KP friendship with Blake will cost Portland an NBA title

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

The L*kers (with the triangle) might be the one contender he could start for and not hurt them. If you seriously believe he deserves to be mentioned in the same breath as Rondo or Parker - you need to put down that jug of moonshine!

He's not on their level, but he won't make their team non-contenders if he replaced them.

 

[Tince]

I wonder how many people said these things to posters in the Bulls forum a few years ago? The baby Bulls were supposed to be awesome, for many years.

Steve McNair went to the super bowl at 25, I think. He never made it back.

The fab 5 was supposedly the greatest recruiting class ever, and never won anything.



Yes, the team is young and full of promise, but that doesn't mean shit really.

There is all kinds of reasons to be happy about Portland, but you have to seperate that from the fact that we should still be trying to get better.

Don't sprinkle in a positive with all your negative comments, it might ruin your rep.

You think the worst all the time and you'll probably get your wish.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

That wasn't what I was asking, though. I was asking what teams WOULD he start for, as in over their current starting PG.

And I disagree about SA, they wouldn't still win with him starting over Parker.

He could probably start for the L*kers over Fisher. And the Orlando Magic over Raefer Alston. who..i dunno, played in this year's NBA finals?

 

[Mediocre Man]

And if/when he makes one, I expect nothing but praise from you no matter how bad it is.

And you will get it if it's not Bayless or Batum. Unless of course the player coming back is a young all-star.

Players like Webster, Outlaw Blake, and anyone else not named Brandon, LaMarcus or Greg are easily replacable. Bayless and Batum have already shown they have the capability to be special.

If KP swings and misses with a trade then so be it. I bashed Whitsitt for trading Jermaine because it was widely reported that he killed everyone in practice. Like Roy and others said Bayless did. I didn't think Hedo was the player we shoud have been going after, but he took a swing, and if it would have failed then at least he tried.

 

[MrSelfDestruct]

He could probably start for the L*kers over Fisher. And the Orlando Magic over Raefer Alston. who..i dunno, played in this year's NBA finals?

Who has since been traded and was a stopgap until Nelson recovered.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

Who has since been traded and was a stopgap until Nelson recovered.

they made it to the NBA finals with him as the starting PG. they traded him to get Vince Carter which addressed other more pressing issues.

 

[barfo]

KP has yet to make a real trade. He has traded away malcontents, bad eggs, and bit players, bt never part of his group.

Players like Webster, Outlaw Blake, and anyone else not named Brandon, LaMarcus or Greg are easily replacable. Bayless and Batum have already shown they have the capability to be special.

It seems to me that you are making it awfully tough for KP to meet your requirements. You want him to trade one of his group, but not any of Oden, LMA, Roy, Bayless, or Batum. Webster, Outlaw, and Joel were all here before KP was GM, so I don't think they count as his. Who is left? Just Rudy and Blake. So to make a "real trade", he has to trade one of those two players.

barfo

 

[Mediocre Man]

It seems to me that you are making it awfully tough for KP to meet your requirements. You want him to trade one of his group, but not any of Oden, LMA, Roy, Bayless, or Batum. Webster, Outlaw, and Joel were all here before KP was GM, so I don't think they count as his. Who is left? Just Rudy and Blake. So to make a "real trade", he has to trade one of those two players.

barfo

Webster and Joel were both extended by KP. They fall into the his guys category

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

Webster and Joel were both extended by KP. They fall into the his guys category

and they took reasonable money to do so. i'm fine with that.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I wonder how many people said these things to posters in the Bulls forum a few years ago? The baby Bulls were supposed to be awesome, for many years.

The baby Bulls never won 54 games. They topped out at 47 wins in an extremely weak Eastern Conference (at that time, it was EXTREMELY weak). They didn't have a player on their roster nearly as good as Brandon Roy. Their highest PER was Tyson Chandler at 16.4 compared to Roy's 24.0. They were not close to the same level as the current Blazers. Two years later, they won 49 games, but they weren't really the baby Bulls anymore as they had let both Chandler and Curry walk and their best big men were a 32-year old Ben Wallace and a 37-year old PJ Brown. That year, Luol Deng was their best player with a PER of 18.7 - still a couple notches below Brandon Roy's 24.0.

BNM

 

[LOTBfan]

Yeah I said it and its true. There's no excuse to still not have a GOOD point guard on this team. You know one who can get into the lane and make oden look good. Tyson Chandler sure got a whole lot better when he started playing for the hornets huh? weird. Imagine what Oden could do with a real point guard who can beat his man off the dribble and get into the lane. But that will never happen because KP and BLAKEY are neighbors. Oh and by the way BLAKEY is the gayest nickname I have ever heard

Some people would be much happier becoming Laker fans and playing Hello Kitty Adventure Island. You are so negative, it honestly has to be impacting your health man... get a new hobby... I don't think there is a single person in this community that would miss your attitude.

 

[Da_O]

Yeah I said it and its true. There's no excuse to still not have a GOOD point guard on this team. You know one who can get into the lane and make oden look good. Tyson Chandler sure got a whole lot better when he started playing for the hornets huh? weird. Imagine what Oden could do with a real point guard who can beat his man off the dribble and get into the lane. But that will never happen because KP and BLAKEY are neighbors. Oh and by the way BLAKEY is the gayest nickname I have ever heard

I would just like to know, what was the GOOD point guard that KP and this management passed up? GOOD young point guards are hard to come by and teams don't just give them up for nothing.

I'm sure every team would love to draft the next Chris Paul to put next to their Tyson Chandler but GOOD PG's are few and far between.

 

[MrSelfDestruct]

I would just like to know, what was the GOOD point guard that KP and this management passed up? GOOD young point guards are hard to come by and teams don't just give them up for nothing.

I'm sure every team would love to draft the next Chris Paul to put next to their Tyson Chandler but GOOD PG's are few and far between.

If I'm not mistaken they drafted Taureen Green over Sessions. In all fairness though, both were 2nd round picks so take from that what you will.

2nd rounders are usually a crapshoot.

 

[Da_O]

If I'm not mistaken they drafted Taureen Green over Sessions. In all fairness though, both were 2nd round picks so take from that what you will.

2nd rounders are usually a crapshoot.

I really don't blame KP for passing on that when nearly the entire league had passed over him.

 

[ppilot]

I wonder how many people said these things to posters in the Bulls forum a few years ago? The baby Bulls were supposed to be awesome, for many years.

Steve McNair went to the super bowl at 25, I think. He never made it back.

The fab 5 was supposedly the greatest recruiting class ever, and never won anything.



Yes, the team is young and full of promise, but that doesn't mean shit really.

There is all kinds of reasons to be happy about Portland, but you have to seperate that from the fact that we should still be trying to get better.

1. The baby bulls were talented but flawed in that they didn't have a lowpost defender/rebounder/scorer. They also grew impatient and made some trades that completely set them back.

2. ??? This comparison makes absolutely no sense. Are you really comparing one player to an entire team....especially a football player?

3. Again This comparison makes absolutely no sense. College players are only there for a finite amount of time and and the fab five played together for only two years.


If you are trying to make the point that nothing is guaranteed, then I would agree. But your examples are completely unrelated. You do realize that players even if the players only improve a slight amount, we will still be able to win at least 55 games. I will be much more critical if no move is made before the trade deadline, which is highly unlikely

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

KP has yet to make a real trade. He has traded away malcontents, bad eggs, and bit players, bt never part of his group.

I have to agree with you MM.

And we shall see what KP does over the next couple of weeks. This is critical. This establishes KP's place as one of the true, young and brilliant GM's.

 

[C_note]

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[Dufferduck]

And we shall see what KP does over the next couple of weeks. This is critical. This establishes KP's place as one of the true, young and brilliant GM's.


I think KP's ship has come and gone for 09'. All this Jibber jab about how we would be " VERY ACTIVE" this summer is all a bunch of B.S. The last two year's he was setting himself up for a big spending spree. Problem is there is nobody in this class that is worth Max money. Turk would have been fine, upgrade. But our biggest need is PG hands down. I like Blake but I just down't see us winning anything with him. Blake is OK, not grreat

I think we need to swing for the fences and get a legit PG. Harris, Hinrich. Start there and move up.We have 4 SF's and Blake, Bayless. Bayless is a horrible shooter. He is a horrible fit for Roy. JB's shot is so flat even Drexler has offered to lend a hand. lol.

I've lost a lot of faith in KP this summer, I thought he was gonna land a good SF and upgrade the PG.`He failed on the both. I think he a great scout/ talent evalutaor but is not a good GM in that evaluating other teams talent and trying to piece it together with what we have.

Good luck KP

 

[rocketeer]

Trading Blake for Hinrich or Andre Miller wouldn't appreciably change this team. IMO, KPs big screwups were trading Zach just to trade him, Clearing Cap Space 2 years into the future with no real target (I guess that's the whole Tom Penn thing) and not trading RLEC.

if you really think that trading away zach randolph was a mistake, i'm not sure people are going to respect your basketball opinion very much. there's good reason the blazers weren't able to get any value for him(and it's the same reason the knicks weren't able to get value for him and the same reason the clippers weren't able to get value for him).

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

if you really think that trading away zach randolph was a mistake, i'm not sure people are going to respect your basketball opinion very much. there's good reason the blazers weren't able to get any value for him(and it's the same reason the knicks weren't able to get value for him and the same reason the clippers weren't able to get value for him).

Trading ZBO for cap space we're not going to use was a mistake. We could have sat on our ass with him putting some points up. Rushed trade, nothing in return, now people are trying to cover up their bullshit opinions on the matter.

I don't care if "people aren't going to respect my basketball opinion", its the right one.

 

[rocketeer]

Trading ZBO for cap space we're not going to use was a mistake. We could have sat on our ass with him putting some points up. Rushed trade, nothing in return, now people are trying to cover up their bullshit opinions on the matter.

the team is better off without him.

I don't care if "people aren't going to respect my basketball opinion", its the right one.

in this case, it's definitely not.

 

[oldmangrouch]

if you really think that trading away zach randolph was a mistake, i'm not sure people are going to respect your basketball opinion very much. there's good reason the blazers weren't able to get any value for him(and it's the same reason the knicks weren't able to get value for him and the same reason the clippers weren't able to get value for him).

"Bad contract" and "useful player" are not mutually exclusive. If Zach was making half as much money, teams would want him.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

the team is better off without him.

This is not provable since we never even rolled it with other than Roy and Aldridge's rookie seasons, we just rushed a trade to clear cap space in two years that is proving more and more to be absolutely worthless.

In essence, barring some miracle, we got nothing. nada. zip. zilch. zero. Knicks and Clippers appear to have done the same as well to clear cap room, so it was still doable to trade for cap space. We're not doing anything with it anyways.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

"Bad contract" and "useful player" are not mutually exclusive. If Zach was making half as much money, teams would want him.

Zach would have been great in the second unit. Sure its a huge contract but again, we are not doing anything with the money anyways.

Get some rebounding and interior scoring...would have been nice to have him there instead of Frye or Outlaw playing the 4.

 

[LameR]

Trading ZBO for cap space we're not going to use was a mistake. We could have sat on our ass with him putting some points up. Rushed trade, nothing in return, now people are trying to cover up their bullshit opinions on the matter.

I don't care if "people aren't going to respect my basketball opinion", its the right one.

Aldridge would not have developed anywhere near to where he is now if we had held onto Zach.

 

[Boob-No-More]

In essence, barring some miracle, we got nothing. nada. zip. zilch. zero.

Somewhere in Spain, Rudy Fernandez is feeling very unloved right now.

BNM

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

Aldridge would not have developed anywhere near to where he is now if we had held onto Zach.

We don't know that.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

Somewhere in Spain, Rudy Fernandez is feeling very unloved right now.

BNM

not this again.


we bought Rudy for cash. sure, the "trade exception" got us james jones but we could have likely bought him straight up. Pritch wanted James Jones.

we were one of the few teams that were in a position to stash a pick in Europe AND then help with the buyout.

 

[Da_O]

Zach's gone get over it.

 

[BTOWN_HUSTLA]

Zach's gone get over it.

Yes, but what we traded him for, what we've been hearing about since we did trade him for is front and center, and appears to be essentially useless.

This is more important than "KP's friendship with Blake" in costing us an NBA title. IMO, RLEC and Cap Space should have been played much smarter, what essentially happened was worse case scenario and trumps all of the problems we think we have on our team (other than Oden's development, of course).

We can waste all the time in the world whining about Blake, Outlaw, no backup PF, no passing SF, or whatever, but the real issue is the fumble of the cap situation and RLEC.