Knicks nix Rudy trade

[Rastapopoulos]

Not surprisingly: they'd give up Anthony Randolph.
Interestingly, it seems we'd prefer Indiana's pick to Randolph. Are we that desperate to make room for Patty Mills?

 

[RR7]

Depending on the protection on the pick, I might rather have the pick over Randolph. he is an intriguing prospect for sure, but I don't see tons of developmental minutes for him, behind Camby and Aldridge at PF, and then when he doesn't play, and start getting offers for his potential, people would just complain about him being another Jermaine O'Neal.

 

[Mediocre Man]

At least we aren't overvaluing Rudy

Randolph would be a steal for Rudy. I'm all for a pick, but WTF Cho?

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

The Knicks get screwed pretty bad in this deal and a no-brainer to turn down.

The Knicks probably asked around for what it would take to get a 1st from another team and Indiana asked for AR. I would love to get Turiaf from them and think it is more realistic.

 

[RR7]

At least we aren't overvaluing Rudy

Randolph would be a steal for Rudy. I'm all for a pick, but WTF Cho?

Uhm, it said the Knicks said no. How is that Cho's fault? Clearly, they didn't want to give up Randolph for Rudy, regardless of where Randolph is going.

 

[shamelessblazer]

Any way we could work out a three way with Atlanta where we got Crawford and Turiaf and sent out Pryz and Bayless to Atlanta and Rudy to New York?

It think both of those teams kind of would like bigs back is the only thing (because neither really have any, the knicks may be very reluctant to give up Turiaf, but I'd like to get him a lot). Maybe we throw in Pendergraph?

We'd be very balanced out...

Miller/Crawford
Roy/Matthews
Batum/Cunningham
Aldridge/Turiaf
Oden/Camby

with Johnson, Mills, Williams, and Babbit on the bench.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

From the article: "Because the Trail Blazers are insisting on receiving a first-round pick in return for Fernandez"

Well, according to the team we've turned down two teams offering us a first round pick. So what is going on??

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

That First round pick would be possibly a top 5 pick

Indiana is Horrid

Top 5 Pick > Randolph

 

[Draco]

That First round pick would be possibly a top 5 pick

Indiana is Horrid

Top 5 Pick > Randolph

I'd be shocked if we could get a top 5 pick for Rudy. Indy is probably offering a lottery protected pick.

 

[illmatic99]

I love Anthony Randolph, and probably would have chosen him over the pick.

Again, not surprising that NYK turned it down. Rudy for either AR or the Indy pick seems like a laughable offer.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Uhm, it said the Knicks said no. How is that Cho's fault? Clearly, they didn't want to give up Randolph for Rudy, regardless of where Randolph is going.

He is asking for too much

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I love Anthony Randolph, and probably would have chosen him over the pick.

Again, not surprising that NYK turned it down. Rudy for either AR or the Indy pick seems like a laughable offer.

Agreed.

Cho really needs to take what he can get and live with it. It does us no good to have an unhappy player like Rudy struggling for playing time and mucking up the rotation.

And here's a memo to Cho: Hey, Cho, sometimes we get better when we use the "addition by subtraction" method. Removing dead wood from a team and creating an open roster spot can be a way to ultimately make the team better.

 

[RoyToy]

Cho is less impressive by the day.

At least he has cool software.

 

[OSUBlazerfan]

Cho is less impressive by the day.

At least he has cool software.

The Epitome of Stupidity

 

[Pinwheel1]

He is asking for too much

He is asking for a first round pick. How is that too much? Because he doesn't want Boston's pick in the high 20's? Sounds like he wants the highest pick possible using a third team. Why should he rush?

 

[maxiep]

I like what Cho is doing. Right now, Rudy is just beginning to raise his value from its nadir of a month ago. It's because of his decent play with Espana. I'm sure the message has been sent to Rudy that we gave up $3MM for him and expect value in return; that we're not going to give him away just to make him happy.

Rudy isn't a big enough part of this team to be anything more than a minor annoyance. I say bring him in and let him play his value up. Clearly, last season he took Homer Simpson's advice to Bart, "Boy, you don't go on strike. You just do your job real half-assed." If he wants out, then he needs to put in some effort and raise his value. He's a hell of a player. When he shows it, we'll get more value. If not, then we haven't lost much.

Low risk with the prospect of a decent reward. It doesn't sound too bad to me.

 

[RoyToy]

The Epitome of Stupidity

Typical post from the guy that never adds anything to a topic. Keep going.

 

[RoyToy]

I like what Cho is doing. Right now, Rudy is just beginning to raise his value from its nadir of a month ago. It's because of his decent play with Espana. I'm sure the message has been sent to Rudy that we gave up $3MM for him and expect value in return; that we're not going to give him away just to make him happy.

Rudy isn't a big enough part of this team to be anything more than a minor annoyance. I say bring him in and let him play his value up. Clearly, last season he took Homer Simpson's advice to Bart, "Boy, you don't go on strike. You just do your job real half-assed." If he wants out, then he needs to put in some effort and raise his value. He's a hell of a player. When he shows it, we'll get more value. If not, then we haven't lost much.

Low risk with the prospect of a decent reward. It doesn't sound too bad to me.

I don't see how Rudy's value has increased playing for Spain. Means nothing.

Rudy's value isn't going to go up.

 

[Minstrel]

No wonder New York turned that down. Indiana gets a very nice deal, Portland gets a solid deal and New York gets shafted. I'm surprised it was structured as a three-way deal...I'd rather just have Randolph, so I don't know why Indiana needed to be involved. I'd reduce Cunningham to mop-up minutes and, in competitive games, play an 8-man rotation: Roy, Oden, Aldridge, Batum, Miller, Randolph, Camby, Bayless. Other players are there in case of injury or garbage time.

I wonder how close New York felt a Randolph-for-Rudy swap (as it would have been for them) is. I wouldn't mind adding in more to turn Rudy into Randolph.

 

[RoyToy]

The Blazers would sure be paying Matthews a lot of money to not play.

 

[Minstrel]

The Blazers would sure be paying Matthews a lot of money to not play.

Oh yeah, I forgot him. That said, it would still be converting a guard into a bigger player, so if anything it reduces some redundancy (unless you consider Cunningham an important player, which I don't).

 

[Blazer4ever]

Do you think the Pacers would offer the 1st-rounder for Rudy (Reggie) straight-up?

 

[Nikolokolus]

Do you think the Pacers would offer the 1st-rounder for Rudy (Reggie) straight-up?

No, because wing depth isn't their main concern, they're pretty desperate (too strong?) to add a quality power forward ... which Randolph is.

 

[Ed O]

And here's a memo to Cho: Hey, Cho, sometimes we get better when we use the "addition by subtraction" method. Removing dead wood from a team and creating an open roster spot can be a way to ultimately make the team better.

I disagree. It's not impossible that occasionally clearing a roster spot could be smart, but the vast majority of the time you're better off keeping a proven rotation player than opening a spot so you can sign someone off the street.

Ed O.

 

[e_blazer]

I can't quite figure out why some of you seem to be in such a hurry to dump Rudy for seemingly anything. Are we in need of low draft picks or has Paul Allen ever been unable to go out and buy one if we need it? Are we short of bench players? Can we expect to get anything more for him right now? I think the answer to all of those questions is no. There aren't many teams out there who are in need of Rudy right now. An injury or a need to make a deal to move another player near the deadline could change the equation later in the season. Cho should just sit back and wait for a good opportunity.

 

[Nikolokolus]

The funny thing is, I was saying trade Rudy as quickly as possible and for almost anything (a middle first round pick or so) before he started making trade demands because I figured he still had some value and the Blazers weren't operating from a position of total weakness. Now that he's gone public with his "trade me or waive me" demand, his value is as low as it can possible go. I guess I'd say it's better to hold onto him and see if he can't build up some of his value before the end of training camp or before the trade deadline when teams are much more motivated to make deals.

I get the feeling that if the Knicks are struggling and are barely holding on to playoff position by February they're going to soften their stance, especially if it becomes apparent that they don't have enough shooting or depth at guard. Something tells me this Rudy for Randolph deal is just in hibernation, with a chance to be revisited in five months or so.

Plus part of me really wants to see if Rudy is foolish enough to hold out and forfeit his salary.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

I disagree. It's not impossible that occasionally clearing a roster spot could be smart, but the vast majority of the time you're better off keeping a proven rotation player than opening a spot so you can sign someone off the street.

Ed O.

Well, birthday boy, here is my thinking.

With the signing of Matthews the team seems to be making it clear we're making a shift to defense as our top priority. This will easily cut back Rudy's playing time as well as his role one the team to merely a 'stand in the corner' shooter. He'll be unhappy and I think justifiably continue to demand a trade. That's not good for the team. I also think that when a team has too many players that can rightfully demand playing time that also creates problems. So get rid of the whole mess anyway you can.

As an example, did we get true "equal value" for Rasheed? No. For Zach? No. But we became a better "team" when we traded players that created problems. It's the same in this case. I hope the best for Rudy, but he has player out his welcome and is better moving on. If Cho can't, or won't, accommodate him, then cut his loose and let's all move forward. Sometimes a team has to take a small step back in order to take a larger step forward.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Well, birthday boy, here is my thinking.

With the signing of Matthews the team seems to be making it clear we're making a shift to defense as our top priority. This will easily cut back Rudy's playing time as well as his role one the team to merely a 'stand in the corner' shooter. He'll be unhappy and I think justifiably continue to demand a trade. That's not good for the team. I also think that when a team has too many players that can rightfully demand playing time that also creates problems. So get rid of the whole mess anyway you can.

As an example, did we get true "equal value" for Rasheed? No. For Zach? No. But we became a better "team" when we traded players that created problems. It's the same in this case. I hope the best for Rudy, but he has player out his welcome and is better moving on. If Cho can't, or won't, accommodate him, then cut his loose and let's all move forward. Sometimes a team has to take a small step back in order to take a larger step forward.

A better team? What?

 

[espn_hall_of_famer]

I disagree. It's not impossible that occasionally clearing a roster spot could be smart, but the vast majority of the time you're better off keeping a proven rotation player than opening a spot so you can sign someone off the street.

Ed O.

Agree 110%. Addition by subtraction implies there is something wrong subtracting from the value of the whole. Right now Rudy isn't passing around a bong or being the one guy at public events sitting and talking on his cell phone making everyone else think its OK to be bad, or running a dog fighting ring and getting these guys more addicted to gambling than playing for the love of the game. Hell, I don't even think Rudy sits in the locker room and talks to anyone since he barely speaks English. His being there is meaningless to the other players.

But having an incredibly active off-the-ball player who is an NBA record holder in 3-point shooting on a team with no shooters is a lot more valuable out there as a 6th man than just being dumped from the roster. So you better get something better than some 20-something pick for Rudy, because Paul Allen could just buy that if he wants it, so there isn't nearly the value there. Hold out until you get in the lottery or a solid player in return. Otherwise your team is still better with Rudy coming off the bench than Armon Johnson or Babbitt (or whoever would get those minutes).

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

A better team? What?

Yes, a better team. When you jettison unhappy or problem players or players that can't make those around them better you may not always get "equal value", but you can add players that make the team better. Basketball is a team sport. The better the team is, the better your chances of winning. It's a sports thing, ya know.