for a moment you had been on Two and a Half Men for a decade earning $500,000 an episode when you were finally offered a staring role on Broadway. You have $100,000,000 invested and a few homes so you can see the blazers all across the US. Does the money still mean enough to keep going to the set of Two and a Half Men instead of Broadway?
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Good question. First, don’t get it wrong. TV acting is art too. I think I’d stay on Two and a Half Men. I like TV acting. Very satisfying. I wouldn’t necessarily ever get another TV show and money is finite. I’d get all I could when I could. Once Two and a Half Men ends, I can do Broadway. Unlike the NBA, I can’t age out of an acting career if I’m good at what I do.
 
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