KP GOOD JOB

[ODENISGOD]

You landed the right point guard. I tip my hat. Now get rid of bayless

 

[SodaPopinski]

Where am I?

 

[ODENISGOD]

Where am I?

I speak the truth. I was being forced to be negative because this is the first thing KP has gotten right all year. He still has got to get roy and lma signed ASAP. But I have no problem pointing out when he does something good. Now get it done.

 

[Tyler_Hansbrough]

Holy cow. I don't believe what I am seeing here.

Rep due for Mixum?

 

[barfo]

I speak the truth. I was being forced to be negative because this is the first thing KP has gotten right all year.

It's July 24th. You were forced to be negative because you didn't have the patience to wait 3 weeks for a free-agent signing.

barfo

 

[rocketeer]

good job? i guess i shouldn't be surprised. the blazers finally panicked and made a bad move just to get something done, so i guess i should expect a "good job" coming from you.

 

[Wheels]

good job? i guess i shouldn't be surprised. the blazers finally panicked and made a bad move just to get something done, so i guess i should expect a "good job" coming from you.

upgrading the PG spot is a panic and bad move? pray tel... I suppose the Rockets getting a decent Center would be panicking too?

 

[Tyler_Hansbrough]

good job? i guess i shouldn't be surprised. the blazers finally panicked and made a bad move just to get something done, so i guess i should expect a "good job" coming from you.

??? Care to elaborate on how this is a bad move?

 

[rocketeer]

because andre miller is a vastly overrated player who doesn't really fit on the team. he's an "upgrade" on paper, but i don't expect his game to be an actual upgrade on the court.

 

[Wheels]

because andre miller is a vastly overrated player who doesn't really fit on the team. he's an "upgrade" on paper, but i don't expect his game to be an actual upgrade on the court.

you did see Blake in the playoffs right?

 

[Wizard Mentor]

We've been waiting for a consolidation trade.... and we're still waiting.

 

[ODENISGOD]

*edited*

 

[Tyler_Hansbrough]

because andre miller is a vastly overrated player who doesn't really fit on the team. he's an "upgrade" on paper, but i don't expect his game to be an actual upgrade on the court.

Vastly overrated? On what basis?

 

[oldmangrouch]

Vastly overrated? On what basis?

Because he isn't a stud 3-point shooter. You know, the way Tom Brady is over-rated as a QB because he can't kick 50 yard FGs.

 

[STOMP]

Because he isn't a stud 3-point shooter. You know, the way Tom Brady is over-rated as a QB because he can't kick 50 yard FGs.

how will the Blazers ever spread the court with only Roy Rudy Batum Outlaw Martell shooting 3's and LA with his sweet J?

Awwwwww freak out!

STOMP

 

[Idog1976]

We've been waiting for a consolidation trade.... and we're still waiting.

Do you see one coming? If so, who for? I'm just curious.

 

[Eastoff]

how will the Blazers ever spread the court with only Roy Rudy Batum Outlaw Martell shooting 3's and LA with his sweet J?

Awwwwww freak out!

STOMP

whoa whoa, tell LMA to pass it this way!

 

[rocketeer]

Vastly overrated? On what basis?

on the basis that he's rated higher than he should be.

andre miller can't shoot, is not a good defender(and isn't an improvement in that area over blake), needs the ball in his hands to be effective(while the blazers would prefer the ball to be in roy's hands), is most effective in an uptempo game(which the blazers don't play), doesn't really have more playoff experience than anyone else on the team despite his age(not really important but that's why people wanted a "veteran"), hasn't really won anywhere he's played, has almost no experience playing with good big men and getting the ball inside(one year with brand on the clippers), etc.

i could keep going but i think you get the point. he's a paper "upgrade" that really doesn't make much actual sense on the team.

 

[oldmangrouch]

on the basis that he's rated higher than he should be.

andre miller can't shoot, is not a good defender(and isn't an improvement in that area over blake), needs the ball in his hands to be effective(while the blazers would prefer the ball to be in roy's hands), is most effective in an uptempo game(which the blazers don't play), doesn't really have more playoff experience than anyone else in the league despite his age(not really important but that's why people wanted a "veteran"), hasn't really won anywhere he's played, has almost no experience playing with good big men and getting the ball inside(one year with brand on the clippers), etc.

i could keep going but i think you get the point. he's a paper "upgrade" that really doesn't make much actual sense on the team.

The "Miller can't shoot" claim is pure hogwash. For his career, he has averaged 46% from the field (comparable to Roy, and much better than Blake), has a career average of 14.6 PPG, and is an 80% FT shooter (he also gets to the line far more frequently than Blake.) He isn't a good 3-point shooter....but since when did that become the only standard for judging a player's offense?

The "more effective in an uptempo game" claim has also been discussed. Philly's pace factor was a bit higher than Portland's, but still in the bottom third of the league.

The "hasn't won" nonsense has also been discussed to death. *Teams* win, not individuals. The claim that all players on weak teams are crap is pure BS. If Miller is such a loser you might explain how he helped turn a 17 win Denver team into one that won 43, 44, and 49 games during his 3 full seasons there. The Cavs also added 10 wins his rookie year. There is also the small fact that Philly doesn't sniff the play-off without him. But yeh, he is a real loser!

"Paper upgrade"? He is just as big an upgrade over Blake as Hedo would have been over Outlaw...and he won't cost the team 5 years/$50 million.

 

[Wheels]

on the basis that he's rated higher than he should be.

andre miller can't shoot, is not a good defender(and isn't an improvement in that area over blake), needs the ball in his hands to be effective(while the blazers would prefer the ball to be in roy's hands), is most effective in an uptempo game(which the blazers don't play), doesn't really have more playoff experience than anyone else in the league despite his age(not really important but that's why people wanted a "veteran"), hasn't really won anywhere he's played, has almost no experience playing with good big men and getting the ball inside(one year with brand on the clippers), etc.

i could keep going but i think you get the point. he's a paper "upgrade" that really doesn't make much actual sense on the team.

I guess we'll agree to disagree. Good luck not panicking and standing pat with your Center position.

 

[Minstrel]

I guess we'll agree to disagree. Good luck not panicking and standing pat with your Center position.

To be fair, rocketeer is a pretty big Blazers fan, not just a Rockets fan, has been posting with this community for a long time and is just as knowledgeable about the Blazers as anyone else.

 

[rocketeer]

The "Miller can't shoot" claim is pure hogwash. For his career, he has averaged 46% from the field (comparable to Roy, and much better than Blake), has a career average of 14.6 PPG, and is an 80% FT shooter (he also gets to the line far more frequently than Blake.) He isn't a good 3-point shooter....but since when did that become the only standard for judging a player's offense?

you're right. andre miller is a bad 3 point shooter. that's what i meant when i said he couldn't shoot.

The "more effective in an uptempo game" claim has also been discussed. Philly's pace factor was a bit higher than Portland's, but still in the bottom third of the league.

and? miller still is at his best playing at a higher tempo than the blazers play.

The "hasn't won" nonsense has also been discussed to death. *Teams* win, not individuals. The claim that all players on weak teams are crap is pure BS. If Miller is such a loser you might explain how he helped turn a 17 win Denver team into one that won 43, 44, and 49 games during his 3 full seasons there. The Cavs also added 10 wins his rookie year. There is also the small fact that Philly doesn't sniff the play-off without him. But yeh, he is a real loser!

i didn't say that it was important that miller hadn't won anywhere. just like his playoff experience(or lack of playoff experience), it's not a big issue to me. but it seemed like most arguments from people wanting a "veteran" wanted a guy who had won and had playoff experience. that isn't andre miller.

and is it really shocking that denver gained wins when they added carmelo? the cavs added 10 wins his rookie year, then slowly lost games every season until he left. the clippers lost 12 more games his one season with them. philly doesn't sniff the playoffs without him? i guess we'll see.

"Paper upgrade"? He is just as big an upgrade over Blake as Hedo would have been over Outlaw...and he won't cost the team 5 years/$50 million.

hedo was a bigger upgrade over outlaw. hedo had playmaking skills from the small forward position that would help make the pgs more effective and hedo has the spot up shooting ability to play well off the ball as well.

the only decent thing about the miller signing is that he's only guaranteed two years, but 7 mil is definitely too much for him.

 

[rocketeer]

I guess we'll agree to disagree. Good luck not panicking and standing pat with your Center position.

so you're suggesting that panicking would be a good thing?

the rockets are fine. they won't be in the playoffs this season unless something incredible happens(yao or tmac comes back near 100% or one of the guys they have emerges as a star in a breakout year). but they are still in good position. the center position is fine. they brought in david anderson who has been one of the top centers in europe the last few seasons. i don't have huge expectations for him but it's a solid(and inexpensive) move. other than that they have scola, landry, hayes, dorsey, and cook to man the 4/5. obviously no stars but a solid cast of role players.

that's what the rockets are this season. a team loaded with role players but no stars. they'll wait and see what happens with tmac and yao recovering from their injuries. the rockets are in a good position where they will have cap room and will be a great situation for any star player to step in. i'm very happy where the rockets are long term even though it sucks that this season is basically over before it starts.

the blazers are in a good position as well. i don't think this move necessarily makes the blazers worse, it just doesn't make them any better. for all the negatives i see with miller, he does have some positives(i just don't think they outweigh the negatives). and just not making any moves, i think the blazers were a good enough team to win 60 games this season. i just felt if they were going to make a move it should be bringing in a player that clearly fits and makes the team better. i don't think that is the case with andre miller and i think holding onto the cap room(to explore trade opportunities) and going with blake/bayless at pg would have been a much better decision.

 

[Blazer_Mullet_Man]

Wait! I thought the mob mentality and the, 'I sure hope I'm popular on this board, because I've been a loser for the previous fifteen years of my life' mentality, so I'll never have my own opinion or disagree with KP, EVER...simply because if you do disagree with him, you're seen as Mixum (or whatever his name is) ruled here... It's nice to see a poster actually negative about KP, but praising him on some level - even if I disagree.

You're one of my favorite posters here, simply because you are objectional, but, I do disagree with you - I don't think Miller's signing is a good thing for us. But, I've been wrong before, and hope to be wrong this time... The best part is knowing I disagree with you doesn't = some false name and simple name calling ---- AND, I am actually open to being wrong.

Man, I hope Miller is the player that takes us over the hump and brings Roy and LA's game to a dominate level in the playoffs....

 

[ODENISGOD]

Wait! I thought the mob mentality and the, 'I sure hope I'm popular on this board, because I've been a loser for the previous fifteen years of my life' mentality, so I'll never have my own opinion or disagree with KP, EVER...simply because if you do disagree with him, you're seen as Mixum (or whatever his name is) ruled here... It's nice to see a poster actually negative about KP, but praising him on some level - even if I disagree.

You're one of my favorite posters here, simply because you are objectional, but, I do disagree with you - I don't think Miller's signing is a good thing for us. But, I've been wrong before, and hope to be wrong this time... The best part is knowing I disagree with you doesn't = some false name and simple name calling ---- AND, I am actually open to being wrong.

Man, I hope Miller is the player that takes us over the hump and brings Roy and LA's game to a dominate level in the playoffs....

I just try and speak the truth. A lot of fans refuse to look at the truth though and speak positive even if it makes no sense. I couldn't stand being that fake. I think you will like Miller though because I see him opening up a lot for Oden and LMA down low for tons of more easy baskets, and god knows we need them. We should cut our jump shot attempts in half and life would be a lot easier on the blazers.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

you two are so persecuted.

there, there.

 

[azsun67]

so you're suggesting that panicking would be a good thing?

the rockets are fine. they won't be in the playoffs this season unless something incredible happens(yao or tmac comes back near 100% or one of the guys they have emerges as a star in a breakout year). but they are still in good position. the center position is fine. they brought in david anderson who has been one of the top centers in europe the last few seasons. i don't have huge expectations for him but it's a solid(and inexpensive) move. other than that they have scola, landry, hayes, dorsey, and cook to man the 4/5. obviously no stars but a solid cast of role players.

that's what the rockets are this season. a team loaded with role players but no stars. they'll wait and see what happens with tmac and yao recovering from their injuries. the rockets are in a good position where they will have cap room and will be a great situation for any star player to step in. i'm very happy where the rockets are long term even though it sucks that this season is basically over before it starts.

the blazers are in a good position as well. i don't think this move necessarily makes the blazers worse, it just doesn't make them any better. for all the negatives i see with miller, he does have some positives(i just don't think they outweigh the negatives). and just not making any moves, i think the blazers were a good enough team to win 60 games this season. i just felt if they were going to make a move it should be bringing in a player that clearly fits and makes the team better. i don't think that is the case with andre miller and i think holding onto the cap room(to explore trade opportunities) and going with blake/bayless at pg would have been a much better decision.

So you think we win 60 without Miller, how man do you think we win with him. So you think the Miller signing is so bad that it will cost us games, or do you now raise your win total?

 

[STOMP]

you two are so persecuted.

no doubt, poor poor Johnny come lately martyrs in their own minds

I praise the current management because I've consistently sided with the moves they've made. I've rooted for the Blazers dating back to the 70's, and there certainly have been periods this wasn't true. Chatting in this very same community of on-line Blazer fans I hated the Sheed for SAR and Theo trade and cringed at the subsequent Zach/Darius/Theo signings. I was a huge proponent of drafting Chris Paul in 2005, had LA and Roy rated 1 & 2 in 2006, openly pined for years for Greg and was very open to dealing Zach in 2007... I had Batum as my 2nd choice at #13 in 2008 (to Anthony Randolph), and this year thought they should go with a guy they could stash overseas as the draft talent sucked and the roster was mostly set. I also discussed adding Andre Miller ad nausea starting this past spring as I thought he was the best realistic target in the FA class. I stated these opinions before management did them, yet somehow I'm part of a mob of fakes because I'm not being critical of them now?

STOMP

 

[rocketeer]

So you think we win 60 without Miller, how man do you think we win with him. So you think the Miller signing is so bad that it will cost us games, or do you now raise your win total?

just above the part you bolded i said "i don't think this move necessarily makes the blazers worse, it just doesn't make them any better." at this point my prediction for how many games the blazers will win would remain basically the same.