KP Did Nothing Again?

[Crimson the Cat]

CC- I get your point. I fall in between you and mixum. I very much am enjoying what the Blazers are doing. In fact it got easier watching them once all the expectations were gone because of injuries.

At the same time, I can't help but feel the Blazers can't keep this up and are really no threat in the playoffs, when/if they get there. So do you let the year slip away because of injuries, or do you try to do something now and take advantage of what has been accomplished so far?

Blazers need a big man (banger/rebounder) this year and next. Why not go after it now? With Roy playing at argubly at the top of his game, the Miller 2 year experiment and I hate to lose the momentum of improving each year and the players getting more and more geeked each year as the team becomes contenders.

I don't want to be one of those teams that never reach their potential and keep thinking next year till finally they got to blow it all up (bulls, clips and wiz off top of my head)

But I get it . . . easier said than done.

I hear you. I want the team to improve as fast as possible as well. I just don't want to derail the train in the process.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Calm waters, baby. Calm waters.

Be honest. Does that saying make you want to jab an icepick in your eye/ear/nose/"other"?

 

[Crimson the Cat]

keep making the injury excuse ABM....like everyone else who covers up for kpee

if the kings can get armstrong for a 2nd round pick....

im sure you can get something for an expiring contract or draft picks....

Like who? You spout off that we need to do this or that. I'd like to know what you have in mind.

 

[ABM]

Be honest. Does that saying make you want to jab an icepick in your eye/ear/nose/"other"?

Actually, it resonates with me. I can understand that KP has been under a LOT of pressure to make moves since last season's RLEC, etc. I also understand that he's greatly improved this team over the last 3 years. I stand on that and currently have no issues that he's made no bold moves. I'm sure he's had his reasons. Again, I base my "trust" on his past record. If that changes, I'll be sure to get back to you.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Actually, it resonates with me. I can understand that KP has been under a LOT of pressure to make moves since last season's RLEC, etc. I also understand that he's greatly improved this team over the last 3 years. I stand on that and currently have no issues that he's made no bold moves. I'm sure he's had his reasons. Again, I base my "trust" on his past record. If that changes, I'll be sure to get back to you.

But you realize that he kind of set himself up for this criticism don't you? KP made it quite clear that the reason he was taking on Raef was for the express purpose of having a lot of cap room this past summer to make trades and/or acquisitions. I'm not really unhappy that it turned into Andre Miller (could have been better could have been worse) but you claim your trust is based on a past record ... aside from a knack for acquiring draft picks, I'm really curious where you see him behaving like an actual GM the past year and a half, and not just glorified college/Euroleague scout.

 

[ABM]

But you realize that he kind of set himself up for this criticism don't you? KP made it quite clear that the reason he was taking on Raef was for the express purpose of having a lot of cap room this past summer to make trades and/or acquisitions. I'm not really unhappy that it turned into Andre Miller (could have been better could have been worse) but you claim your trust is based on a past record ... aside from a knack for acquiring draft picks, I'm really curious where you see him behaving like an actual GM the past year and a half, and not just glorified college/Euroleague scout.

I don't begrudge anyone for thinking otherwise from my own opinion. However, I still stand by the cheesy "In KP I trust" mantra for no other reason than the Blazer have kept improving. If that changes, then I might re-think that stance.

 

[Cake]

keep making the injury excuse ABM....like everyone else who covers up for kpee

if the kings can get armstrong for a 2nd round pick....

im sure you can get something for an expiring contract or draft picks....

are you guys serious?

Hilton Armstrong sucks and you know it. And if you don't know it, you're not watching basketball. I suspect you do know it and you're trying to be a drama queen.

Yawn.

 

[jlprk]

Crimson, you keep giving praise to Pritchard for winning individual games with our skeleton crew of a team. What does he have to with the gametime decisions? It's the Coach's coaching, not the GM. Pritchard is just in the stands, watching. McMillan is making them win.

He should have gotten more for LaFrentz than Miller.
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Pritchard can go 3 ways.

1. Do nothing. When he does nothing, he's great!! Calm waters, now. Don't try to improve.

2. Do something. If he ever does, he'll be great!! It might happen in a few months, believe me.

3. Suck. This is logically impossible because his disciples have already covered all possibilities.

... aside from a knack for acquiring draft picks

...not through Pritchard's skill. That was only because he could offer Paul Allen's money.

Like who? You spout off that we need to do this or that. I'd like to know what you have in mind.

So those who say he's lazy, now have to come up with ideas for trades for him? Doesn't that prove exactly what we're saying?

That's like--Junior, you lazy butt!! Clean up your room!!
Junior: Mom, could you prove I haven't done this by cleaning it for me?

Why is it our job to propose trades for Pritchard, to prove that he hasn't come up with trades? Yet this is how you guys defend him against his critics, everytime.

 

[REDIVIDER]

miller was a huge mistake and classic example of money burning a hole through someone's pocket near their genitals. david lee should have been signed long term. he would have taken it with the junk the knicks paid him.

 

[mook]

I'm guessing that the players with value (or who might be part of the package KP is willing to include in a trade) are currently injured.

Yeah, I'm all for a consolidation trade, but for KP to get the best value he's got to have as many healthy assets as possible in his arsenal.

The trade deadline is usually around the 16th of February. By then Batum, Blake and Fernandez should all be either back to full speed or at least close enough for KP and other GM's to make the call. Hopefully KP breaks tradition and can make a major deal midseason.

 

[mook]

miller was a huge mistake and classic example of money burning a hole through someone's pocket near their genitals.

He wasn't my first choice, but he wasn't a bad choice. I'd rather have him on this team right now than not have him, if for no other reason than he's a reasonably valuable asset if we need to pull off a trade. By "reasonably valuable," I don't mean he'd be anybody's grand prize in a trade, but you could throw him in to make salaries match and most trade partners would consider his actual skillset a plus in the deal.

But even trade value aside, Miller is finally being allowed to tap his real value on our roster. He's really shown that he can indeed play well beside Roy when used properly.

 

[STOMP]

Crimson, you keep giving praise to Pritchard for winning individual games with our skeleton crew of a team. What does he have to with the gametime decisions? It's the Coach's coaching, not the GM. Pritchard is just in the stands, watching. McMillan is making them win.

He should have gotten more for LaFrentz than Miller.

exactly who did he pass on?

of course I'm not happy about the injuries the club has sustained (who is?), but I sure do like the talent that they currently have under contract. I'd like the club to be in the position to resign Rudy Greg Nic and Bayless should they choose and I don't expect PA's wallet to absorb $$$ deep into the lux tax... they've indicated that they won't. Greg will be up for extension offer this next offseason, the others in 2011

any trade would have to make sense in the big picture where the talent both fits and matures on about the same timeline as the rest of the core.

STOMP

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Crimson, you keep giving praise to Pritchard for winning individual games with our skeleton crew of a team. What does he have to with the gametime decisions? It's the Coach's coaching, not the GM. Pritchard is just in the stands, watching. McMillan is making them win.

I don't believe this. Pritchard is very responsible. Who's the person that gave us the depth that's keeping this boat afloat? Who selected two college seniors from established programs with skill sets that we needed? Who brought Juwan Howard and Andre Miller to the team? Who didn't give up on Webster, Bayless? Who has brought players to the team that compliment Brandon?

Pritchard drafted or signed (with the exception of Webster) the players that are on the court winning these games.

Also, Pritchard's very responsible for the successful atmosphere surrounding this team over the past few seasons. It's this "culture" that almost acts as a sixth man and breeds winning. Whether it's in free agency, through trade, or via the draft, a certain mentality, versatility, and dedication is targeted to bring into this team.

It's a joke if you don't think Pritchard is a huge reason why this team is winning despite the injuries and youth.

So those who say he's lazy, now have to come up with ideas for trades for him? Doesn't that prove exactly what we're saying?

Lazy? Whatever. Because the incoming players or end results aren't up to your standards, he's now lazy. Ok.

I mean, there couldn't be other reasons other than laziness.

And, as far as me asking what deals Pritchard's detractors have in mind, it's a more than fair question. If you're pissed about KP's inaction, then explain the alternative decisions you wished he would've made. It's simple to say you want a superstar, an impact player, a starting this or that, but how are you going to get it. And when you ask that question, you'll possibly realize that it's not as simple as merely wishing on a star. It takes another team or two to seal the deal. There are restrictions of the CBA. There are own principles and guidelines for the type of incoming players targeted. There's fiscal responsibility. And, of course, there's cost of outgoing talent.

So, I ask, you want change. What did you have in mind? The best realistic option I've come up with would've been Vince Carter last summer. In the end, given his age and salary, it would have been too big of risk for a team not ready to contend yet.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

miller was a huge mistake and classic example of money burning a hole through someone's pocket near their genitals. david lee should have been signed long term. he would have taken it with the junk the knicks paid him.

I'd have preferred David Lee as well, but it wasn't possible. He was a restricted free agent. See Paul Milsap. New York would have matched. A trade could have been done but complicated with his newly BYC status. If I remember the numbers, if the asking price was Outlaw or Blake, the deal could be sealed. They wanted Rudy Fernandez as well as one of those pieces I believe was the rumor talked about. That's too steep IMO.

 

[Minstrel]

Crimson, you keep giving praise to Pritchard for winning individual games with our skeleton crew of a team. What does he have to with the gametime decisions? It's the Coach's coaching, not the GM. Pritchard is just in the stands, watching. McMillan is making them win.

Pritchard is in the stands watching McMillan win with the players that he, Pritchard, assembled, yes. I do think Pritchard had something to do with Portland having these players. It's a pretty impressive feat to have enough good players on the roster that the team can keep succeeding even without so many planned rotation players.

Unless you feel McMillan is such a coaching genius that he could do this with any random people off the street, so player talent isn't relevant. If so, you have a much higher opinion of McMillan than I do.

 

[mook]

I'd have preferred David Lee as well, but it wasn't possible. He was a restricted free agent. See Paul Milsap. New York would have matched. A trade could have been done but complicated with his newly BYC status. If I remember the numbers, if the asking price was Outlaw or Blake, the deal could be sealed. They wanted Rudy Fernandez as well as one of those pieces I believe was the rumor talked about. That's too steep IMO.

If the price really was Rudy, it looks a lot better right now than it did at the time. Man, if we had David Lee right now we'd have a pretty damned good team.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Just out of hypotheticals and "rumors"

Devin Harris (and maybe Bass as well?) for Jack, Outlaw and Frye. Obviously we couldn't then trade Jack for Bayless, so we'd only have Harris as our PG.

VC and Ager for RLEC and Frye. Got nixed by the Blazers b/c Nets wouldn't pack in their 2011 GSW pick.

The latest has the Nets wanting Raef LaFrentz and Channing Frye for Vince Carter and Maurice Ager. The outstanding issue is the Blazers' insistence that the Nets include the Golden State Warriors' 2011 first-round pick, owned by New Jersey.

Other variations of this were VC and Douglas-Roberts for RLEC, Sergio and Outlaw. But the Nets didn't want that one.

So we could have a lineup of:

Harris/Sergio/Mills --no cap room to sign Miller, so we didn't need to trade Sergio for the right to swap 2nds.
Roy/Rudy
VC/Webster/Batum
LMA/JP/(maybe Bass as well?)
Oden/Przy

Maybe you like our team better now...that's cool. Or maybe you don't. But deals have (reportedly) been there.

 

[Masbee]

Just out of hypotheticals and "rumors"

Devin Harris (and maybe Bass as well?) for Jack, Outlaw and Frye. Obviously we couldn't then trade Jack for Bayless, so we'd only have Harris as our PG.

VC and Ager for RLEC and Frye. Got nixed by the Blazers b/c Nets wouldn't pack in their 2011 GSW pick. Other variations of this were VC and Douglas-Roberts for RLEC, Sergio and Outlaw. But the Nets didn't want that one.

So we could have a lineup of:

Harris/Sergio/Mills --no cap room to sign Miller, so we didn't need to trade Sergio for the right to swap 2nds.
Roy/Rudy
VC/Webster/Batum
LMA/JP/(maybe Bass as well?)
Oden/Przy

Maybe you like our team better now...that's cool. Or maybe you don't. But deals have (reportedly) been there.

You traded Frye twice. I don't think that is allowed. Also, where is Blake?

 

[e_blazer]

Just out of hypotheticals and "rumors"

Devin Harris (and maybe Bass as well?) for Jack, Outlaw and Frye. Obviously we couldn't then trade Jack for Bayless, so we'd only have Harris as our PG.

VC and Ager for RLEC and Frye. Got nixed by the Blazers b/c Nets wouldn't pack in their 2011 GSW pick. Other variations of this were VC and Douglas-Roberts for RLEC, Sergio and Outlaw. But the Nets didn't want that one.

So we could have a lineup of:

Harris/Sergio/Mills --no cap room to sign Miller, so we didn't need to trade Sergio for the right to swap 2nds.
Roy/Rudy
VC/Webster/Batum
LMA/JP/(maybe Bass as well?)
Oden/Przy

Maybe you like our team better now...that's cool. Or maybe you don't. But deals have (reportedly) been there.

Nice lineup, but the price tag for that group in the 2010-11 season would be around $75 million (assuming Joel doesn't opt out this summer). Then you'd be looking at significant raises for Oden and Joel the following year. Factor in luxury tax payments, and you're spending PA's money pretty quickly.

The the problem with many of the complaints I see about the Blazers not having spent RLEC's money on a big-time FA is that they don't factor in economic realities. I think PA was willing to break the bank on somebody the likes of Kobe if that could have been worked out, but when Miles and Memphis screwed that up, spending that much money on a guy on the down side of his career like VC just doesn't make sense, IMO.

 

[gatorpops]

I don't believe this. Pritchard is very responsible. Who's the person that gave us the depth that's keeping this boat afloat? Who selected two college seniors from established programs with skill sets that we needed? Who brought Juwan Howard and Andre Miller to the team? Who didn't give up on Webster, Bayless? Who has brought players to the team that compliment Brandon?

Pritchard drafted or signed (with the exception of Webster) the players that are on the court winning these games.

Also, Pritchard's very responsible for the successful atmosphere surrounding this team over the past few seasons. It's this "culture" that almost acts as a sixth man and breeds winning. Whether it's in free agency, through trade, or via the draft, a certain mentality, versatility, and dedication is targeted to bring into this team.

It's a joke if you don't think Pritchard is a huge reason why this team is winning despite the injuries and youth.



Lazy? Whatever. Because the incoming players or end results aren't up to your standards, he's now lazy. Ok.

I mean, there couldn't be other reasons other than laziness.

And, as far as me asking what deals Pritchard's detractors have in mind, it's a more than fair question. If you're pissed about KP's inaction, then explain the alternative decisions you wished he would've made. It's simple to say you want a superstar, an impact player, a starting this or that, but how are you going to get it. And when you ask that question, you'll possibly realize that it's not as simple as merely wishing on a star. It takes another team or two to seal the deal. There are restrictions of the CBA. There are own principles and guidelines for the type of incoming players targeted. There's fiscal responsibility. And, of course, there's cost of outgoing talent.

So, I ask, you want change. What did you have in mind? The best realistic option I've come up with would've been Vince Carter last summer. In the end, given his age and salary, it would have been too big of risk for a team not ready to contend yet.

Actually KP did sign Webster to an extension so this is his team.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Actually KP did sign Webster to an extension so this is his team.

Doh! I was thinking drafted (technically he was onboard with the team, but I believe that was a Patternash decision.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Just out of hypotheticals and "rumors"

Devin Harris (and maybe Bass as well?) for Jack, Outlaw and Frye. Obviously we couldn't then trade Jack for Bayless, so we'd only have Harris as our PG.

We've argued this before. From that article, it's stated that the Nets wanted a stud young player. Doesn't it seem more likely that the deal got nixed because the Nets preferred receiving Harris rather than any young player we had. It does to me, and it's intimated in the article itself.

Nothing from that article shows Pritchard passed up a deal. It does the exact opposite. The deal did go down between the other two teams, which to me, shows that NJ in fact got what they wanted, the best young player out of the deal. Portland got left out.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

VC and Ager for RLEC and Frye. Got nixed by the Blazers b/c Nets wouldn't pack in their 2011 GSW pick. Other variations of this were VC and Douglas-Roberts for RLEC, Sergio and Outlaw. But the Nets didn't want that one.

I could drum up an article that rumored that NJ was wanting one of Rudy or Batum I believe. I remember reading that. We just don't know, so we can't bandy about what we could have had and know with certainty.

If that indeed was the deal, I probably would have gone ahead. The money is atrocious and they come at the tail end of his career, but I might do it. Might. Then again, paying such money for a player that's obviously not producing anywhere close to his salary and taking a way developmental minutes from Batum and Webster doesn't seem very ideal. Either way, I can see the logic in turning the deal down.

 

[MIXUM]

i love of the title of this thread.... "kp did nothing again"

no shit... as kpee prepares for the lotto. his time to shine. durant looks great in blazer colors.









i mean thunder colors.

 

[RR7]

i love of the title of this thread.... "kp did nothing again"

no shit... as kpee prepares for the lotto. his time to shine. durant looks great in blazer colors.









i mean thunder colors.

Oh gimme a fucking break.

Nobody looks good in those Thunder colors.

 

[RoyToy]

K-PEE couldn't trade a hot fudge sundae to a 6 year old for broccoli.

Well why would KPEE want to trade for broccoli when he has a hot fudge sundae? The 6 year old needs to come up with a better offer than that.

Checkmate. Learn the game, then post.

 

[MIXUM]

thats my point... the 6 year old would reject him cause he is so bad at dealing


and stop stealing kingspeeds lines

 

[RoyToy]

thats my point... the 6 year old would reject him cause he is so bad at dealing

Just admit your sig makes no sense and you fooled yourself.

Learn the game, then post.

 

[e_blazer]

Just admit your sig makes no sense and you fouled yourself.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

i love of the title of this thread.... "kp did nothing again"

Well, it's a play on your words.