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TBpup said:
Doesn't that kind of prove that is a large exception to the rule? Going back 46 years for an example, means it doesn't happen very often. Of course you make moves to try to compete....if you can really compete. What it seems most people that have an issue with that is, is that we can trade a potential generational pick, youth, future picks....all to be maybe a 2nd round team?

Just seems like a waste, when you could keep all those assets and perhaps add other on top of it to do a real, proper rebuild and let it build.....like the Nuggets did.
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You were a fan through the 2006-2007 rebuild, right? Great assets, far better than what Cronin has available currently. Aldridge, Roy, and Oden looked to be a sure path to long term contention. Obviously, two bad sets of knees put an end to that dream.

There’s no certainty that a full rebuild will work. After years and years of rebuilding, the TWolves are no closer to contending and the Kings are only a fringe contender.
 
tykendo said:
Jokic was an outlier pick in the second round. Literally lightning in a bottle. The Blazers are more likely to be Sacramento, rebuilding for 16 years than catching that lightning. Especially Portland. Even if some of those picks pan out, what's the real chance they stay? 10%. We are a great basketball city. But that's not always what turns young millionaires on. Bright lights and big city are more of a lure to leave, than stay.
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e_blazer said:
You were a fan through the 2006-2007 rebuild, right? Great assets, far better than what Cronin has available currently. Aldridge, Roy, and Oden looked to be a sure path to long term contention. Obviously, two bad sets of knees put an end to that dream.

There’s no certainty that a full rebuild will work. After years and years of rebuilding, the TWolves are no closer to contending and the Kings are only a fringe contender.
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Of course there is no guarantee, but if we manage things like the Kings did, then we only have ourselves to blame.

What I don't understand, is all this talk of years of rebuilding......like we are actually rebuilding from something. 137-173 in the last 4 seasons. We haven't done a damn thing in years! This is just building. 'Re', give the impression we were impressive somewhere along the way recently, and want to return to that level. We haven't been a legit contender in over 20 years.

There is no 'Re'. It's just building. Wish that weren't the case, but sadly it is.
 
TBpup said:
Of course there is no guarantee, but if we manage things like the Kings did, then we only have ourselves to blame.

What I don't understand, is all this talk of years of rebuilding......like we are actually rebuilding from something. 137-173 in the last 4 seasons. We haven't done a damn thing in years! This is just building. 'Re', give the impression we were impressive somewhere along the way recently, and want to return to that level. We haven't been a legit contender in over 20 years.

There is no 'Re'. It's just building. Wish that weren't the case, but sadly it is.
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Lakers - 17 titles
Celtics - 17 titles
Warriors - 7 titles
Bulls - 6 titles
Spurs - 5 titles
Sixers, Pistons and Heat - 3 titles
Knicks, Rockets, Bucks - 2 titles
Nine other teams including the Blazers - 1 title
10 remaining teams - no titles.

I hate to break it to you, but for about 2/3 of the teams in the league constant building with no results is a way of life.
 
TBpup said:
Doesn't that kind of prove that is a large exception to the rule? Going back 46 years for an example, means it doesn't happen very often. Of course you make moves to try to compete....if you can really compete. What it seems most people that have an issue with that is, is that we can trade a potential generational pick, youth, future picks....all to be maybe a 2nd round team?

Just seems like a waste, when you could keep all those assets and perhaps add other on top of it to do a real, proper rebuild and let it build.....like the Nuggets did.
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There is no Blueprint to what the Nuggets did. Sure we can get luck and draft the next Generational player at 42 overall in the second round.

I get what you're trying to do here but Nuggets is a bad comp.

Number three pick is important in the face of our franchise. We were lucky to get it. Brass knows how important it is and fingers crossed for due dilligence.


Can't wait until Thursday
 
e_blazer said:
Lakers - 17 titles
Celtics - 17 titles
Warriors - 7 titles
Bulls - 6 titles
Spurs - 5 titles
Sixers, Pistons and Heat - 3 titles
Knicks, Rockets, Bucks - 2 titles
Nine other teams including the Blazers - 1 title
10 remaining teams - no titles.

I hate to break it to you, but for about 2/3 of the teams in the league constant building with no results is a way of life.
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Of course it is. I'm just asking what so many fans think Portland is REbuilding from. That was the biggest point of the post.
 
RonBrewer said:
There is no Blueprint to what the Nuggets did. Sure we can get luck and draft the next Generational player at 42 overall in the second round.

I get what you're trying to do here but Nuggets is a bad comp.

Number three pick is important in the face of our franchise. We were lucky to get it. Brass knows how important it is and fingers crossed for due dilligence.


Can't wait until Thursday
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The point was, they built....and let it play out. There was no rush, no 2-3 year window they were trying to jam a title run into. They built what they had, got lucky with Jokic, then added pieces around him. Portland could have had Gordon and Brown, but Brown was told "he wouldn't play there" where it seems he was referring to Portland as we were one of the two teams showing the most interest in him.

You have to have a competent front office even more so when you are a small market team. We haven't had that in some time. Hopefully Cronin is better than the car salesman, but it hasn't looked good so far.
 
TBpup said:
The point was, they built....and let it play out. There was no rush, no 2-3 year window they were trying to jam a title run into. They built what they had, got lucky with Jokic, then added pieces around him. Portland could have had Gordon and Brown, but Brown was told "he wouldn't play there" where it seems he was referring to Portland as we were one of the two teams showing the most interest in him.

You have to have a competent front office even more so when you are a small market team. We haven't had that in some time. Hopefully Cronin is better than the car salesman, but it hasn't looked good so far.
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A lot easier to be patient when you drafted the best player on the planet. Other than that, i get what you're saying.
 
TBpup said:
Of course it is. I'm just asking what so many fans think Portland is REbuilding from. That was the biggest point of the post.
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I take it to mean the various Dame, CJ iterations that Olshey put out to waste Dame’s prime. They weren’t contenders, but even low-end housing has to get rebuilt when it reaches its pull date.
 
Well now that Beals gone might be more likely they flip KP soon or at the draft. What about brining in KP and DeRozen? The thing I like about these guys is we could still keep #3. Probably can get our pick back from Chicago plus one more too. No long salary commitments if it flops. Sign Naz Reid or Bruce Brown for the MLE.

Dame Mays
Sharpe (Scoot or Miller)
DeRozen Thybulle
Grant Warford
Porzingis Reid

Might need a final trade to contend, but pick up picks for Ant if we need that additional trade, have vets to win now, but also have elite SharpeScoot or SharpeMiller duo for the future. Might even be enough if Embiid/Giannis eventually are available.
 
This is by far the most ridiculous trade rumor I've heard to date with the #3 pick. Why not just add Dame, Sharpe, and Ant as well if someone going to suggest a fever dream trade?
 
tykendo said:
I agree. I still think Christian Wood is a talented center who can rebound and score in many ways. Next to Zion and Grant , i could see his defense getting better. I doubt he makes more than 8 to 10 mil. max next year.
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Brook Lpez is my choice.
 
After looking at the Beal trade, it appears that Portland could have Porzingis for nothing if they just had some big expiring contracts or could figure a way to route Nurkic to another team.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
After looking at the Beal trade, it appears that Portland could have Porzingis for nothing if they just had some big expiring contracts or could figure a way to route Nurkic to another team.
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Yeah, Porzingis was traded for basically nothing back at the deadline from Dallas, so I'd think we could've acquired him then or yes still could now for very little cost.

Blazers have much less flexibility to add talent as you note since Cronin took over and we pocketed cash savings in trades or letting guys walk, exceptions expire.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
After looking at the Beal trade, it appears that Portland could have Porzingis for nothing if they just had some big expiring contracts or could figure a way to route Nurkic to another team.
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too big a differential in salary between KP vs Nurkic+filler

besides that, one big reason I'd like the Blazers to move on for Nurkic is that he can't stay healthy; he's simply not dependable. Porzingis has major problems staying health, just like Nurkic. He's a better scorer for sure, and probably a defender than Nurk, but he's another injury-magnet big and he 20M/year more expensive than Nurk.
 
tykendo said:
Then what, every other team should just concede it to the Nuggets from here out? That's why they play the game. Another team can get on a roll and win . The Blazers did it in '77. How many GM's would have picked that Blazers team to win it all before that season?
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If this year taught us anything, it’d that you CAN’T just suck all year , get on a roll, and then ride a 7/8 seed to the championship.
 
tykendo said:
Jokic was an outlier pick in the second round. Literally lightning in a bottle. The Blazers are more likely to be Sacramento, rebuilding for 16 years than catching that lightning. Especially Portland. Even if some of those picks pan out, what's the real chance they stay? 10%. We are a great basketball city. But that's not always what turns young millionaires on. Bright lights and big city are more of a lure to leave, than stay.
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We’ve already caught that lightening! We have Sharpe & the 3rd pick in a 3 player draft.
 
e_blazer said:
You were a fan through the 2006-2007 rebuild, right? Great assets, far better than what Cronin has available currently. Aldridge, Roy, and Oden looked to be a sure path to long term contention. Obviously, two bad sets of knees put an end to that dream.

There’s no certainty that a full rebuild will work. After years and years of rebuilding, the TWolves are no closer to contending and the Kings are only a fringe contender.
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So don’t try? Better example is OKC drafting KD, RD, and Harden in 3 straight drafts and getting to the Finals 3 years later. They just fucked up trading Harden.
 
TBpup said:
Of course there is no guarantee, but if we manage things like the Kings did, then we only have ourselves to blame.

What I don't understand, is all this talk of years of rebuilding......like we are actually rebuilding from something. 137-173 in the last 4 seasons. We haven't done a damn thing in years! This is just building. 'Re', give the impression we were impressive somewhere along the way recently, and want to return to that level. We haven't been a legit contender in over 20 years.

There is no 'Re'. It's just building. Wish that weren't the case, but sadly it is.
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We won 3 playoff games in that time. And then we purposely tanked the next two years.
 
KingSpeed said:
So don’t try? Better example is OKC drafting KD, RD, and Harden in 3 straight drafts and getting to the Finals 3 years later. They just fucked up trading Harden.
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The problem wasn't' so much trading Harden. It was that they traded Harden for a steaming pile of garbage.
 
KingSpeed said:
So don’t try? Better example is OKC drafting KD, RD, and Harden in 3 straight drafts and getting to the Finals 3 years later. They just fucked up trading Harden.
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Of course not. Just pointing out that there's no more reason to believe that building a contender through the draft is going to be successful than there is through rebuilding around Dame.
 
e_blazer said:
Just pointing out that there's no more reason to believe that building a contender through the draft is going to be successful than there is through rebuilding around Dame.
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Disagree. Building a contender isn't usually something that can be done in a matter of a couple seasons, unless you're able to attract superstars through free agency (which we do not.)

Boston (KG/Ray/Pierce)
Miami (Wade/LeBron/Bosh)
Lakers (LeBron/AD)
Cleveland (drafted Kyrie/signed LeBron/traded for Love)

It's funny because three of those four teams had LeBron... so we just need to get LeBron. Boston is really our best hope for a template, but I don't think we have the resources to go get a KG and Ray Allen.

The other teams took years to build.

Golden State (drafted Curry/Klay/Draymond)
Nuggets (drafted Jokic/Murray/MPJ)
Spurs (drafted Duncan/Parker/Manu)
Bucks (drafted Giannis and traded for Jrue and Middleton)
 
KingSpeed said:
If this year taught us anything, it’d that you CAN’T just suck all year , get on a roll, and then ride a 7/8 seed to the championship.
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History has shown you can get to the championship as an 8th seed, Miami just did it. Winning it will happen by a team at some point (cus they kept the hot streak going) but not saying it will be POR.
 
KeepOnRollin said:
History has shown you can get to the championship as an 8th seed, Miami just did it. Winning it will happen by a team at some point (cus they kept the hot streak going) but not saying it will be POR.
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They got to the Finals.... twice now actually..... and then got completely outclassed by the team from the west. It wasn't even remotely close. It reminds me of when we made that run in 2019. We got past a dysfunctional Thunder team that was arguably more talented but was lacking in chemistry (sounds like Boston this year) and we got past an inexperienced Nuggets team, but we got completely exposed against Golden State. Miami has a better roster than we do. Butler/Bam is a better foundation than Dame/Grant.

So yes, sometimes the stars align and you can make a deep run, but eventually you will most likely run into a team that isn't hurt or isn't playing below their potential.
 
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