Knicks Trade Francis, Frye, 2008 Second Rounder for Randolph, Jones, Dickau, Nichols

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If true the blazers front court is going to be solid in years to come.
 
Imagine the interior defense with Randolph and Curry.

Pass on this deal, especially since Zach is due over $60 million in the next 4 years.
 
09:15 PM: RUMOR: The Knicks have agreed in principle to acquire Zach Randolph, Dan Dickau and Fred Jones from the Blazers for Channing Frye and Steve Francis.
Zach Randolph $13,333,333 $14,666,666 $16,000,000 $17,333,333. For NO D.
 
Thank you Isiah Thomas

Signed,
All LA Laker fans!
 
Wilson Chandler....I have no comments!....Rudy Fernandez was still there omg....
 
I really like this trade.
Let?s look at it at this way.

We get rid of francis who didn?t help last season and has an ugly contract.
We get a really good offensive post player in Randolph who gets 10 rebounds a game (a lot more than Frye)

Defense hasn?t change because francis and Frye didn?t play good defense too.

So... I really love this trade.
 
<div class="quote_poster">LBJ2006MVP Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Wilson Chandler....I have no comments!....Rudy Fernandez was still there omg....</div>
Normally I would argue, but Isiah has a good track record.

We all hated the Balkman pick, but he proved us all wrong. Balkman was an excellent pick and he outplayed some players in the lottery. He was actually more efficient than Adam Morrison. Balkman is a much better fit than Marcus Williams would be for us.

Wilson Chandler, welcome to New York.
 
<div class="quote_poster">LBJ2006MVP Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">so, is Lee going to play SF now?</div>
It's uncertain. I honestly don't know if Lee is going to be on the Knicks now.
 
Knicks should trade Curry. I would take Randolph-Lee over Curry-Randolph.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Eclipse Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Knicks should trade Curry. I would take Randolph-Lee over Curry-Randolph.</div>
Why trade Curry? He's a 20-point center who just ranked 1st in points in the paint and is top 5 in free throw attempts last season. I would couple Randolph and Curry to form one of the best offensive post duos in the league. I think Z-Bo compliments Curry well. He can shoot (and has good range for a big) and rebound well. The only big problem is defense and that huge contract. But he averaged 24/10 last season so he definitely worked for his price tag. We also got Fred Jones and Dickau who are expiring this year. They are not big, but they they are players nonetheless. It's definitely an interesting trade when you really look at it. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it works out for both teams.

Also, good luck to Channing Frye and Steve Francis (if they don't buy him out) in Portland.
 
I think this is a very good move for the Knicks. True their post defence hasn't improved much but I do think its improved..Frye wasn't much in the paint and he got bullied around on the boards. At least this way Randolph and Curry will collectively take up 1/2 the paint with sheer mass and they can pretty much bully any team in the east down low. I think this is a really, really good move.
 
<div class="quote_poster">marcelonbraga Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I really like this trade.
Let?s look at it at this way.

We get rid of francis who didn?t help last season and has an ugly contract.
We get a really good offensive post player in Randolph who gets 10 rebounds a game (a lot more than Frye)

Defense hasn?t change because francis and Frye didn?t play good defense too.

So... I really love this trade.</div>

If you think Francis' contract is ugly, then what is ZR's contract? Knicks trade a bad contract for a worse contract. The defense does change because ZR will get major minutes at a front court position that already has Eddy Curry's lacking defense in play right next to him. Teams are going to be able to go inside all day.

I don't get this trade from either end, I hope they don't expect Franchise to be the PG to get Oden the ball and what do they expect to do with Frye? The Knicks just got the fattest frontcourt in all the league (it will bring in a Kripsy Kreme sponsorship at least) don't improve their frontcourt D but at least they get more scoring, right? Well I said before that they needed to get rid of either Marbury/Francis but I'm not sure if getting ZR exactly fixes that problem.
 
<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Why trade Curry? He's a 20-point center who just ranked 1st in points in the paint and is top 5 in free throw attempts last season. I would couple Randolph and Curry to form one of the best offensive post duos in the league. I think Z-Bo compliments Curry well. He can shoot (and has good range for a big) and rebound well. The only big problem is defense and that huge contract. But he averaged 24/10 last season so he definitely worked for his price tag. We also got Fred Jones and Dickau who are expiring this year. They are not big, but they they are players nonetheless. It's definitely an interesting trade when you really look at it. I guess we'll have to wait and see how it works out for both teams.

Also, good luck to Channing Frye and Steve Francis (if they don't buy him out) in Portland.</div>
I don't think Randolph and Curry could realistically work well, they're such overlapping players. They have the exact same impact on both sides; both need the ball to be effective, neither are great passers, and both score on the low block. This is probably the worst person to pair up with Eddy, as you'll need a weakside shotblocker, and Randolph gets 0.2 blocks per game if I remember correctly. Both are poor post defenders, and the only way to really help Eddy defensively is to put a shot blocker behind him. While the fact he has range may help Eddy, Zach can't rely on his jumpshot to put up 24 ppg with a good percentage. Not to mention this is eating up Lee's minutes.
 
<div class="quote_poster">sunsfan1357 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">If you think Francis' contract is ugly, then what is ZR's contract? Knicks trade a bad contract for a worse contract. The defense does change because ZR will get major minutes at a front court position that already has Eddy Curry's lacking defense in play right next to him. Teams are going to be able to go inside all day.

I don't get this trade from either end, I hope they don't expect Franchise to be the PG to get Oden the ball and what do they expect to do with Frye? The Knicks just got the fattest frontcourt in all the league (it will bring in a Kripsy Kreme sponsorship at least) don't improve their frontcourt D but at least they get more scoring, right? Well I said before that they needed to get rid of either Marbury/Francis but I'm not sure if getting ZR exactly fixes that problem.</div>

Portland is going to buy out Steve Francis and let him become a free agent.
 
I think this can either be a great move, or end up hurting the Knicks more than it helps them. Randolph was unable to stay out of trouble in a smaller city, in Portland. How the heck is he going to handle playing in a city like New York? I'm more concerned about his off the court conduct more than what he is going to bring to the team on it.

I think the combo of Zach and Curry offensively will open things up for the Knicks shooters, guys like Richardson and Marbury are going to have career years. At the same time, you have to be worried about their defensive short comings. Zach will get you 20 and 10 on a nightly basis but give up about 30 on the defensive end, same with Curry. The Knicks are going to have to score 96-100+ points a game in order to win.

Talent wise I think the Knicks got the better of the Blazers in this deal. Portland was just trying to get Zach out of town to change the persona of the team. They certainly are no longer considered the jail Blazers. All they have to do now is trade Darius Miles and they are set.
 
<div class="quote_poster">shapecity Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Portland is going to buy out Steve Francis and let him become a free agent.</div>

Yea I just heard that....so that makes me think even more...Portland couldn't get even more value for Randolph than Channing Frye, Dikau, Jones, and a contract they're going to buy out anyway?
 
Finally some thing good for the Knicks fan. They got rid of Stevie Franchise and his contract. And they get a big time forward in Randolph. It was an equal trade for both teams, but I think Knicks got more out of it just seeing how happy Knicks were.
 
I just think the Blazers wanted to get rid of Randolph's contract, his bad history with team and let Oden/Aldridge develop. The Blazers are planning to buy out Francis' contract to make him a free agent so he's not even in their plans.
 
I think despite what most people are saying Randolph and Curry can work, imagine you're an NBA coach and you have to face NYK who have Randolph and Currry, yeh they're not great defensively but look at what they can do on offense.
 
For Portland, the zbo for Francis deal is because they need to clear out enough cap space for the future.. they have a bunch of picks who will need new contracts in successive years

plus obviously zbo is the odd man out with their 2 young bigs.. and taking a gamble on Francis while picking up Frye (a good piece) doesnt seem like too bad a deal
 
Here's the official deal. The Knicks also get Demetris Nichols and Portland receives a 2008 second rounder from us:

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During Thursday night's NBA Draft at the WaMu Theater at Madison Garden, the Knicks announced that they had acquired forward Zach Randolph, guards Fred Jones and Dan Dickau and second-round draft pick Demetris Nichols, the 53rd overall player selected on Thursday, from the Portland Trail Blazers in exchange for Steve Francis, Channing Frye and a second-round pick in 2008.

Randolph, a five-year NBA veteran, averaged 23.6 points and 10.1 rebounds per game with Portland last season, boosting his scoring average by more than five points and his rebounding average by two boards over the previous season. At age 25, the 6-9, 258-pound Indiana native who played one season at Michigan State, is coming off a career year that included three 40-point games and 15 games with 30 or more points.

Jones, 28, will be joining his fourth team in two seasons, following a Feb. 22, 2007, deal that saw him leave Toronto in exchange for Juan Dixon. Prior to signing with Toronto for the 2006-07 season, Jones had played for the Indiana Pacers. The 6-2, 220-pound shooting guard has completed five NBA seasons. He started 15 games and averaged 6.5 points per game in 2006-07, and he has a career 7.5 PPG for his career.

Dickau, a 6-0, 181-pound point guard, gained fame as a college player at Gonzaga, where he led the Zags to two consecutive NCAA Tournament appearances, including a Sweet 16 berth in 2002. Originally drafted by Sacramento with the 28th overall pick in 2002, the 28-year-old came home to his native Portland in a trade with Boston one year ago.

Coming off the bench, Dickau averaged 3.3 points per game and 1.4 assists per game in 2006-07. Two years earlier, when he started 46 games in a season split between Dallas and New Orleans, Dickau averaged a career-high 12.5 points per game.

Nichols, 22, played the past four seasons at Syracuse, where he averaged a Big East-leading 18.9 points per game as a senior. The 6-foot-8, 216-pound forward was born in Boston and attended St. Andrew's High School in Barrington, R.I., before entering Syracuse in 2003. </div>
http://www.nba.com/knicks/news/drafttrade_070628.html
 
Apparently a prominent Portland player asked for him to be traded.

I personally don't see the point of bringing in a duplicate of Eddy Curry to play the 4-spot. Sure, they'll be a headache in the low post, but they'll give up just as many, if not more, points on the other side of the court (can you imagine that duo trying to guard Bosh/Bargnani?). And, of course, this makes it even easier for opposing guards to penetrate against the Knicks. Once again, Isiah ruins what could be a good draft with another moronic trade/signing.
 
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