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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 5 2008, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Didn't anybody watch this guy?

I must have gotten every UCLA and Stanford conference game last year.

He and Brook Lopez were on almost every night!</div>

Well since you mentioned Lopez, how do you rate him as an NBA-ready big man and where do you see his potential? I'm curious in case the Nets grab a top 3 pick, trade up, or Lopez drops or some combo of the last two.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FOMW @ May 6 2008, 02:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 5 2008, 11:09 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Didn't anybody watch this guy?

I must have gotten every UCLA and Stanford conference game last year.

He and Brook Lopez were on almost every night!</div>

Well since you mentioned Lopez, how do you rate him as an NBA-ready big man and where do you see his potential? I'm curious in case the Nets grab a top 3 pick, trade up, or Lopez drops or some combo of the last two.
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I think Lopez will go in the top five because he is a legit 7-footer with good bulk who can score in the post.

I would not be happy if the Nets traded up for him. I think he's overrated and will be a mediocre to slightly above average pro.

He's not going to demand double teams. He's inconsistent (read: streaky) and not particularly intimidating. He is more of a face-up player than a real post threat, and those are a dime a dozen nowadays. He has slow feet and his defense needs a lot of work to get stops on the next level. He did a decent job in college, but was a lot bigger than almost every player he faced.

He'd be great on the pick and roll because of his excellent hands and his great touch. He also looks like a real basketball player when he plays - not like a tall guy who somebody made run drills until he learned to play. He's really smooth and coordinated and he's very smart and makes quick decisions. He'll be able to learn offenses quickly and coaches will love him. He'll give the effort defensively, too. He's also got some personality. He competes. He's definitely no stiff.

The reason I don't like him for the Nets is because he doesn't do enough things they lack. I mean, Boone can get dunks on the pick and rolls and rebound just as well or better than Lopez.

To be honest, I think Love would be a better fit on the Nets than Lopez. I don't think either of them will ever be an All-Star, but Love at least I'm positive will be a productive player in the league. He gives a coach some hard to find skills that can be very useful. I think Frank could get a lot of mileage out of him.

Like I said, though, Jordan or Randolph might be a real star - these guys are just safe picks. Kiki better do his homework and be sure there are no Amares in this draft before he takes a guy like Love.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 5 2008, 11:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's just too short to guard centers and he's fat.</div>

Sold!


To me his best hope is a slightly shorter Okur, and therefore a marginal 2014 all-star.
 
I think you guys are really underrating this kid. I agree that he's not going to be an allstar but I think he will be a very serviceable big man. You say he can't guard centers, I disagree. I think he has to guard centers. He's too slow to guard the PFs in the league now. He is short and won't be a great shot blocker but his strength and ability to push people off the block will make him a decent defender. There just aren't many big bulky guys like Howard or Yao in the league anymore who can bang with him and use their height advantage.

Offensively he won't be a great finisher but he is crafty enough to score in the post and if Boone or Williams develop their post game he can spread the floor and give them room to work. I think he much more physical that a Boki Nachbar but has range similar to him. One of his biggest offensive strength is that you can run the offense through him in the high post similar to how Brad Miller played for the Kings. Devin Harris isn't much of a half court PG so he could use some help faciltating the offense.

The is no question he will be able to rebound at the NBA level. He has excellent fundamentals and was a double digit rebounder in college ( which usually translates pretty well to the NBA). Once he gets the rebound, he throws great, strong outlet passes. If he hits Harris near half court, with his speed, you guys should increase you fast break scoring significantly.

Just my opinion though. Personally I hope he slips to the Warriors.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ryan @ May 6 2008, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think you guys are really underrating this kid. I agree that he's not going to be an allstar but I think he will be a very serviceable big man. You say he can't guard centers, I disagree. I think he has to guard centers. He's too slow to guard the PFs in the league now. He is short and won't be a great shot blocker but his strength and ability to push people off the block will make him a decent defender. There just aren't many big bulky guys like Howard or Yao in the league anymore who can bang with him and use their height advantage.

Offensively he won't be a great finisher but he is crafty enough to score in the post and if Boone or Williams develop their post game he can spread the floor and give them room to work. I think he much more physical that a Boki Nachbar but has range similar to him. One of his biggest offensive strength is that you can run the offense through him in the high post similar to how Brad Miller played for the Kings. Devin Harris isn't much of a half court PG so he could use some help faciltating the offense.

The is no question he will be able to rebound at the NBA level. He has excellent fundamentals and was a double digit rebounder in college ( which usually translates pretty well to the NBA). Once he gets the rebound, he throws great, strong outlet passes. If he hits Harris near half court, with his speed, you guys should increase you fast break scoring significantly.

Just my opinion though. Personally I hope he slips to the Warriors.</div>

Finally someone else that watched this obsure player!


His height is a definite problem guarding centers, though. Face-up guys like Ilgauskas and JON can shoot over him at will. Skilled tall men like Bogut or Yao will be able to get whatever they want if they get the post feed and since Love is not much of an athlete a high lob will be enough to get them the ball.

Stronger, more skilled guys like Boozer and Brand will eat his lunch, and he has no chance of getting to the perimeter to guard the Okurs and Sheeds of the world.

That's why he needs to get in shape. He has to get a little quicker and get off the floor more effectively.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 6 2008, 01:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ryan @ May 6 2008, 01:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I think you guys are really underrating this kid. I agree that he's not going to be an allstar but I think he will be a very serviceable big man. You say he can't guard centers, I disagree. I think he has to guard centers. He's too slow to guard the PFs in the league now. He is short and won't be a great shot blocker but his strength and ability to push people off the block will make him a decent defender. There just aren't many big bulky guys like Howard or Yao in the league anymore who can bang with him and use their height advantage.

Offensively he won't be a great finisher but he is crafty enough to score in the post and if Boone or Williams develop their post game he can spread the floor and give them room to work. I think he much more physical that a Boki Nachbar but has range similar to him. One of his biggest offensive strength is that you can run the offense through him in the high post similar to how Brad Miller played for the Kings. Devin Harris isn't much of a half court PG so he could use some help faciltating the offense.

The is no question he will be able to rebound at the NBA level. He has excellent fundamentals and was a double digit rebounder in college ( which usually translates pretty well to the NBA). Once he gets the rebound, he throws great, strong outlet passes. If he hits Harris near half court, with his speed, you guys should increase you fast break scoring significantly.

Just my opinion though. Personally I hope he slips to the Warriors.</div>

Finally someone else that watched this obsure player!


His height is a definite problem guarding centers, though. Face-up guys like Ilgauskas and JON can shoot over him at will. Skilled tall men like Bogut or Yao will be able to get whatever they want if they get the post feed and since Love is not much of an athlete a high lob will be enough to get them the ball.

Stronger, more skilled guys like Boozer and Brand will eat his lunch, and he has no chance of getting to the perimeter to guard the Okurs and Sheeds of the world.

That's why he needs to get in shape. He has to get a little quicker and get off the floor more effectively.
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So we agree that he's too slow to guard power forwards and too small to guard centers. Plus he won't be able to score around the basket because he can't get up high enough.

I just can't see him being an effective player with the ball in his hands a high proportion of the time, which really limits how much damage he can do with his passing. It's one thing if you can pass like that and you're Chris Webber or Arvidas Sabonis. It's another if you're a 6-9 guy who plays below the rim.

Still, I bet he could be a killer shooter, and those guys always stick. Plus he's really strong, and I bet he'll be a pretty good rebounder.

I really have no idea what to make of him. I just can't imagine that he'll be the best player on the board when we pick. Personally, I think I'd like CDR, seeing as how we've got a big "For Sale" sign stamped on RJ's forehead.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ly_yng @ May 6 2008, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I really have no idea what to make of him. I just can't imagine that he'll be the best player on the board when we pick. Personally, I think I'd like CDR, seeing as how we've got a big "For Sale" sign stamped on RJ's forehead.</div>

I think we might have a chance at CDR or Rush with our second 1st rounder.
 
Met him at an In n Out a while ago.

Dude pounded away 3 double doubles, fries and a shake in the 10 min I sat next to him.

Cant confirm if he got up for more though...
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (infinet @ May 7 2008, 05:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Met him at an In n Out a while ago.

Dude pounded away 3 double doubles, fries and a shake in the 10 min I sat next to him.

Cant confirm if he got up for more though...</div>

 
I'm not sold on kevin love, his weight is a major issue in my opinion. Coach Frank complains about Marcus Williams weight, his going to have a heart attack with kevin love. Love kind of reminds me of Sean May and a little bit of Tractor Taylor. Finally like many of you guys have said, Kevin Love isn't going to be an allstar but more of a sixth man.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (d-blockrep2 @ May 8 2008, 03:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Kevin Love isn't going to be an allstar but more of a sixth man.</div>

I think sixth man is a worst case scenario.

This guy is definitely good enough to be a starter in the NBA. He's only 19!
 
I wouldn't worry about his defense, with at least 2 of Boone, Diop, and Sean, Love could probably do a decent job on one guy while the guy he's playing next to covers the other one. Its not like many teams have two great scoring big men. If he can provide some offense, and rebound well, he could be another guy I wouldn't mind, right now I'd probably put him 8th or 9th on my list, and hope Randolph or Jordan is taken in the top 9 (or we could just move up in the lotto).
 
Is he absolutely a great shooter? I'd at least want that.
 
What's wrong with relating a player directly to the Nets, who have a pick almost exactly where this player will probably be drafted?

People in the prospect forum don't care how he fits next to Josh Boone.
 
Funny that I didn't see any relation to the Nets in either of the first 2 posts in this thread, by the person who made it!
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (THE DADDY @ May 8 2008, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Funny that I didn't see any relation to the Nets in either of the first 2 posts in this thread, by the person who made it!</div>

Which is why cpawfan pointed out that there is a prospects forum.

I wanted to talk about him as related to the Nets, though, so this is as good a thread as any.

He's an interesting guy. I'm still not sure how I'd feel if the Nets take him. I'm leaning toward positive but nervous.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 8 2008, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (THE DADDY @ May 8 2008, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Funny that I didn't see any relation to the Nets in either of the first 2 posts in this thread, by the person who made it!</div>

Which is why cpawfan pointed out that there is a prospects forum.

I wanted to talk about him as related to the Nets, though, so this is as good a thread as any.

He's an interesting guy. I'm still not sure how I'd feel if the Nets take him. I'm leaning toward positive but nervous.
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I didn't read the rest of the thread.

I like Kevin Love, but we can only enjoy him if we take him and call him "the Lovemaker".
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (THE DADDY @ May 8 2008, 08:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 8 2008, 08:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (THE DADDY @ May 8 2008, 08:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Funny that I didn't see any relation to the Nets in either of the first 2 posts in this thread, by the person who made it!</div>

Which is why cpawfan pointed out that there is a prospects forum.

I wanted to talk about him as related to the Nets, though, so this is as good a thread as any.

He's an interesting guy. I'm still not sure how I'd feel if the Nets take him. I'm leaning toward positive but nervous.
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I didn't read the rest of the thread.

I like Kevin Love, but we can only enjoy him if we take him and call him "the Lovemaker".
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If the Nets draft him, Sussman's probably going to have a stroke.
 
Ok, now i'm prefacing this by saying i've only seen a little bit of Kevin during his time at UCLA and this may be waaay off, but would a Gugliotta comparison be an incorrect one?

He seems like a kid who could come in and be a steady player, not necessarily need to be a star, can board, can shoot from midrange at a decent clip, surprise some defenders with a decent post game, and a guy who while may not be a stellar athlete can be a guy who gets by on his smarts and positioning.

Now admittedly it's easy to go on the "they're both white" thing but watching him reminded me of the Googs on Minnesota and Phoenix who if ya didn't pay attention could silently kill you on any given night.

Maybe i'm off and the 3 people who remember 'ol Googs can enlighten me on the differences but I just think some of the comparisons I read on Love have been kinda odd.

Then if it is a close comparison, the second question would be can a player like Googs still be effective today?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ May 9 2008, 08:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ok, now i'm prefacing this by saying i've only seen a little bit of Kevin during his time at UCLA and this may be waaay off, but would a Gugliotta comparison be an incorrect one?

He seems like a kid who could come in and be a steady player, not necessarily need to be a star, can board, can shoot from midrange at a decent clip, surprise some defenders with a decent post game, and a guy who while may not be a stellar athlete can be a guy who gets by on his smarts and positioning.

Now admittedly it's easy to go on the "they're both white" thing but watching him reminded me of the Googs on Minnesota and Phoenix who if ya didn't pay attention could silently kill you on any given night.

Maybe i'm off and the 3 people who remember 'ol Googs can enlighten me on the differences but I just think some of the comparisons I read on Love have been kinda odd.

Then if it is a close comparison, the second question would be can a player like Googs still be effective today?</div>

Googs was very in shape and far more athletic than Love
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ May 9 2008, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Googs was very in shape and far more athletic than Love</div>

Is Love a kid who could get there by changing his diet? Or are we looking at a kid who is pretty much showing what he has and it will only be improved slightly by getting in NBA game shape?

Googs was a solid athlete this is true, even when he bulked up later on to be competitive in the post defensively, but are their games similar or am I getting hung up on the whiteboy comparison?
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (reganomics813 @ May 9 2008, 09:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ May 9 2008, 07:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Googs was very in shape and far more athletic than Love</div>

Is Love a kid who could get there by changing his diet? Or are we looking at a kid who is pretty much showing what he has and it will only be improved slightly by getting in NBA game shape?

Googs was a solid athlete this is true, even when he bulked up later on to be competitive in the post defensively, but are their games similar or am I getting hung up on the whiteboy comparison?
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Whiteboy - Googs was a guy that had to work hard on his game and develop himself all through college while Love, as ghoti mentioned, has always had it easy. Googs was a far better defender than Love could become, was a high flier and could beat his man from the perimeter to the rim.

I doubt Love will ever Oliver Miller himself out of the league, but I doubt he makes a Boozer-like total transformation of his body
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ May 9 2008, 08:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Whiteboy - Googs was a guy that had to work hard on his game and develop himself all through college while Love, as ghoti mentioned, has always had it easy. Googs was a far better defender than Love could become, was a high flier and could beat his man from the perimeter to the rim.

I doubt Love will ever Oliver Miller himself out of the league, but I doubt he makes a Boozer-like total transformation of his body</div>

Ok that sounds fair to me, like I said i'm basically going off a handful of games and that doesn't give you much to go on.

It's true that mindset and determination are really key in what kind of a player he can become. He seems to have a nice set of tools and it seems like everything i've read points to a path where he's a good player but it will take him a bit to fully understand what a proper diet and off season regiment can do a la Zach Randolph or Elton Brand.

If a trade looks bleak and we're going big I wouldn't mind us taking a gamble on a kid who has the tools over a raw player a la Jordan even if we have to monitor his Twinkie intake. Our team is about being smart as much as it is athleticism.
 
Love is the son of an NBA player and the first cousin of Brian Wilson.

Like I said, he's been the man his whole life and everything he's done so far has been easy for him.

He hasn't had to go on a diet, be in shape, commit himself to hard work. It'll be interesting how he deals with adversity.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 9 2008, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Love is the son of an NBA player and the first cousin of Brian Wilson.

Like I said, he's been the man his whole life and everything he's done so far has been easy for him.

He hasn't had to go on a diet, be in shape, commit himself to hard work. It'll be interesting how he deals with adversity.</div>

Well in HS, he handled adversity over playing time by having his Dad tell the coach that if he didn't get more playing time Kevin was going to be transferring schools.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ May 9 2008, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 9 2008, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Love is the son of an NBA player and the first cousin of Brian Wilson.

Like I said, he's been the man his whole life and everything he's done so far has been easy for him.

He hasn't had to go on a diet, be in shape, commit himself to hard work. It'll be interesting how he deals with adversity.</div>

Well in HS, he handled adversity over playing time by having his Dad tell the coach that if he didn't get more playing time Kevin was going to be transferring schools.
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But is that Kevin handling it, or his father?
 
on realgm it says he is drawing interest from the Clippers, Heat, Nets and Knicks. I doubt the Heat take him where they draft, same with Knicks. Clippers are borderline. He seems to be moving up, value should be high, maybe he'll be the guy we get. Or maybe we'll send #10 to the Clips, either in a move for Brand, or perhaps packaging it with 21 for #7.
 
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ May 9 2008, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ May 9 2008, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Love is the son of an NBA player and the first cousin of Brian Wilson.

Like I said, he's been the man his whole life and everything he's done so far has been easy for him.

He hasn't had to go on a diet, be in shape, commit himself to hard work. It'll be interesting how he deals with adversity.</div>

Well in HS, he handled adversity over playing time by having his Dad tell the coach that if he didn't get more playing time Kevin was going to be transferring schools.
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That is exactly my point.

This guy has never had to fight for anything in his life. Everyone around him has made it smooth sailing all the way for him.

A lot of these kids are like that, but they aren't all short, fat dudes trying to play center in the NBA.
 
Love would be a nice fit in the big man rotation. Love would be the best low post scorer on the team, and is a big man who you can actually involve in the offense, in a half court set. You can't feature Boone or SWill, or even run plays through them at this point. Nenad was the only viable big man option, and that was mostly for pick and pops, and he hasn't been the same since the knee injury.

Also, can't you imagine Love throwing those home run outlets to a streaking Devin Harris or RJ?


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