Knicks trade

[1 Eye Jack]

First off I do not want to trade Dame but if we can’t make some drastic improvements and Dame was open to it the 4 picks from them plus young player would be awfully enticing. At some point if we can’t put enough around him might be best to give him an out because ri doubt he request one

 

[Mr. Robot]

 

[Scalma]

No

 

[1 Eye Jack]

At some point if you can’t put enough talent around then he deserves better and the franchise would have 4 1st rounders so it works for both parties. Again Dame is my favorite player but......

 

[Strenuus]

At some point if you can’t put enough talent around then he deserves better and the franchise would have 4 1st rounders so it works for both parties. Again Dame is my favorite player but......

Deserves better and new York Knicks doesn't exactly go together.

 

[hoopsjock]

First off I do not want to trade Dame but if we can’t make some drastic improvements and Dame was open to it the 4 picks from them plus young player would be awfully enticing. At some point if we can’t put enough around him might be best to give him an out because ri doubt he request one

How is 4 late 1sts enticing?

 

[HolyBackboard]

The Knicks could offer their entire franchise PLUS those four picks and I'd still laugh them off the phone.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

How is 4 late 1sts enticing?

Agree with that but the concept is still there

 

[tester551]

How about this.... We'll offer them a lower version of Dame in CJ. We'll even knock the price down a bit.

CJ -> Knicks 1st (~20), Dallas 1st (~22), & Large TPE

That is even a bit of a discount compared to what we paid for RoCo (#17 & ~#21)

 

[kjironman1]

If Damian Lillard goes to New York a bunch of other players will want to go there also and the 4 Picks would be very late picks. No?

 

[kjironman1]

How is 4 late 1sts enticing?

Sorry. I read this after my post. Agree.

 

[kjironman1]

One thing I think would happen for Dame is he would get credit for building a great team and might even get an MVP trophy?

 

[wizenheimer]

One thing I think would happen for Dame is he would get credit for building a great team and might even get an MVP trophy?

how about this alternative: Portland hire's a GM that can build a great team around Dame and win him a ring. The one they have has had 9 years and hasn't come close

 

[kjironman1]

how about this alternative: Portland hire's a GM that can build a great team around Dame and win him a ring. The one they have has had 9 years and hasn't come close

You do understand the difference between Madison Square Garden and the Moda Center right? A GM in Portland needs to work a little differently than in New York.
Now as far as getting a better GM than Neil Olshey? I'm all for it.

Side Note- I wonder what kind of team Neil Olshey could build in New York?

 

[hoopsjock]

How about this.... We'll offer them a lower version of Dame in CJ. We'll even knock the price down a bit.

CJ -> Knicks 1st (~20), Dallas 1st (~22), & Large TPE

That is even a bit of a discount compared to what we paid for RoCo (#17 & ~#21)

CJ to the Knicks in a 3 team trade does make sense where those picks and a young player or two goes to the new team and someone from that team comes back to us. Having the big TPE is nice but it limits the amount coming back in a trade to the TPE whereas if it's in the same trade as CJ we can go 25% over that number.

 

[KSF-ERIC]

At some point if you can’t put enough talent around then he deserves better and the franchise would have 4 1st rounders so it works for both parties. Again Dame is my favorite player but......

It would work out for the Knicks.

 

[tester551]

CJ to the Knicks in a 3 team trade does make sense where those picks and a young player or two goes to the new team and someone from that team comes back to us. Having the big TPE is nice but it limits the amount coming back in a trade to the TPE whereas if it's in the same trade as CJ we can go 25% over that number.

Portland will be well into the tax. There's no way that the owners will be willing to bring more salary back than CJ going out

 

[LayneStaley]

I might do it for Quickley, Julius, and 3 firsts. They wouldn’t so no trade.

 

[LayneStaley]

Id counter with 2 firsts and a player for CJ

 

[hoopsjock]

Portland will be well into the tax. There's no way that the owners will be willing to bring more salary back than CJ going out

They might have just been lying but Olshey has said multiple times they know they are going to be in the tax next year which is why they're staying under this year.

 

[tester551]

They might have just been lying but Olshey has said multiple times they know they are going to be in the tax next year which is why they're staying under this year.

Yes, there's almost no realistic way for them to avoid the tax next year.

My point stands though. If CJ is traded, there's no way that they are going deeper into the tax - so getting a large TPE would be just as beneficial (if not more) to Portland than having the ability to take back someone with 1.25x his salary

 

[PtldPlatypus]

CJ to the Knicks is what the plan should be this summer, should have been last summer (probably could've had Randle), and maybe should've been even earlier than that.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Yes, there's almost no realistic way for them to avoid the tax next year.

My point stands though. If CJ is traded, there's no way that they are going deeper into the tax - so getting a large TPE would be just as beneficial (if not more) to Portland than having the ability to take back someone with 1.25x his salary

i know very little about the cba rules.
If we avoid the tax this year, can we go all out aNd sign whoever we can next year to go all in for a ring and then deal with the fallout the next offseason?

 

[Minstrel]

i know very little about the cba rules.
If we avoid the tax this year, can we go all out aNd sign whoever we can next year to go all in for a ring and then deal with the fallout the next offseason?

No, there's still a salary cap. The luxury tax exists to reign in all the ways you can exceed the salary cap (primarily Bird rights players)--but the cap still prevents you from simply signing free agents if you're at or above it (aside from specific exceptions like the mid-level exception or the bi-annual exception).

 

[wizenheimer]

i know very little about the cba rules.
If we avoid the tax this year, can we go all out aNd sign whoever we can next year to go all in for a ring and then deal with the fallout the next offseason?

like Minstrel said, there are still the limitations of the salary cap. Portland will likely only have the tax-MLE to use next season, and that's significantly less than the full-MLE

and there will be fallout in 2022

Portland is staying below the tax line this season so they would not have to pay repeater tax next season. The CBA trigger is having been a taxpayer in any 3 of 4 previous seasons. The previous two seasons Portland was a taxpayer. But if Portland is a taxpayer next season, then they'd be in the repeater tax in 2022-23 if they are still a taxpayer. So the repeater tax issue hasn't been solved, only punted down the road a year

Now, I'm not convinced at all that Portland will be a taxpayer next season. Probably, but if Powell and Jones opt out and sign elsewhere, Portland would be well below the tax line with not enough space or exceptions to hit the line. I'm also not certain that Seattle would approve another tax season, especially if Portland fails in the playoffs this season in the same fashion they have for 7 years.

what appears to be is that Olshey is hoping for one final crack at building a contender around his Dame/CJ experiment next season. One more year of trying the same dumb things over and over....that being rearranging the lower end of the rotation hoping for magic beans. Go into the tax and try to win a championship. More low risk moves while Olshey collects another 7 million in salary and makes strategic, self-serving leaks to Woj

 

[Orion Bailey]

like Minstrel said, there are still the limitations of the salary cap. Portland will likely only have the tax-MLE to use next season, and that's significantly less than the full-MLE

and there will be fallout in 2022

Portland is staying below the tax line this season so they would not have to pay repeater tax next season. The CBA trigger is having been a taxpayer in any 3 of 4 previous seasons. The previous two seasons Portland was a taxpayer. But if Portland is a taxpayer next season, then they'd be in the repeater tax in 2022-23 if they are still a taxpayer. So the repeater tax issue hasn't been solved, only punted down the road a year

Now, I'm not convinced at all that Portland will be a taxpayer next season. Probably, but if Powell and Jones opt out and sign elsewhere, Portland would be well below the tax line with not enough space or exceptions to hit the line. I'm also not certain that Seattle would approve another tax season, especially if Portland fails in the playoffs this season in the same fashion they have for 7 years.

what appears to be is that Olshey is hoping for one final crack at building a contender around his Dame/CJ experiment next season. One more year of trying the same dumb things over and over....that being rearranging the lower end of the rotation hoping for magic beans. Go into the tax and try to win a championship. More low risk moves while Olshey collects another 7 million in salary and makes strategic, self-serving leaks to Woj

Does Olshey really make 7mill a year??

 

[Labinot41]

CJ to the Knicks in a 3 team trade does make sense where those picks and a young player or two goes to the new team and someone from that team comes back to us. Having the big TPE is nice but it limits the amount coming back in a trade to the TPE whereas if it's in the same trade as CJ we can go 25% over that number.

can you make a few specific suggestions? i'm curious

 

[wizenheimer]

Does Olshey really make 7mill a year??

it was estimated as 6.5M in 2016, and he got a contract extension 3 years later

https://moneyinc.com/highest-paid-gms-in-the-nba/

https://www.750thegame.com/report-neil-olshey-agrees-to-contract-extension-through-2023-24/

 

[BigGameDamian]

https://nba.nbcsports.com/2021/05/0...n-would-offer-multiple-first-round-picks/amp/

Rumor: Knicks watching Damian Lillard situation, would offer multiple first-round picks

 

[James lamphear]

Any player back to me would have to be expiring contracts the following year. I really don't think they will trade Dame if he not asking for it and last thing I know he not asking.