Knicks fans still don't get it. I guess that's the New York mentality, to be oblivious to everyone saying they're wrong.
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I bet you wish you were a New Yorker...haha.
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No, I'm quite happy being from the GTA (Toronto).
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Even if the Nets were a considerably better team with a healthy RJ, the Knicks have the potential to be like that as well with a healthy Houston.
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So you basically agree with me that the Nets ARE a considerbly better team then the Knicks with RJ in the lineup, then you discount your defence by saying the Knicks "have the potential to be like that as well".
Potential and proven effectiveness and two different things.
The Nets have been producing dangerously since they acquirred Carter, even with one of the weakest starting lineups (aside from Kidd and Carter) and bench in the league, yet they're still beating teams consistently. The Knicks have a solid squad with some great and somewhat underrated players yet they can't even contend for a playoff spot.
By the way, many people would pick a Kidd-Carter-RJ to be more effective then a Marbury-Crawford-Houston trio.
Once again, you have 3 shoot-first guys on the same team, with Marbury being the point guard that looks to get his own. Kidd looks to set up and involve people around him before he gets his own and that recycles my whole point of Kidd making the ones around him better, which in turn, makes the team better.
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If Marbury was asked "How is your family?" And he says "they're good. I make sure I don't beat them like Kidd did to his wife." Isn't that true?
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Him disrespecting Jason Kidd's personal life is just shameful and disrespectful in every aspect of the word.
Yes, he had troubles with his wife but what does have to do with basketball?
Kidd said the Knicks suck, that's true isn't it? We're discussing Kidd's comments relating to basketball. If Kidd had said that Marbury as a person is "a loser who sucks" then I wouldn't be defending Kidd because that's disrespectful.
He didn't say something degrading personally like "Marbury ain't sh--t compared to me". This is basketball we're focusing on, off-court issues have nothing to do with it.
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If that were the case, why doesn't he say that about every other bad team?
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Kidd doesn't have the best feelings towards New York probably, as well as Marbury.
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They didn't get blown out! They were down by 27 and cut it to 6 in the 4th. That's not getting blown out at all. You guys didn't win by 20, I beleive you won by 12. If you saw the game, you would know it was closer than what the boxscore read. It went down to the final minutes. </div>
I watched the game. I watched the lead squander to 99-92, then I watched Kidd make some great plays on the offensive end and the Nets diminish the Knicks as Jamal Crawford threw passes out of bounds and JYD was the guy taking shots. We won by 12, it was close down the stretch but you guys blew it. Like many times this season, the Knicks choked again.
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He confidently said that the Knicks are bad to the NEW YORK media. No one except the people of NY disagree with him.
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You wanted some instances I gave you some. You can also add some off court stuff too
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That still doesn't answer my original point:
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You're bringing up TWO incidents he's done (against the Knicks no less) and using those two points to defend that hes been "dirty his whole career". That doesn't make sense and doesn't prove anything.
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I'm saying if Kidd had the offensive tools as Marbury, you don't know whether he would look to pass or score first. That Travis Best thing was a joke right?
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You're missing the point here. Kidd is a POINT GUARD, whose job is to PASS FIRST. Marbury is supposed to be a POINT GUARD, but he looks to SHOOT FIRST. See the difference?
He's had the shoot first mentality from Minnesota to NJ to Pheonix to the Knicks. He will never change.
Kidd is a point guard, his game was crafted to pass the ball and make others better. Marbury is a point guard
only by name.
And yes, the Travis Best thing was a joke.
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If Kidd had to deal with injuries like Marbury who knows where'd the be. Marbury with the Suns took them to the playoffs and they gave the NBA champion Spurs a very tough time
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Injuries are the cheapest excuses in the book and they don't justify anything.
Okay, I can make a point like that for any and every team in the league. If the Raptors hadn't lost Vince in the middle of the 2001-2002 season, in which they had a legit shot of contending for home court, who knows where they would have gone?
If Karl Malone hadn't gotten injured last year in the playoffs and in December of 2003, who knows where the Lakers would have gone?
Giving a team a tough time has nothing to do with actually winning a series.
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I know he's had more success, but a loss is a loss as you said. And in this case a ring is a ring. You either have it or you don't.
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Yes, but you are trying to match them up head to head, that's why I'm bringing up that point. If you wanna compare the two, you must also compare them team-sucess wise.
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I think you misunderstood me.
I know the Knicks are bad, but I dont agree with Kidd saying they are a bad team
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Once again, your sentence doesn't make any sense. You know the Knicks are bad, but when someone else says thier bad, you don't agree?
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Haha, with a bonehead like Babcock, the Raptors might use their pick on another Araojo over Al Jefferson, JR Smith, Josh Smith, Iguodala, Telfair, and Jameer
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I have no shame in saying Rob Babcock got ripped off in the Vince trade and was a bust as a GM in his first year.
See, that's what I'm trying to say. I know when I have been proven wrong, there's no point in defending something that can't be defended. Isiah is a stupid GM as of now. Ask any league executive, NBA columnist and the fans, maybe even Knicks fans, and they'd say the same thing.
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So I guess you must think these Nets are elite witha stiffling below .500 record.
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Did you ever think about the fact that they both suck? They're chances are rapidly diminishing.
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They do suck they're not fighting for homecourt advantage.
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Curious about every team? I wonder why you're only curious when they are being bashed?
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To first bold: I do think they are an elite team in the East because with such a sub-par team that was just glued together after the Vince trade, they are still beating teams and have been one of the hottest teams in the league.
2nd Bold: They don't BOTH suck. The Knicks suck, and it's been proven. Unless the Nets are completely out of the playoffs, they don't technically "suck". They have been proven as winners since the All-Star break and I wouldn't qualify them in the same place as the Knicks, and I'm sure everyone (except of course, the Knicks fans) agree.
3rd bold: I guess the Cavs, Wizards, Sixers, Pacers, Nuggets, Kings, Rockets and Grizzlies suck too with your theory.
Fourth Bold- I reply to topics that are fun and worth debating as well as proving wrong people who don't seem to realize reality in itself. You took Kidd's words as a stab at your organization when infact, he was merely stating the truth, take it how you want it. If Carter had said that the Lakers suck, I would have agreed because they do.
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Please read through the thread before you post your rubbish.
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Tribute, follow your own advice. You're the one who posted the comment saying that Kidd has been known as a "dirty and cowardly player his whole career" with no proofing or backing whatsoever. You based his "whole career" on his incident with JYD, which is the biggest rubbish I have seen in the thread.
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You'd like that wouldnt you? I bet that would make your day.
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Actually it would, Knicks fans are the most ignorant and oblivious fans I've seen, even more so then some Lakers fans I see.
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if Marbury had said the Hawks are just another bad team all of you guys would have stormed this forum and condemned him
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Actually, I would have defended him as well. I defended Kidd cause he spoke the truth but you Knicks fans see it like Kidd was talking bad about an elite team. He was talking about the Knicks and everyone, including you faithful fans, know they SUCK.
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This isnt about what Kidd said anymore this is about a bunch of hypocrites who have nothing better to do attacking the Knicks. I suppose their just the team everyone loves to hate.
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Hahah, you'd like that wouldn't you? Being the team everyone loves to hate. Sorry that title still belong to the Lakers.
It's funny that you're saying we have nothing better to do then attack the Knicks....so I guess you have nothing better to do then defend the Knicks in a manner that doesn't even defend them. You just act oblivious to the fact that Kidd said the Knicks sucks, WHICH THEY DO, so what's the deal?
