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lol @ Isiah defending his team. I'm quite confident he knew this was going to happen because he didn't like being showed up. Well, if your team had played better, maybe they wouldn't have been blown out in the first place.

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"If we're up 20 points, we're not going to play Stephon (Marbury) and Eddy (Curry)," Robinson said.

Of course not, because if the Knicks were up 20, Robinson would just honor his fallen opponent. Like when he botched that ESPY-campaign self-alley-oop and claimed humbly, "I won't be trying it again unless we're up by 20."

The good news is the Knicks aren't getting up 20 on anyone anytime soon.
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If Thomas wants to stop people from running up the score on him, then he should have built a better club. He shouldn't have wasted all that money on illogical signings, outrageous trades and heartless characters.
No, Thomas and his guys weren't the only ones in the wrong Saturday. The Nuggets have their own issues. But when it was over, at least they weren't crying, at least they weren't punking.
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Beautiful article.
 
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"From what they did, keeping their guys on the court, I knew a foul was going to come. It was a good, clean, hard foul, and after that things went down from there," Robinson said. "I've never seen a team up 20 keep their starters in. They wanted to embarrass us, and it was a slap in the face to us as a team and a franchise."
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Nate Robinson is officially an idiot. Oh, I knew he was an idiot before, but this just proves that he's even stupider than I thought.
 
Brawl rulings likely to come Monday

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">NEW YORK (AP) -- The NBA most likely will wait until Monday before ruling on penalties resulting from the brawl between the Nuggets and Knicks.

All 10 players on the court, including league scoring leader Carmelo Anthony, were ejected after the melee Saturday night at Madison Square Garden. The mayhem began when New York's Mardy Collins flagrantly fouled the Nuggets' J.R. Smith with 1:15 left in Denver's 123-100 victory.

Anthony faces an automatic suspension for throwing a punch, and Smith and New York's Nate Robinson will be penalized for their fight that spilled into the stands.

With so much footage to review and players, coaches and officials to interview, the league probably will need time to make its ruling.

"I don't expect a decision today," NBA spokesman Tim Frank said Sunday.

But it might well come Monday since both teams play that night. The league's policy has been to rule on any suspensions before the teams involved play their next game.</div>

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This is gonna hurt the nuggets far more than it hurts the Knicks. Its gonna hurt my fantasy team too! sucks!!!
 
rofl did you see the papers fly to the floor? no clue whose papers they were. but nate robinson is funny, man xP that guy's attitude is hilarious

in the middle of the raptors game they announced that the NBA won't be revealing any info on the suspensions til at least monday
 
<div class="quote_poster">Will637 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">
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HAHA! thats when the guy threw the papers at Nate. In that pic it looks like Carmelo is running fast away from nate.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I have to applaud the security at the Knicks game for keeping the crowd out of it. If you notice in the video, that's the first thing the authorities at the game try to do. Good job on their behalf.

About the actual fight though, I've lost a lot of respect for Carmelo Anthony. Typical "thug," sucker-punching a guy and then running away. This is probably the first physical conflict the guy's ever been in.</div>

Wouldn't necessarily applaud Garden Security, considering that at some point I would like to see someone besides upset NBA teammates or an upset NBA coach try to step in and break up an NBA fight.

And I also didn't realize that a typical "thug" sucker punches people and then runs. Carmelo was 100% dead in the wrong for his actions on Saturday night but again I wouldn't throw around that "thug" label so loosely.

Just my humble opinion.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Carter Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Hahaha, I found this pic on another site:

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LMAO, great find.
 
That guy got knocked out after he got punched by Melo. Hes the one that commited the flagrant foul he deserved to get punched. Obviously Melo backed away he didnt wanna hurt him after he was on the floor.
 
Wow, I read through like 8 straight pages and obviously I can't comment on every single person's post, but a few notes

- Mardy was wrong, but Isiah could have instructed him to do something like that. That "keeping the starters on the floor" is a dumb excuse. As Shiek pointed out, that play isn't really apart of Mardy's nature.
- Nate was escalated matters, but I don't think he meant it intentionally he was just trying to be there for his teammate
- Melo, which was already established, was a bitch.
- Jared Jeffries wasn't at fault for chasing him, IMO
- J.R. Smith had a right to be angry, but he should've taken the higher road.
 
<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Wow, I read through like 8 straight pages and obviously I can't comment on every single person's post, but a few notes

- Mardy was wrong, but Isiah could have instructed him to do something like that. That "keeping the starters on the floor" is a dumb excuse. As Shiek pointed out, that play isn't really apart of Mardy's nature.
- Nate was escalated matters, but I don't think he meant it intentionally he was just trying to be there for his teammate
- Melo, which was already established, was a bitch.
- Jared Jeffries wasn't at fault for chasing him, IMO
- J.R. Smith had a right to be angry, but he should've taken the higher road.</div>

I only read the first and last but that pretty much sums up my thoughts.
I think Nate and Melo are pure wastemans after seeing that.
Some of the players shouldn't get suspensions but remember players in the pistons/pacers brawl who got suspensions and didn't deserve it!
Pacers did ok when they lost most of there key players, can nuggets do the same? This is not basketball I wish these kids would grow up.
 
<div class="quote_poster">bronbron23 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I only read the first and last but that pretty much sums up my thoughts.
I think Nate and Melo are pure wastemans after seeing that.
Some of the players shouldn't get suspensions but remember players in the pistons/pacers brawl who got suspensions and didn't deserve it!
Pacers did ok when they lost most of there key players, can nuggets do the same? This is not basketball I wish these kids would grow up.</div>
Nuggets play in a competitive Western Conference. Their two leading scorers are gone at least 10 games. I don't think so.
 
<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Wow, I read through like 8 straight pages and obviously I can't comment on every single person's post, but a few notes

- Mardy was wrong, but Isiah could have instructed him to do something like that. That "keeping the starters on the floor" is a dumb excuse. As Shiek pointed out, that play isn't really apart of Mardy's nature.
- Nate was escalated matters, but I don't think he meant it intentionally he was just trying to be there for his teammate
- Melo, which was already established, was a bitch.
- Jared Jeffries wasn't at fault for chasing him, IMO
- J.R. Smith had a right to be angry, but he should've taken the higher road.</div>
I agree mostly. But, if you're going to let Robinson and Jeffries off the hook, because they were "sticking up for their teammates," then you can't get angry about the Melo punch. You can be annoyed that he'd run away after, but all 3 of those (Jeffries, not so much) should've followed your advice for Smith and "taken the high road."
 
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I agree mostly. But, if you're going to let Robinson and Jeffries off the hook, because they were "sticking up for their teammates," then you can't get angry about the Melo punch. You can be annoyed that he'd run away after, but all 3 of those (Jeffries, not so much) should've followed your advice for Smith and "taken the high road."</div>
I wasn't justifying Nate's actions; I just thought people thought he purposefully tried to escalate matters trying to be "tough", when he was just trying to be there for Mardy. Nate definitely isn't faultless in the matter. Melo's punch was just random. He waited until everything calmed down and caught Mardy offguard then proceeded to backpeddal pretty fast. Jeffries was going to let him have it, something a good teammate should have done, IMO.
 
<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">
- Mardy was wrong, but Isiah could have instructed him to do something like that. That "keeping the starters on the floor" is a dumb excuse. As Shiek pointed out, that play isn't really apart of Mardy's nature.
- Nate was escalated matters, but I don't think he meant it intentionally he was just trying to be there for his teammate
- Melo, which was already established, was a bitch.
- Jared Jeffries wasn't at fault for chasing him, IMO
- J.R. Smith had a right to be angry, but he should've taken the higher road.</div>

I pretty much agree with all that, but i think it's a bit harsh to expect him not to react like he did.

He was obviously wrong to do it, but if i'd been fouled like that and then had Nate carrying on, i'd tackle him too.

Basically, Nate's actions were unnecessary, Carmelo's were both unnecessary and cowardly, JR's actions were unnecessary but not unexpected given what happened to him, Jeffries did nothing wrong at all.

<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">But, if you're going to let Robinson and Jeffries off the hook, because they were "sticking up for their teammates," then you can't get angry about the Melo punch. </div>

How is suckerpunching a guy being held and then running considered "sticking up for your teammate"?

I don't excuse Nate at all, Jeffries was chasing a coward who took a cheapshot at a teammate, whereas Carmelo waited until it was dying down before launching a punch and running.

There was no teammate in danger, no one he needed to protect, he simply saw an opportunity for a cheapshot and couldn't help himself.

<div class="quote_poster">NTC187 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I dont know why you're all calling Melo a coward and the like, this isnt the UFC, there are no rules in a fight, anything goes, anything is legal. Melo made a smart move, throw a punch and get the hell out of there. While I'd prefer to see him go toe to toe with someone "like a man", you cant hold him at fault for what he did.</div>

No, smart would have been not getting involved.

You don't honestly think he ran because he was worried about a suspension, surely.
He ran because he's a coward who was scared.
Simple.

<div class="quote_poster">Locke Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know if this has been discussed and I'm too lazy to go back through 10 pages of the thread, but does anyone else think George Karl is at fault? The Knicks were up 19 with a minute to go, yet Carmelo, JR Smith and Andre Miller were all in the game? When this is at MSG, no less. It just seems like Karl was rubbing it in, and JR Smith's showboating is definitely not professional. It's reasonable, then, in that context, why the Knicks were frustrated. You're getting run off you're gym floor in a game that's already over, and the other team's best players are making flashy plays against your backups.</div>

Denver do that often though.

Last week they had Carmelo, Miller and Smith on court against Miami's Barron, Hite and Quinn at the end of the game which they won by 16.

This happened knowing they had to go to Dallas the following night.

It irritates me greatly, so it was nice to see a team refuse to let Denver try their usual tricks.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Will637 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">
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In the words of Scooby Doo " RarRelo's a Russy!!!! RUSSY RUSSY RUUUUUUUSY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
 
<div class="quote_poster">Locke Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I don't know if this has been discussed and I'm too lazy to go back through 10 pages of the thread, but does anyone else think George Karl is at fault? The Knicks were up 19 with a minute to go, yet Carmelo, JR Smith and Andre Miller were all in the game? When this is at MSG, no less. It just seems like Karl was rubbing it in, and JR Smith's showboating is definitely not professional. It's reasonable, then, in that context, why the Knicks were frustrated. You're getting run off you're gym floor in a game that's already over, and the other team's best players are making flashy plays against your backups.</div>

Denver do that often though.

Last week they had Carmelo, Miller and Smith on court against Miami's Barron, Hite and Quinn at the end of the game which they won by 16.

This happened knowing they had to go to Dallas the following night.

It irritates me greatly, so it was nice to see a team refuse to let Denver try their usual tricks.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Jerry West Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">No, smart would have been not getting involved.

You don't honestly think he ran because he was worried about a suspension, surely.
He ran because he's a coward who was scared.</div>

You're right, he should'nt have gotten ivolved, that would've been the smart thing to do, but he did get involved, so lets talk about that.

We dont know why he ran back like that, maybe he was getting back into the open court to get into good position to continue the fight? Maybe he realised what he did was stupid and tried to get out of there before making his suspension any worse? Maybe he was scared? The only person who knows is Carmelo Anthony. Though I highly doubt Melo would be afraid of the likes of a little punk like Nate Robinson.

George Karl wasnt the one at fault here, so what he kept his starters in with a minute to go and they were up by 19? As Dan Wetzel said in that article I posted, did Isiah Thomas expect mercy or somthing? This isnt Playschool, this is the NBA, you play to win no matter the cost. Isiah Thomas is a weak coach, admitting they had given up at that stage, you should'nt give up until the final siren goes, if I was the Knicks owner, I would've fired his ass straight after the game. Didnt he learn anything from T-Mac? The game isnt over until the final siren goes.
 
Someones post on another website:
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">i dont see why people thinkin Melo should have stood his ground?

the target had been destroyed, he had visual confirmation....the mission was accomplished so he headed back to base :lol

realtalk though you just gonna stand there and get beat by 5 dudes? (nh) or are you gonna move?</div>
lol, I agree....
 
<div class="quote_poster">Air Fresh Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Someones post on another website:

lol, I agree....</div>
He should have never hit Mardy, who was obviously off his guard and start running. And the only one going after Melo was Jeffries and Nate. It was a bitch move by Melo to hit a player who wasn't expecting it after the confrontation was settled. Dude back peddaled like he was preventing a fast break or something. The only street cred he gets for running like that is with soccer moms.
 
<div class="quote_poster">AllNet Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Anybody feel like dancing?

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Jeffries is getting freaky wit Najera there...
 
<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">He should have never hit Mardy, who was obviously off his guard and start running. And the only one going after Melo was Jeffries and Nate. It was a bitch move by Melo to hit a player who wasn't expecting it after the confrontation was settled. Dude back peddaled like he was preventing a fast break or something. The only street cred he gets for running like that is with soccer moms.</div>
THink about it - if you're Carmelo, if you've made it to the NBA, you're making millions, you have so much opportunities to do stuff with your life - anything, and you're actually concerned about street cred and what a few scumbags that you hang out with think about whether you got embarrassed on a basketball court, that is pretty sad.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting MrJ:</div><div class="quote_post">I wasn't justifying Nate's actions; I just thought people thought he purposefully tried to escalate matters trying to be "tough", when he was just trying to be there for Mardy. Nate definitely isn't faultless in the matter. Melo's punch was just random. He waited until everything calmed down and caught Mardy offguard then proceeded to backpeddal pretty fast. Jeffries was going to let him have it, something a good teammate should have done, IMO.</div>
Well he did escalate matters. In the video, it looks like he originally came in the middle to seperate the two and make sure Mardy Collins didn't get hit or anything. Nothing wrong with that. But then, when Smith is getting pulled back and there's some space between his and Collins, Nate throws up his fist and starts yelling at him. That's just as random as the Melo punch. The results may have been different, but both did exactly the same thing: stupid actions that escalated the fight even further, just as it was starting to calm down.


<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Jerry West:</div><div class="quote_post">How is suckerpunching a guy being held and then running considered "sticking up for your teammate"?

I don't excuse Nate at all, Jeffries was chasing a coward who took a cheapshot at a teammate, whereas Carmelo waited until it was dying down before launching a punch and running.

There was no teammate in danger, no one he needed to protect, he simply saw an opportunity for a cheapshot and couldn't help himself.</div>
I didn't mean that literally and I don't believe it, either. It was a hypothetical statement that I was using to argue against MrJ's semi-defense of Nate Robinson. Both of them did similar things (acts of aggression that escalated the fight, just as it started to calm down), so if you're going to say that one was "sticking up for a teammate" then you have to apply it to both. IMO, both of them should be held accountable.
 
<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">He should have never hit Mardy, who was obviously off his guard and start running. And the only one going after Melo was Jeffries and Nate. It was a bitch move by Melo to hit a player who wasn't expecting it after the confrontation was settled. Dude back peddaled like he was preventing a fast break or something. The only street cred he gets for running like that is with soccer moms.</div>
Yeah your right, although I do believe Mardy deserved that based on his flagrant foul.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Air Fresh Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Someones post on another website:

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">i dont see why people thinkin Melo should have stood his ground?

the target had been destroyed, he had visual confirmation....the mission was accomplished so he headed back to base :lol

realtalk though you just gonna stand there and get beat by 5 dudes? (nh) or are you gonna move?</div>

lol, I agree....</div>

Me too, thats basically what I was trying to say.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Well he did escalate matters. In the video, it looks like he originally came in the middle to seperate the two and make sure Mardy Collins didn't get hit or anything. Nothing wrong with that. But then, when Smith is getting pulled back and there's some space between his and Collins, Nate throws up his fist and starts yelling at him. That's just as random as the Melo punch. The results may have been different, but both did exactly the same thing: stupid actions that escalated the fight even further, just as it was starting to calm down.</div>
Smith said something to Nate. I'm not exactly sure what it was, but seeing how infuriated he was it could have easily been threats or something. That's just speculating, but Nate was definitely provoked by something Smith said, which is why he put up his fists. Melo actually hit Collins, which is totally different from simply putting your fists up. Both did stupid things, but the extent of the stupidity is what makes the situation different.
 
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