Kidd Clowns Knicks

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">First, Jason Kidd killed the Knicks with his play. Then he buried them with his words.

After he recorded the 66th triple double of his career, his seventh this season ? in the same game he took over ninth place on the all-time assist list ? Kidd was asked if he gets up for the Knicks, the team connected to his personal voodoo doll.

"I did when I first got here, but it doesn't excite me anymore," insisted Kidd. "Why? They're just another bad team.</div>
New York Post

 

[purpleb0n9]

The Knicks may have to wait for another 1-2 seasons before they can own Kidd's team (whatever it is) in the regular season.

 

[LakeTown]

What do you expect? Knicks for the lack of better word suck, and they over maxed their salary cap, i mean common. Marbury declares himself the best point guard and BOLDLY places himself above JKIDD, and then Kidd gets a tripple double.

 

[JWohl]

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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting LakeTown:</div><div class="quote_post">What do you expect? Knicks for the lack of better word suck, and they over maxed their salary cap, i mean common. Marbury declares himself the best point guard and BOLDLY places himself above JKIDD, and then Kidd gets a tripple double.</div>
by common do you mean come on? He declared himself the best PG a while ago and now Kidd got the triple double so the two have nothing to do with each other.

 

[LakeTown]

^ yeah i mean come on, sorry about that forgot to press space, and yeah it does. I think that JKidd still remembers what Steph said. And for that matter i think every other PG in the league remembers that too. Also Kidd is right, Knicks are just another bad team right now, maybe in a coupple years theyll be a contender once again but not now.

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting LakeTown:</div><div class="quote_post">What do you expect? Knicks for the lack of better word suck, and they over maxed their salary cap, i mean common. Marbury declares himself the best point guard and BOLDLY places himself above JKIDD, and then Kidd gets a tripple double.</div>
What do you expect? They asked Marbury "Do you think you're the best PG in the league?" If he said no, than the next day in the papers it will say Marbury is not confident and he can't lead the Knicks or something. They asked him the question it's not like he just said it out the blue. Whether or not they are bad or not, you don't say that. It's not like the Nets are a whole lot better than the Knicks either. They are easily in the same realm. How would it be if the Spurs beat the Blazers and Tim Duncan said I don't get excited because the Blazers are a bad team. If anything, Kidd's statement is worse than Marbury's statement.

 

[Shapecity]

This is a New York Post article. They always misconstrue player's comments after a game. Jason Kidd is one of the most competitive players in the NBA. He doesn't need much to get motivated to play hard every night. I know he has a personal feud with Marbury and likes to stick it to him everytime they match up.

 

[Tribute to H2O]

This article made me laugh. The Knicks are definetely a bad team but last time I checked the Nets werent one of the elites either. Kidd is talking as if the Nets are going somewhere this season when in actuality their fighting to become an appetizer for Shaq. Kidd is probably just upset that no matter how good the Nets are they wont be nearly as popular as the Knicks. No offense to all the true die hard Nets fans out there.

 

[VintageNYK]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">This article made me laugh. The Knicks are definetely a bad team but last time I checked the Nets werent one of the elites either. Kidd is talking as if the Nets are going somewhere this season when in actuality their fighting to become an appetizer for Shaq. Kidd is probably just upset that no matter how good the Nets are they wont be nearly as popular as the Knicks. No offense to all the true die hard Nets fans out there.</div>

Hit the nail perfectly. And you guys see Kidd stand over JYD when he was called for the offensive foul? Taunting him. What is he now a tough guy? First that and then claiming which teams are good and bad. Shut up Kidd, talk when you make the playoffs this year. Because if you dont, you're a bad team too.

 

[WadeDynasty]

Welll knicks are the bad team right now...
what should Kidd say???

 

[AirJordan]

I wouldn't even be happy if my high school team beat the Knicks.

 

[Beat]

J-Kidd is a funny character. Weren't the nets "Just another bad team" before Vince Carters rebirth?

 

[Henacy]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting BobbyEscobar:</div><div class="quote_post">J-Kidd is a funny character. Weren't the nets "Just another bad team" before Vince Carters rebirth?</div>


Ahh...actually no they really improved because Jason Kidd got healthy and was once again ready to return to playing his normal 40 minutes of floor general-ship. What Vince has done is nice but please dont get confused about who the engine of the team is....Kidd's play dictates everything else on the floor.

And I dont think that Kidd is saying the Knicks just stink this year, he is pretty much saying the Knicks have stunk ever since he has been in Jersey so what is the need to get excited about playing them for...It isnt Pearl, Clyde, Pat, Oak, Starks or anyone else from past Knicks greatness suiting up on the court. Its Crawford, Tim Thomas etc suiting up. And frankly, the product the Knicks are putting on the floor nowadays is pure garabage, get offended if you want, but its the truth. And that is what Kidd is saying just not in as many words.

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting WadeDynasty:</div><div class="quote_post">Welll knicks are the bad team right now...
what should Kidd say???</div>
How about nothing.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting AirJordan:</div><div class="quote_post">
I wouldn't even be happy if my high school team beat the Knicks.</div>
I wouldn't even be happy if my high school team beat the Raptors.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post">Ahh...actually no they really improved because Jason Kidd got healthy and was once again ready to return to playing his normal 40 minutes of floor general-ship. What Vince has done is nice but please dont get confused about who the engine of the team is....Kidd's play dictates everything else on the floor.

And I dont think that Kidd is saying the Knicks just stink this year, he is pretty much saying the Knicks have stunk ever since he has been in Jersey so what is the need to get excited about playing them for...It isnt Pearl, Clyde, Pat, Oak, Starks or anyone else from past Knicks greatness suiting up on the court. Its Crawford, Tim Thomas etc suiting up. And frankly, the product the Knicks are putting on the floor nowadays is pure garabage, get offended if you want, but its the truth. And that is what Kidd is saying just not in as many words.</div>
So? Why do you have to go out and say that? The last time I checked the Nets weren't contenders either. The Knicks have had their problems recently especially during that January mental lapse, but what about the Nets before Kidd came? Kidd is talking as if the Nets are battling for the conference crown when they're battling to become an appetizer for Shaq like Tribute said. That's disrespectful to say to any team I don't care what they're putting on the floor.

 

[Tribute to H2O]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting WadeDynasty:</div><div class="quote_post">Welll knicks are the bad team right now...
what should Kidd say???</div>

He could just, I dont know...maybe shut the hell up! The Nets as of today arent even in the playoffs. So I dont know where he gets off saying the "Knicks are just another bad team". Afterall if you dont make the playoffs you're "just another bad team" too. Or if he really had to say something he could have said it after the third game when the Knicks and Nets met each other instead of saying it after the last time they played each other. He is a true, blue, fugazy! Kidd must think he's a real tough guy insulting the Knicks when he wont see them for the rest of the season. But of course that's Jason Kidd. He's been a cowardly, dirty man for most of his career so I dont expect anything more out of him.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post">And I dont think that Kidd is saying the Knicks just stink this year, he is pretty much saying the Knicks have stunk ever since he has been in Jersey so what is the need to get excited about playing them for...It isnt Pearl, Clyde, Pat, Oak, Starks or anyone else from past Knicks greatness suiting up on the court. Its Crawford, Tim Thomas etc suiting up. And frankly, the product the Knicks are putting on the floor nowadays is pure garabage, get offended if you want, but its the truth. And that is what Kidd is saying just not in as many words.</div>

Well isnt that the pot calling the kettle black. The Nets line up is full of star players. They have household names such as Jason Collins, Nenad Kristic and Cliff Robinson. That must be why the Nets are currently on the outside looking in. What Kidd needs to do is keep his mouth shut, do what he's paid to do and play basketball. Maybe if he does that he'll scrape into the playoffs just in time to be swept by Shaq.

 

[WadeDynasty]

People got freedom of expression
Nets won 8 more games than the knicks and they have possibility of getting that 8th spot in the east where Knicks managed to win 29 games only.
Good defense tho knicks fans. It's hard to stay a fan of losing team. I've done that with the HEAT where they didn't get to playoffs for 3-4 years.

 

[Henacy]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Tribute to H2O:</div><div class="quote_post">
Well isnt that the pot calling the kettle black. The Nets line up is full of star players. They have household names such as Jason Collins, Nenad Kristic and Cliff Robinson. That must be why the Nets are currently on the outside looking in. What Kidd needs to do is keep his mouth shut, do what he's paid to do and play basketball. Maybe if he does that he'll scrape into the playoffs just in time to be swept by Shaq.</div>


First off its not just about the names that you put on the court, I didnt mention Tim Thomas & Jamal Crawford to name drop. I mainly named those two because they are exactly the opposite of what the Knicks history has been about. And as a Knick fan you should clearly know that. You have,two me first players, who dont have the slightest idea about what winning or playing within the team concept is about. That is the reason why the Bulls didnt want Crawford & the Bucks nor Philly ever had Tim Thomas in the grand scheme of their futures, yet the Knicks pay Crawford a bunch of money during the offseason. It just goes to show that the Knicks goals have been over the past 5 plus years. And that is to stay in the scheme of being a poor basketball team. So please fully understand my post and opinions before you respond. Never once did I say those guys where garabage because they arent house hold names like past Knicks, I just said they were garabage, their effort on the basketball court has been consistently garabage. And that is way before they became Knicks, noticed I never mentioned Kurt Thomas, Jerome Williams, Malik Rose, guys who are less known as household names then Crawford or Tim Thomas, why? because I respect the effort they put out on the basketball court.

And lol, you name drop NJ Nets players as a means of being disrepectful but you pretty much make no sense cause who cares if the casual basketball fan knows who Cliff Robinson is....he has lasted in the NBA for 18 years simply off his ablity to play defense, the guy has been apart of teams that have been to the NBA finals. At one time he actually was on teams that made the playoffs for 11 consectuive years, countless times in the playoffs if you think about his years in Portland, Phoenix etc...you know what that is called being a winner come back and post when 90% of the Knicks roster learns what that is actually about...Household names mean nothing the Knicks stink because their effort on a nightly bases stinks, so please never confuse my point of the post.

BTW, Who cares what Kidd's personality is like off the court? fact of the matter is that on the court he places the game almost as picture perfect as you can play from the point guard postion being a floor leader...

And stop worrying about whether the Nets are going to get ate up by Shaq or not in the first round....The fact is the Nets have continued to display the heart to fight to try & get in...after everyone had them written off after the 3-12 start and Kidd sitting on the sideline with leg problems. And them was written off again when RJ went down who was our Best player up until that point. But the fact is that guys like Krstic, Collins, Best, step their games up along with our star guys. And trhe Nets are still in the hunt to extend their season, so even if they dont do much against Shaq in the playoffs or dont even make the playoffs at all this is still something they can build on going into Next year.

BTW, do you really think that if Kidd would have said it before the game the outcome would have been different, if that is what the Knicks need for motivation then they are far worst off then you or I can even imagine. Plus Richard Jefferson talked greasy about the Knicks all last season and it didnt motivate them to put up much of a fight. And Kenyon Martin clowned one of your key players in the playoffs yet after game one the Knicks werent motivated to put up much of a fight in the playoffs. So why would they get motivated now, honestly? please..........

 

[NJNetz]

i kinda think kidd is talkin to marbury without actually sayin it. he probably says ur team is bad and everytime ur on a team their bad. u think im a loser becuz i have no championships well look at urself. somethin like that. im sure kidd is talkin about marbury

 

[jbbCourtVision]

I think people are really blowing this out of proportion. Kidd was just fulfilling his media obligation and answering a question posed to him by THE NEW YORK MEDIA. What do you want him to do? Lie about getting up and circling the Knicks on his calendar every year? Thats like him saying he gets up to play the Bobcats when he sees them on the calendar. That would be celebrating mediocrity at it's finest.

Basic fact is when he is asked a question he must answer that question with a statement. He can't just "shut up" or say nothing. He basically just told the truth and judging by the responses in this thread, the truth hurts.

 

[Karma]

Haha, no disrespect, but notice that the two Knicks fans are the only ones who don't agree with Kidd's comments.
My view on it, regardless or WHOEVER it was, I'd agree. If you have a (considerbly) better record then the other team, then you deserve to talk. If the Spurs came in and said "Why should we be excited about the Nets? They're just a team that's contending for a playoff spot," I would completely agree with it, because its real.

I guarantee you had it been a bizzaro world and the Nets were headed for the lottery and the Knicks were contending for a playoff sport and Marbury had said it, you same fans would not have disapproved of it.

I don't care who says it, because you let your record speak for itself. Kidd talked, but many things could have led him to it, from last year's playoff bitterness between the two teams to him and Marbury swapping teams.

You Knicks fans need to realize that your team does SUCK and stop trying to defending them (though you are doing a very good job) because they do suck. Yes, my favourite team are the Raptors and Lakers. Yes, they do suck. I know what to defend and what not to. I'm not gonna beat around the bush. If my team sucks, I'd admit it. What do you want me to do? Bring up the past and say they did this and this "not too long ago?"

We all know the Knicks suck and the Nets are the ones who have been on a streak of late, not the Knicks, so who has bragging rights?
Once again, I'm not just defending Kidd's comments, I would defend anybody who's team has a (considerably) better record then the latter team saying the same things.
Whereas if Marbury, with the Knicks current record had said the same thing about the Nets, I would not have defended him cause he has no right to say that.

I know you're a Knicks fan and everything but Marbury saying that he was the best point guard in the league was flat out stupid. I'd pick Steve Nash or Kidd over him any day, and so would many others, including you (as in general Knicks fans who defend his stament) I'm guessing.

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He's been a cowardly, dirty man for most of his career so I dont expect anything more out of him.
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Really? Lol that's news to me. Please name some instances where he was cowardly and dirty, and please dont bring up off court issues, that has nothing to do with this.

I guess I shouldn't expect much out of Marbury either, since he hasn't WON anything in his life. Jason Kidd hasn't won a ring but atleast he's lead his team to the Finals, TWICE. What exactly has Marbury done???

This Kidd vs. Marbury thing baffles me, it's not even close and I'm not even bias but I see the big picture but yet you don't.
If the two swapped teams right now, do you really think the Knicks would have had the record they had right now? Kidd makes the people around him better, wheras Marbury looks to get his own while looking for ohters as well, but you need to realize Kidd is more of a PASS first PG and Marbury is a SHOOT first PG, which is what seperates the scoring-point guards, from the REAL PG's.

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The Nets line up is full of star players. They have household names such as Jason Collins, Nenad Kristic and Cliff Robinson. That must be why the Nets are currently on the outside looking in. What Kidd needs to do is keep his mouth shut, do what he's paid to do and play basketball. Maybe if he does that he'll scrape into the playoffs just in time to be swept by Shaq.
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Well, the Knicks lineup is full of overpaid "potential stars" as well and the Nets, despite having a lack of "household names" are STILL doing better then your lowly Knicks. You should be ashamed of your team and its management for producing so little with such high expectations rather then lash your bitterness towards another team that's actually in the hunt for something rather then a lottery pick. Yes, there's a high possiblity that the Nets wil get swept in the first round but hey, atleast they can say they made the playoffs. After all, isn't that what you play for? By the way, Knicks don't have anything on the Nets NEXT year either when Kidd, Caretr and RJ are all back so I'm sure your bitterness will be everlast.

 

[AirJordan]

I wouldn't be happy if my high school team beat the Raptors either. At least I admit they suck and not cry my ass off.

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spawn:</div><div class="quote_post">Haha, no disrespect, but notice that the two Knicks fans are the only ones who don't agree with Kidd's comments.
My view on it, regardless or WHOEVER it was, I'd agree. If you have a (considerbly) better record then the other team, then you deserve to talk. If the Spurs came in and said "Why should we be excited about the Nets? They're just a team that's contending for a playoff spot," I would completely agree with it, because its real.</div>
And the Knick haters are the one bashing them. The Nets don't have a considerably better record than the Knicks. You got it all wrong and you're mixing a power house team with the Nets/Knicks. The Nets aren't a whole lot better than the Knicks and mixing them up with the Spurs is ridiculous.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I guarantee you had it been a bizzaro world and the Nets were headed for the lottery and the Knicks were contending for a playoff sport and Marbury had said it, you same fans would not have disapproved of it.</div>
Well your guaruntee is wrong. I would have spoke my true feelings on it.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">You Knicks fans need to realize that your team does SUCK and stop trying to defending them (though you are doing a very good job) because they do suck. Yes, my favourite team are the Raptors and Lakers. Yes, they do suck. I know what to defend and what not to. I'm not gonna beat around the bush. If my team sucks, I'd admit it. What do you want me to do? Bring up the past and say they did this and this "not too long ago?"</div>
Who the hell in this forum didn't say anything about the Knicks being bad? You barely ever come up to this forum and yet you're telling us what we do and don't realize? Do some research before you come up in here and tell us what we do an don't realize!

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">We all know the Knicks suck and the Nets are the ones who have been on a streak of late, not the Knicks, so who has bragging rights?
Once again, I'm not just defending Kidd's comments, I would defend anybody who's team has a (considerably) better record then the latter team saying the same things.
Whereas if Marbury, with the Knicks current record had said the same thing about the Nets, I would not have defended him cause he has no right to say that.</div>
You're acting as if the Nets are a power house team when they have a record below .500 themselves. In all the games we played them it was close it's not like they killed us.
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I know you're a Knicks fan and everything but Marbury saying that he was the best point guard in the league was flat out stupid. I'd pick Steve Nash or Kidd over him any day, and so would many others, including you (as in general Knicks fans who defend his stament) I'm guessing.
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How was it stupid. He goes out with confidence. Many players said that when they go out and play, they feel as if they have the attitude that they are the best. If you play basketball, you would know confidence is a key factor in what you do on the court. Reggie Miller said when he goes out and plays he feels as if he's better than Jordan.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Really? Lol that's news to me. Please name some instances where he was cowardly and dirty, and please dont bring up off court issues, that has nothing to do with this. </div>
Well I think many wouldn't consider when he was messing with Frank Williams and what he did to JYD "clean" (as in general you won't think so.)

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I guess I shouldn't expect much out of Marbury either, since he hasn't WON anything in his life. Jason Kidd hasn't won a ring but atleast he's lead his team to the Finals, TWICE. What exactly has Marbury done??? </div>
Okay, this is the same year in which Van Horn and the rest of them were all plagued with injuries. Also Jefferson was acquired in the same year. Too bad Marbury isn't talented enough to lead an injury plagued team.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">This Kidd vs. Marbury thing baffles me, it's not even close and I'm not even bias but I see the big picture but yet you don't.
If the two swapped teams right now, do you really think the Knicks would have had the record they had right now? Kidd makes the people around him better, wheras Marbury looks to get his own while looking for ohters as well, but you need to realize Kidd is more of a PASS first PG and Marbury is a SHOOT first PG, which is what seperates the scoring-point guards, from the REAL PG's.</div>
Kidd isn't talented offensively and isn't in the same league as Marbury in scoring. If he had the muscle athleticism and explosiveness as Marbury who knows what he would do. The thing is the team needs Marbury's scoring and yet he still needs to dish as well. That's tough to manage. If Kidd was on the Knicks, we'd probably have the same record. The Knicks mental lapse in January set the tone for them in the rest of the season.



<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Well, the Knicks lineup is full of overpaid "potential stars" as well and the Nets, despite having a lack of "household names" are STILL doing better then your lowly Knicks. You should be ashamed of your team and its management for producing so little with such high expectations rather then lash your bitterness towards another team that's actually in the hunt for something rather then a lottery pick. Yes, there's a high possiblity that the Nets wil get swept in the first round but hey, atleast they can say they made the playoffs. After all, isn't that what you play for? By the way, Knicks don't have anything on the Nets NEXT year either when Kidd, Caretr and RJ are all back so I'm sure your bitterness will be everlast.</div>
Please do us all a favor and shut the hell up! No one here is saying the Knicks are a good team. Where do you see that??? We all know what the Knicks are we are just saying we don't agree what Kidd said. Sure it's true, but it's not like the Nets are anything special because the way it looks now, they're not even in the playoffs. Once the Knicks have their lottery pick and we do something with our expiring contracts and we have a healthy Allan Houston, than we have something. No matter how good or bad the Nets are, they'll never be as popular as the Knicks. Please we don't need you to give assesments about our team. You have your own two teams that suck. Why don't you worry about them.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting CourtVision:</div><div class="quote_post">
I think people are really blowing this out of proportion. Kidd was just fulfilling his media obligation and answering a question posed to him by THE NEW YORK MEDIA. What do you want him to do? Lie about getting up and circling the Knicks on his calendar every year? Thats like him saying he gets up to play the Bobcats when he sees them on the calendar. That would be celebrating mediocrity at it's finest.

Basic fact is when he is asked a question he must answer that question with a statement. He can't just "shut up" or say nothing. He basically just told the truth and judging by the responses in this thread, the truth hurts.</div>
They asked Kidd something like: "Do you look forward to playing the Knicks?" Why couldn't he say no, not really or something of that nature. They asked Marbury the same thing like do you think I'm the best PG in the league. When he stated his opinion, everyone started knocking him. It doesn't matter they didn't ask him "Do you think that the Knicks are a good team?" Those actions are like kicking a dog when it's down and they were uncalled for.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting "Air Jordan":</div><div class="quote_post">I wouldn't be happy if my high school team beat the Raptors either. At least I admit they suck and not cry my ass off.</div>
Who's doing that? Everyone here has talked about how bad the Knicks are a number of times. If you actually took the time out to read a thing or two in this forum, you'd know that. Everyone feels Kidd doesn't have to go around dictating which teams are good and bad especially if the Nets are far from elite. Why doesn't Kidd talk about the other teams that are bad?

 

[NJNetz]

Funny when marbury says hes the best point guard it wasnt a big deal, even though he isnt. but kidd says one thing and hes the enemy.

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NbaBaller:</div><div class="quote_post">Funny when marbury says hes the best point guard it wasnt a big deal, even though he isnt. but kidd says one thing and hes the enemy.</div>
Not a big deal??? Are you joking? Hell yeah it was a big deal! By you asking that I question whether you live in the NY area.

Marbury didn't give out cheap shots. Marbury since he was a child has always been confident and when the media asked him "Are you rhe best PG in the league" he said it out of nature.

 

[Karma]

Hey I guess the New York fans are just like thier media...haha

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You got it all wrong and you're mixing a power house team with the Nets/Knicks. The Nets aren't a whole lot better than the Knicks and mixing them up with the Spurs is ridiculous.
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I was merely using the Spurs as an example. You could replace the Spurs with any team. If Ben Gordon had said that about the Nets I wouldn't have said anything because he has a right to say it but he wouldn't in the first place cause it is clear the Nets are NOT a bad team, their turn-around since aquirring Vince shows it. The Nets, if they had Vince and Kidd and RJ from the starting of the season, would have a "considerably" better record then the Knicks and I'm sure you don't disagree.

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Who the hell in this forum didn't say anything about the Knicks being bad? You barely ever come up to this forum and yet you're telling us what we do and don't realize? Do some research before you come up in here and tell us what we do an don't realize!
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Calm down there. You DONT seem to realize still that Kidd saying the Knicks are bad is NOT that big of a deal like you're making out to be because as you said, YOU realize that the Knicks are bad and so does he. So he's merely stating the truth which everyone agrees with. What's the problem?

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You're acting as if the Nets are a power house team when they have a record below .500 themselves. In all the games we played them it was close it's not like they killed us.
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A loss is a loss, no matter what kind of loss it is. And 2 nights ago, they basically blew you guys out. Kudos on the little comeback but it still wasn't enough. We won by double digits, thats convincing enough.

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How was it stupid. He goes out with confidence. Many players said that when they go out and play, they feel as if they have the attitude that they are the best.
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I see, so I could make a point that Kidd said his comments with "confidence" as well, and he goes out with "confidence", does he not? Does "confidence" justify his words do you? Your point is not valid, every NBA player is confident. Hell, even Milt Palacio is confident, but he knows better then saying he's the best at a certain position before proving s--t.

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Well I think many wouldn't consider when he was messing with Frank Williams and what he did to JYD "clean" (as in general you won't think so.)
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My comment was directed towards Tribute saying that he's been known as a dirty player his whole career.

If Jason Kidd is dirty to you, I wonder what Bruce Bowen is. You are only bringing up specific situations related with Jason Kidd and your Knicks. Tribute says he's been that way his whole career, but you don't have the facts to prove it.

JYD did a hard foul on Vince and stood above him as well, does that make him "a dirty player his whole career?"
You're bringing up TWO incidents he's done (against the Knicks no less) and using those two points to defend that hes been "dirty his whole career". That doesn't make sense and doesn't prove anything.

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Kidd isn't talented offensively and isn't in the same league as Marbury in scoring. If he had the muscle athleticism and explosiveness as Marbury who knows what he would do. The thing is the team needs Marbury's scoring and yet he still needs to dish as well. That's tough to manage. If Kidd was on the Knicks, we'd probably have the same record. The Knicks mental lapse in January set the tone for them in the rest of the season.
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Are you joking me? Do you know how much offensive threats the Knicks CAN have if they play upto thier potential? You got Tim Thomas, Jamal Crawford and you have some excellent forwards like Trevor and Sweetney. You think If Kidd came and pushed an uptempo set-up and kept feeding it to these players, they wouldn't score? Kidd helps everyone gets touches wheras Marbury looks to get his own before he looks to pass. Yes, as you can see, the Nets, comapred to the Knicks have WAYYYYYYY better proven offensive threats such as Travis Best

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Okay, this is the same year in which Van Horn and the rest of them were all plagued with injuries. Also Jefferson was acquired in the same year. Too bad Marbury isn't talented enough to lead an injury plagued team.
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I was talking about him not having proven himself his whole career. Jason Kidd turned around the Nets who were a loterry team with Marbury (yes yes, I'm aware of the injuries) and lead them to the finals in 2002 and 2003. Marbury struggled in the East with Nets, he struggled in the West with the Suns and he's struggling in the East again with the Knicks. His whole career, he hasn't gotten far. I don't even think he's been past the first round, which further justifies my point. He's not a proven winner.
Jason Kidd is. (No rings I know, but BOTH of them don't have it so in terms of playoff sucess, Kidd is way out in front.)

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Please do us all a favor and shut the hell up!
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Great point.

Sounds like my words are getting to your head

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We all know what the Knicks are we are just saying we don't agree what Kidd said. Sure it's true,
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Now you're contradicting yourself...you said you KNOW what the Knicks are (which is that they are BAD), but you said you don't agree with what Jason Kidd said (which was that they were BAD). So you agree that they are bad yourself, but when Jason Kidd says they are bad you don't agree?

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Once the Knicks have their lottery pick and we do something with our expiring contracts and we have a healthy Allan Houston, than we have something.
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LOL. That's quite a plan there. With a bonehead GM like Isiah, I'm sure that will happen.
What you just said astonishes me because EVERY team in the league could make a "plan" like that.
Oh, let's see, sure I know the Raptors are bad, but once they get thier lottery pick, trade Jalen Rose, get rid of Mo Pete, Lamond Murray and Milt Palacio, then we have something.

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No matter how good or bad the Nets are, they'll never be as popular as the Knicks
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A sign that you're giving up on this debate. This has nothing to do with popularity, we're talking about Jason Kidd saying the Knicks are bad, what does the Knicks being popular have to do with it?
That's like me saying "No matter how good or bad the Sonics are, they'll never be as popular as the Lakers". So what if they're popular? They're losing, the whole point of an NBA season is to win games.

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Please we don't need you to give assesments about our team. You have your own two teams that suck. Why don't you worry about them.
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O...kay. My "assesment" on your team was basically what everyone knows, from Raptor fans to Heat fans to even Knicks fans: Knicks suck. You say you dont need me giving assesments about the Knicks then you come and say that the Nets suck, which is quite funny, because they're the ones who have a legit chance of making the playoffs and your Knicks have a guarantee of being a loterry team. Yes, the Nets must really suck. For the record, this is a basketball board, I can and will be curious about every team, not just a certain one.

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Why doesn't Kidd talk about the other teams that are bad?
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He probably doesn't like the Knicks and Marbury.

 

[Henacy]

This debate lost all credablity when MJ18 said Kidd isnt talented offensively, you think the only way that you prove you offensive talents is by scoring the basketball. What about your ablity to run an offense, which is the offensive skill most needed by a point guard, what about your ablity to make other poeoples offensive skills better, that isnt having offesive talent? please....

And as far as Kidd's indivual talents on offense no he isnt the quickest guy at getting to the hoop like say a Stephon Marbury, but his ablity to position his body using his size against other point guards whether it be in the post area or around the free throw line area, Kidd still knows how to get his shot off against anyone. And also how to draw defenders into picking up fouls. Also last time I checked he was one of the most talented open court players in the league at getting to the hoop as well as finshing from the PG slot. And No he isnt a great outside shooter. But he is solid from the mid range area. And has a nack for making the long distance ones when they really court. So for me to see someone say Kidd isnt talented offensively blows my mind.

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting spawn:</div><div class="quote_post">Hey I guess the New York fans are just like thier media...haha</div>
I bet you wish you were a New Yorker...haha.

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I was merely using the Spurs as an example. You could replace the Spurs with any team. If Ben Gordon had said that about the Nets I wouldn't have said anything because he has a right to say it but he wouldn't in the first place cause it is clear the Nets are NOT a bad team, they're turn-around since aquirring Vince shows. The Nets, if they had Vince and Kidd and RJ from the starting of the season, would have a "considerably" better record then the Knicks and I'm sure you don't disagree.
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The Spurs one was a bad example because you're mixing up a championship caliber team with...the Nets. Gordon is in the playoffs, Kidd isn't. Big difference. Now you're making assumptions. How do you know how the Nets would turn out? People thought the Jazz were "considerably better" people thought the same thing about the Blazers. They also said that about the Timberwolves and Nuggets prior to them getting George Karl. Even if the Nets were a considerably better team with a healthy RJ, the Knicks have the potential to be like that as well with a healthy Houston.


<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Calm down there. You DONT seem to realize still that Kidd saying the Knicks are bad is NOT that big of a deal like you're making out to be because as you said, you REALIZE that the Knicks are bad and so does he. So he's merely stating the truth which everyone agrees with. What's the problem?

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Some things don't need to be mentioned. If Marbury was asked "How is your family?" And he says they're good. I make sure I don't beat them like Kidd did to his wife. Isn't that true? Does it need to be mentioned? I think Kidd's attempt did not have good intentions. If that were the case, why doesn't he say that about every other bad team?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">A loss is a loss, no matter what kind of loss it is. And 2 nights ago, they basically blew you guys out. Kudos on the little comeback but it still wasn't enough. We won by double digits, thats convincing enough.
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They didn't get blown out! They were down by 27 and cut it to 6 in the 4th. That's not getting blown out at all. You guys didn't win by 20, I beleive you won by 12. If you saw the game, you would know it was closer than what the boxscore read. It went down to the final minutes.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I see, so I could make a point that Kidd said his comments with "confidence" as well, and he goes out with "confidence", does he not? Does "confidence" justify his words do you? Your point is not valid, every NBA player is confident. Hell, even Milt Palacio is confident, but he knows better then saying he's the best at a certain position before proving s--t.</div>
Where does confidence come in? Saying a team is bad? Marbury was talking about himself, he wasn't talking about anyone else. At the time, it could be argued that Marbury was the best. Nash was doing his thing, but Marbury was still very much in contention.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">My comment was directed to Tribute saying that he's been known as a dirty player his whole career.

If Jason Kidd is dirty to you, I wonder what Bruce Bowen is. You are only bringing up specific situation related with Jason Kidd and your Knicks. Tribute says he's been that way his whole career, but you don't have the facts to prove it. JYD did a hard foul on Vince and stood above him as well, does that make him "a dirty player his whole career?"</div>

You're bringing up TWO incidents he's done (against the Knicks no less) and using those two points to defend that hes been "dirty his whole career". That doesn't make sense and doesn't prove anything.
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JYD put his hand over him to try and help him up. Vince Carter attempted to charge at him. You wanted some instances I gave you some. You can also add some off court stuff too.


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I was speaking as in scoring offensively. Kidd can not penetrate and finish like Marbury. He doesn't have the offensive tools to his arsenal like Marbury. TT will never reach his potential and Sweetney isn't a fastbreak type player. Marbury looks to score firs because usually the Knicks need his scoring to get back in games such aslast meeting and other games. I'm saying if Kidd had the offensive tools as Marbury, you don't know whether he would look to pass or score first. That Travis Best thing was a joke right?

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I was talking about him not having proven himself his whole career. Jason Kidd turned around the Nets who were a loterry team with Marbury (yes yes, I'm aware of the injuries) and lead them to the finals in 2002 and 2003. Marbury struggled in the East with Nets, he struggled in the West with the Suns and he's struggling in the East again with the Knicks. He's not a proven winner. Jason Kidd is. (No rings I know, but BOTH of them don't have it so in terms of playoff sucess, Kidd is way out in front.)</div>
If Kidd had to deal with injuries like Marbury who knows where'd the be. Marbury with the Suns took them to the playoffs and they gave the NBA champion Spurs a very tough time. He even bailed them out on the first game. Overall it was a pretty good season for them. Next year injuries again took a tole. I know he's had more success, but a loss is a loss as you said. And in this case a ring is a ring. You either have it or you don't.



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Sounds like my words are getting to your head

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I hope that means you'll do it

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I think you misunderstood me. I know the Knicks are bad, but I dont agree with Kidd saying they are a bad team.



<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">LOL. That's quite a plan there. With a bonehead GM like Isiah, I'm sure that will happen. What you just said astonishes me because EVERY team in the league could make a "plan" like that.
Oh, let's see, sure I know the Raptors are bad, but once they get thier lottery pick, trade Jalen Rose, get rid of Mo Pete, Lamond Murray and Milt Palacio, then we have something.

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Well the Raptors don't have a ton of expriring contracts and Isiah has brought pretty good players into the league. Haha, with a bonehead like Babcock, the Raptors might use their pick on another Araojo over Al Jefferson, JR Smith, Josh Smith, Iguodala, Telfair, and Jameer Nelson!

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Sign that you're giving up on this debate. This has nothing to do with popularity, we're talking about Jason Kidd saying the Knicks are bad, what does Knicks being popular have to do with it?
That's like me saying "No matter how good or bad the Sonics are, they'll never be as popular as the Lakers". So what if they're popular? They're losing, the whole point of an NBA season is to win games.</div>
Maybe Kidd said that because he knew that it's true? Perhaps my everlasting bitterness for the Nets know that this is true.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">O...kay. My "assesment" on your team was basically what everyone knows, from Raptor fans to Heat fans to even Knicks fans: Knicks suck. You say you dont need me giving assesments about the Knicks then you come and say that the Nets suck, which is quite funny, because they're the ones who have a legit chance of making the playoffs and your Knicks have a guarantee of being a loterry team. Yes, the Nets must really suck. For the record, this is a basketball board, I can and will be curious about every team, not just a certain one.</div>
So I guess you must think these Nets are elite witha stiffling below .500 record. Did you ever think about the fact that they both suck? They're chances are rapidly diminishing. They do suck they're not fighting for homecourt advantage. They're fighting for 8th spot and aren't even in the playoffs! Oh, is that right? Curious about every team? I wonder why you're only curious when they are being bashed?

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[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Henacy:</div><div class="quote_post">This debate lost all credablity when MJ18 said Kidd isnt talented offensively, you think the only way that you prove you offensive talents is by scoring the basketball. What about your ablity to run an offense, which is the offensive skill most needed by a point guard, what about your ablity to make other poeoples offensive skills better, that isnt having offesive talent? please....

And as far as Kidd's indivual talents on offense no he isnt the quickest guy at getting to the hoop like say a Stephon Marbury, but his ablity to position his body using his size against other point guards whether it be in the post area or around the free throw line area, Kidd still knows how to get his shot off against anyone. And also how to draw defenders into picking up fouls. Also last time I checked he was one of the most talented open court players in the league at getting to the hoop as well as finshing from the PG slot. And No he isnt a great outside shooter. But he is solid from the mid range area. And has a nack for making the long distance ones when they really court. So for me to see someone say Kidd isnt talented offensively blows my mind.</div>
I meant <u>INDIVIUALLY</u>. Kidd doesn't have the explosiveness, the finishing skills, range, accuracy etc. like Marbury. If he was as strong and possesed all of the offensive gifts as Marbury it could change his attitude. I already knew about that ability.

 

[WadeDynasty]

so what are you trying to prove mrj?
Admit it man, Knicks ARE the bad team and the WORSE team than the Nets. Would you rather have Amare or D-Wade say the knicks are just another bad team than have Kidd say it? It doesn't matter who says it, he only speaks the truth.

 

[j_a_d_e]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting WadeDynasty:</div><div class="quote_post">so what are you trying to prove mrj?
Admit it man, Knicks ARE the bad team and the WORSE team than the Nets. Would you rather have Amare or D-Wade say the knicks are just another bad team than have Kidd say it? It doesn't matter who says it, he only speaks the truth.</div>

true that...I don't see what's the big deal with what Jkidd said...It's just the plain and simple truth...