Knicks Trade Francis, Frye, 2008 Second Rounder for Randolph, Jones, Dickau, Nichols

[N4S]

Honestly dont see the Knicks in the playoffs with this move.

Eddy Curry has never been a defensive minded player and Zach sure as hell isnt.

Though getting him for the players given up isnt bad but I dont see it helping much.

Celts, Knicks, and 6ers all probably not that much better this upcoming year.

 

[N4S]

<div class="quote_poster">bronbron23 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think despite what most people are saying Randolph and Curry can work, imagine you're an NBA coach and you have to face NYK who have Randolph and Currry, yeh they're not great defensively but look at what they can do on offense.</div>

Defense wins championships.

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Ed!:</div><div class="quote_post">I don't think Randolph and Curry could realistically work well, they're such overlapping players. They have the exact same impact on both sides; both need the ball to be effective, neither are great passers, and both score on the low block. This is probably the worst person to pair up with Eddy, as you'll need a weakside shotblocker, and Randolph gets 0.2 blocks per game if I remember correctly. Both are poor post defenders, and the only way to really help Eddy defensively is to put a shot blocker behind him. While the fact he has range may help Eddy, Zach can't rely on his jumpshot to put up 24 ppg with a good percentage. Not to mention this is eating up Lee's minutes.</div>
First, let’s take a look on offense. Eddy Curry and Zach Randolph, off the top of my head, will be the best post-scoring duo in the entire NBA. Both are 20-point scorers who draw double teams and get to the free throw line. Randolph actually shoots 82% from the line, too. Opposing teams will only get into the penalty earlier, giving us even more free throw attempts.

With both players on the floor, it will be impossible to double anyone on the court. A zone defense won’t really be effective either since Randolph can shoot and our guards can easily penetrate through the gaps of the zone. I don’t see their games overlapping when Randolph is such a versatile scorer—he can shoot out to 20 feet. People also call him selfish at times, but I think when you’re the best scorer on a team that averages 94 PPG (second worst in the league), it is your job to be ball dominant. In the rebounding department, I see the Knicks easily being the best in the league. Last year they were a top 5 rebounding team (2nd in outrebounding their opponents) so adding another player who averages 10 RPG will only make us better.

Defensively, we will have a problem. But our defense won’t be any worse than last year, it will just stay the same. Channing Frye and Steve Francis are equally as bad on defense as Randolph. Eddy Curry is supposed to be making his defense a #1 priority this season. If he puts the same amount of effort in his post moves that he will on defense, than our interior should be much better. But even if he doesn’t, our offense will more than outweigh our defense, or lack thereof.

 

[Mr. J]

Chutney, NTC, I got to go to Brooklyn now, so I'll respond later.

 

[J_Ray]

The real question in this trade is, will Curry and Randolph score more points that they'll give up?

 

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Chutney:</div><div class="quote_post">I personally don't see the point of bringing in a duplicate of Eddy Curry to play the 4-spot. Sure, they'll be a headache in the low post, but they'll give up just as many, if not more, points on the other side of the court (can you imagine that duo trying to guard Bosh/Bargnani?). And, of course, this makes it even easier for opposing guards to penetrate against the Knicks. Once again, Isiah ruins what could be a good draft with another moronic trade/signing.</div>
Randolph is not a duplicate of Curry. Sure, he is a low post scorer, but he?s a lefty with great range, and averages 10 rebounds per contest, which is a great compliment to Curry. I don?t know why everyone is stressing the defense so much; Channing Frye and Steve Francis were both bad defenders also. So, basically the Knicks gave up two defensive liabilities for one defensive liability. Our defense should be about the same. This trade definitely isn?t moronic. The least you can say is it?s interesting.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting NTC:</div><div class="quote_post">Honestly dont see the Knicks in the playoffs with this move.

Eddy Curry has never been a defensive minded player and Zach sure as hell isnt.

Though getting him for the players given up isnt bad but I dont see it helping much.

Celts, Knicks, and 6ers all probably not that much better this upcoming year.</div>
Well, before the injuries to Q, Lee, and Crawford, the Knicks were in a good position to take anywhere from the sixth to eighth seed. If everyone can stay healthy, I don?t see why the Knicks can?t take one of those seeds next year.

The defense, like I said earlier, should remain the same because the Knicks traded to defensive liabilities for one. The Celtics should be better (I don?t know about the 76ers) and the Knicks, if they stay healthy, should be better.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Blur:</div><div class="quote_post">I think this can either be a great move, or end up hurting the Knicks more than it helps them. Randolph was unable to stay out of trouble in a smaller city, in Portland. How the heck is he going to handle playing in a city like New York? I'm more concerned about his off the court conduct more than what he is going to bring to the team on it.</div>
You?re right, but Zach has really grown up, especially this past season. I think acquiring Zach is a worthwhile risk. I remember a few years back the Knicks were criticized for acquiring Sprewell, who also had a troubled past. There was actually a time last season when Zach stepped up as a leader and called a team meeting on his own. Not that it makes him spectacular or anything, but it just shows he?s growing up as a person and player.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I think the combo of Zach and Curry offensively will open things up for the Knicks shooters, guys like Richardson and Marbury are going to have career years. At the same time, you have to be worried about their defensive short comings. Zach will get you 20 and 10 on a nightly basis but give up about 30 on the defensive end, same with Curry. The Knicks are going to have to score 96-100+ points a game in order to win.</div>
I doubt the defense is that bad, especially since Channing Frye and Steve Francis were also bad defenders, too. I?ve also been talking to some Portland fans and they said his defense has improved (still bad) but I don?t think he and Curry will give up a combined 60 points to the opposition. Both know what they have to work on this summer and hopefully they work on it. Contrary, to what some think, Randolph is actually a very hard worker. I mean, is it even possible to average 24/10 (including three 40-point games and fifteen 30+ point games) without investing hours on your game?

 

[Buckets]

I for one really like this trade, I think front line with these two should do real good in the eastern conference. Instead of looking at the defensive aspect look at what they can do on offense, Z-Bo is a decent rebounder and Eddy manages to get 7 or 8 a game if Im not mistaken, both these guys can score without a doubt, and I think Eddy's game should really go to the next level with less double teams because of Z-Bo on the other block. I really cant wait to see the knicks next season with this frontcourt, it should be something to watch out for. I think its a High Risk, High Reward situation. It will either work out real good, or real bad.

 

[LBJ2006MVP]

Now have to trade D-Lee he won't improve or progress when Z-bo and Fat Albert will be there at the same time. Possibly trade Jeffries,Lee,Fred Jones, Dick... for Richard Jefferson/AK47?

 

[Run BJM]

I like Curry and Z-Bo individually but I don't know how they'll do playing alongside each other. They're both guys who you'd like to pair with a athletic, defensive minded big man to cover their ass on defense and do the dirty work. If they can co-exist then that frontline would dominate the east offensively, and lucky for them not many teams in the east can take advantage of their horrible defense, but like with all Isiah moves there's huge potential for this trade not working out.

I do like that Randolph has some outside game to open the floor a bit for Curry and that the guy is a horse on the glass unlike Curry, but if it doesn't work out it would be tough to move Randolph somewhere else.

The only thing thats guaranteed is that this is the most rotund frontline in the league and the Knicks will need to set up a 24 hour Dunkin Donuts in the practice facility to make sure that theres enough for the both of them.

 

[NTC]

<div class="quote_poster">sunsfan1357 Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Yea I just heard that....so that makes me think even more...Portland couldn't get even more value for Randolph than Channing Frye, Dikau, Jones, and a contract they're going to buy out anyway?</div>

It was a smart move for Portland IMO, they're only just over the cap right now with Francis' contract, and once it comes off the books ($17,000,000) they'll have space to pay Oden and co.

Raef LaFrentz contract comes off the books at the same time, so theres $29,000,000 they'll free up in 2009/2010.

 

[GatorsowntheNCAA]

So any word on what this does to David Lee? David Lee and Zach Randolph would be one of the best rebounding F tandems(Assuming Lee moves to SF). I really hope Lee gets traded to a better situation(and helps the Knicks out too), as much as I love David Lee I just can't find myself rooting for the Knicks. Cutting his PT would be bad for the Knicks organization because he is one of the fan favorites and is the type of player that the Knicks need to build around(character wise).

 

[LBJ2006MVP]

How about we trade Curry,Jones,nate,Lee for Kobe and Radmanovich?

 

[bronbron23]

<div class="quote_poster">N4S Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Defense wins championships.</div>

Well we'll see eh