KP wrestling with failure - Roy and Aldridge talks stalled

[hasoos]

Once again. KP is a great judge of talent. He hasn't really done anything else to garner all of this best GM ever praise.

Totally agreed. It seems like his strength is the draft, and that's about it. I am not even so sure about that anymore.

 

[Mediocre Man]

No worries, we'll let Brandon walk and we can get into the lottery again and show off how good our draft evaluators are and find the next Brandon Roy!

That's a great point I hadn't thought of/ Next years draft is supposed to be rich in talent. LOL

Apparently KP is taking this money ball thing so seriously that he is being cheap like th A's as well.

 

[Wheels]

That's a great point I hadn't thought of/ Next years draft is supposed to be rich in talent. LOL

Apparently KP is taking this money ball thing so seriously that he is being cheap like th A's as well.

F that.. I REFUSE to be the farm system for the entire NBA, like the A's have been for the Majors.

 

[RickyRubio]

Imaginary Contract Extension!

LOL ok that shit is starting to get funny. I can't lie.

Anyhow, wtf this has got to be a false story. Roy isn't going anywhere.

 

[Idog1976]

I can't help but think of the line in Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels:

"Chill WINNNN-STON!"

We know nothing about what is really going on. Until I hear that Roy is upset from a credible source I will assume nothing is wrong. Otherwise we're just getting all torqued for nothing. Sometimes "Sports Writers" seem more like "Gossp rag writers". This seems like it is stirring the pot during a slow off-season.

 

[STOMP]

F that.. I REFUSE to be the farm system for the entire NBA, like the A's have been for the Majors.

what does you refusing have to do with Portland resigning it's players or not? Do you have secret powers?

STOMP

 

[Wheels]

what does you refusing have to do with Portland resigning it's players or not? Do you have secret powers?

STOMP

lol nothing actually it was just me stomping my feet.

 

[blue32]

maybe roy doesnt want travis traded...... so hes negotiating that too

 

[maxiep]

I don't buy any of this story.

 

[oldguy]

Unbelievable that so many jump to, "KP's an idiot", instead of considering the source.

 

[hasoos]

Unbelievable that so many jump to, "KP's an idiot", instead of considering the source.

Actually Jason Quick does have a lot of "ins" with Roy, and probably does know about this. I would tend to believe him on this one.

 

[RickyRubio]

There is no way this is true. Something is missing.

 

[crandc]

Maybe KP is just working on deals first since he feels confident Roy & LMA will re-sign? The Blazers have only said about 2078539276 times that Roy and LMA are the franchise cornerstones and are untouchable.

I think this is a case of much ado about nothing. It slays me that there are pages of freakout over KP being a failure for something that has not yet happened and that we have no CREDIBLE reason to think will happen.

Hey! I hear that [fill in name of poster] will forget his anniversary! Obviously his marriage is wrestling with failure. Hasn't happened yet but I'm sure it will!

 

[e_blazer]

Given that the earliest that new contracts could be signed by anybody in the NBA was yesterday, it strikes me that Quick is being a bit of a drama queen.

 

[Wheels]

Given that the earliest that new contracts could be signed by anybody in the NBA was yesterday, it strikes me that Quick is being a bit of a drama queen.

lol interesting. didnt think about all that.

 

[hasoos]

Given that the earliest that new contracts could be signed by anybody in the NBA was yesterday, it strikes me that Quick is being a bit of a drama queen.

What? Like negotiations can't take place before signing? That would be just like saying that businesses can't negotiate until the exact moment a contract is signed. Complete bullshit.

 

[e_blazer]

What? Like negotiations can't take place before signing? That would be just like saying that businesses can't negotiate until the exact moment a contract is signed. Complete bullshit.

Who said negotiations weren't taking place? All I said was that getting all excited about Roy and Aldridge not being signed yet, when we're only one day into the signing period, is ridiculous. The Blazers have until the end of October, IIRC, to sign these guys to an extension of their rookie contracts. Does anybody really think that the deals won't get done? Stupid beyond belief.

 

[Harry's Raincoat]

This isn't true! Yesterday was the first day players could SIGN on the dotted line with teams for Free Agency or extensions. Bargnani was the #1 player that year. He sets the bar. Aldridge and Roy are next. It'll happen in due time.

When was the last time Quick was right about anything?? Come on people!!!!

 

[Idog1976]

What this forum really needs is a knitting circle.

 

[LittleAlex]

But what is the "shrewd negotiation" that he's failing to show? He offered the most Portland could to Turk. Turk took a bit more to go to a city he preferred. He's now (depending on the veracity of the report) offered a lot to Millsap and in a potentially creative way. Ultimately, I don't think free agency boils down to shrewdness in negotiation. It comes down to identifying the right guys to go after (which is talent evaluation, something you seem to have faith in with him) and then hoping they pick you. Basketball cuts out the "bidding" step, by and large, by standardizing contracts. Outside of certain free agents, most seem to boil down to offering everything you can...either all your cap space up to the max or the MLE.

It would seem to me that Pritchard showed plenty of shrewd negotiation in the Aldridge deal, the double-deal that acquired Roy, the deal for Bayless or the maneuver to steal Batum away from the Spurs.

I'm not saying that Pritchard is a perfect GM or any such thing. But judging him based on free agent activity seems like a bad idea, because significant free agent movement isn't tremendously common and when it does happen, there doesn't seem to be a lot of art to it. Offer what you can, see what they choose.

The statement in bold is only true because Portland did not renounce the rights to Outlaw, which would have provided the team with another 4 million to play with.

Portland had more money to play with, they just chose to keep Outlaw instead.

I am not advocating either move, but really Portland could have more under the cap and have chosen not to.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

What this forum really needs is a knitting circle.

Or a book club. Maybe Lord of the Flies as the first book?

 

[Stevenson]

The statement in bold is only true because Portland did not renounce the rights to Outlaw, which would have provided the team with another 4 million to play with.

Portland had more money to play with, they just chose to keep Outlaw instead.

1) That is flat-out incorrect. You can't simply renounce someone under contract.

2) I sure am glad you are a poster and not our GM.

 

[illmatic99]

1) That is flat-out incorrect. You can't simply renounce someone under contract.

2) I sure am glad you are a poster and not our GM.

Outlaw and Blake had partially guaranteed deals that could have been renounced before July 1.

 

[hasoos]

Outlaw and Blake had partially guaranteed deals that could have been renounced before July 1.

That is correct.

 

[LittleAlex]

1) That is flat-out incorrect. You can't simply renounce someone under contract.

2) I sure am glad you are a poster and not our GM.

You should check facts before you post something like this. Both Blake and Outlaw could have been let go before July 1, which would have freed up 8 more million dollars or so.

1.) So yeah, you sort of can renounce players if their contract is structured in a way that allows it.

2.) I am glad I am not Portland's GM either. It sure seems like a completely thankless job.


Further, I specified in my post that I didn't not advocate such a thing. Only that saying Portland offered as much money as they possibly could was false.

 

[hasoos]

Listen folks. This should have been very simple. There should have been one announcement. Brandon Roy signing a max deal contract extension. There was nothing else that should have ever been feasible to come out of this. There should be no agents leaking to the press because of problems. There should have just been a press conference with the announcement of a max deal. How hard is that? It's a no brainer.

 

[Minstrel]

Further, I specified in my post that I didn't not advocate such a thing. Only that saying Portland offered as much money as they possibly could was false.

It wasn't false. You're saying that previous moves could have created more space, but that's always true. Based on their salary structure at the time free agency began, they offered the most possible.

This is a worthwhile distinction because you're conflating two different things: Pritchard's choice to retain Blake and Outlaw and his "ability to negotiate" with free agents. If you don't like his choice to retain Outlaw, fine. But that has nothing to do with whether he knows how to "deal with free agents." He offered as much as he could (which takes into account all past moves) which was already an overpay, rolled out the red carpet and Turk still chose to go elsewhere. This doesn't, in any way, suggest to me that Pritchard failed in some meaningful way when it came to trying to sign Turkoglu. It suggests that free agency is unpredictable because you can't control the choices of the free agents themselves.

 

[Blaze01]

Maybe Roy's agent is miffed by the Blazer's timeline?

Pritchard calls up Roy 1st as the FA period begins and they probably talk about an extension, and then this whole fiasco erupts with Hedo and POR going to Plan B, and I could see Roy's agent wanting to get a deal done for himself...err his client and maybe telling Quick that "talks have stalled" with Pritchard....

and the whole 4 vs 5 years makes absolutely ZERO sense from POR persepctive, I just think Quick got confused there...

 

[Minstrel]

Maybe Roy's agent is miffed by the Blazer's timeline?

Pritchard calls up Roy 1st as the FA period begins and they probably talk about an extension, and then this whole fiasco erupts with Hedo and POR going to Plan B, and I could see Roy's agent wanting to get a deal done for himself...err his client and maybe telling Quick that "talks have stalled" with Pritchard....

Unlikely. Unless Pritchard is brainless, he's already assured Roy, Aldridge and their agents that they're getting their extensions for certain, this summer. Since I don't think Pritchard is brainless, my assumption is that getting the extensions officially signed is simply not an immediate priority to either Pritchard (who's busy trying to improve the team at the moment) or Roy/Aldridge, because it's already assured to happen. Why would either side care if it happened yesterday or in a month, as long as both sides know that it is guaranteed?

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

This isn't how you treat a franchise player. The guy is only 25!

If I were Roy, or in Roy's position, I'd sign for the least years and bail. Go to a team who appreciates what I bring.

4 years, are you fucking kidding me?